SE should revert to 3-5-2
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SE should revert to 3-5-2
[1] Madagascar studied us well and put pressure on our defense. Both goals were scored when we made back passes. Our defenders and goalkeepers are not comfotable on the ball. We conceded free a kick in the second after losing possession. Balogun is not comfortable on the ball. Both Ezenwa and Akpeyi are also not comfortable.
[2] Our natural fullbacks are not available. Because of this the attack relies heavily on the wingers. Aina is trying but being right footed he does not provide any width on the left and tends to cut in. Awaziem is a center back and does not offer much going forward.
[3] We have not creativity in central midfield and Ogu is as much to blame for that goal as Balogun.
[4] We need to revert to 3-5-2. It is the most effective formation given the kind of players we have in the tournament. It was also more effective at the world cup.
[5] We are struggling to score goals and need to commit more men forward.
If Collins comes back we can play,
Akpeyi
Awaziem Emeruo Ekong
Moses/Kalu Ndidi Etebo Collins/Aina
Iwobi
Onyekuru/Musa/Osihmen Ighalo
[2] Our natural fullbacks are not available. Because of this the attack relies heavily on the wingers. Aina is trying but being right footed he does not provide any width on the left and tends to cut in. Awaziem is a center back and does not offer much going forward.
[3] We have not creativity in central midfield and Ogu is as much to blame for that goal as Balogun.
[4] We need to revert to 3-5-2. It is the most effective formation given the kind of players we have in the tournament. It was also more effective at the world cup.
[5] We are struggling to score goals and need to commit more men forward.
If Collins comes back we can play,
Akpeyi
Awaziem Emeruo Ekong
Moses/Kalu Ndidi Etebo Collins/Aina
Iwobi
Onyekuru/Musa/Osihmen Ighalo
Re: SE should revert to 3-5-2
the team that was apparent was that the team could not pass their way of the back. This is where Mike is needed
Re: SE should revert to 3-5-2
Yes the 3-5-2 allows a better midfield-attack transition but you need to also maintain a high press as for example what England did to us in the friendly. Then you will get lots of opportunities to score. But I wouldnt play Aina as the wide player. I would play a natural winger like Chukwueze and play Aina as one of the Central Backs (he is very good at cutting out attacks). I would play Kalu on the other side because he is faster than Moses Simon. Another option might even be to swap Musa and Chukwueze and see what Chukwueze can do dribbling wise in that space as a striker.
OPTION A:
------------- Omeruo ----- Ekong ------- Aina -------
---------------- Ndidi ------------ Etebo ----------------
--- Kalu ------------ Iwobi ------------ Chuwkueze -----
---------------- Ighalo ---------- Musa ------------------
OPTION B:
------------- Omeruo ----- Ekong ------- Aina -------
---------------- Ndidi ------------ Etebo ----------------
--- Kalu ------------ Iwobi ------------ Musa -----------
---------------- Ighalo ---------- Chukwueze -----------
OPTION A:
------------- Omeruo ----- Ekong ------- Aina -------
---------------- Ndidi ------------ Etebo ----------------
--- Kalu ------------ Iwobi ------------ Chuwkueze -----
---------------- Ighalo ---------- Musa ------------------
OPTION B:
------------- Omeruo ----- Ekong ------- Aina -------
---------------- Ndidi ------------ Etebo ----------------
--- Kalu ------------ Iwobi ------------ Musa -----------
---------------- Ighalo ---------- Chukwueze -----------
Re: SE should revert to 3-5-2
Mikel plays but out of the back. As bad as Mikel was, he actually game SE some shape upfront
Re: SE should revert to 3-5-2
Same personnel?
Look, putting Ogogoro in a Hennesy bottle does not improve the quality
Look, putting Ogogoro in a Hennesy bottle does not improve the quality
Nwabali -- Aina, Bassey, TroostEkong, Sanusi --- Chukwueze, Aribo, Ndidi, Iwobi --- Osimhem, Sadiq Umar
Re: SE should revert to 3-5-2
Rawlings wrote:Same personnel?
Look, putting Ogogoro in a Hennesy bottle does not improve the quality
Re: SE should revert to 3-5-2
Ighalo has to go
Re: SE should revert to 3-5-2
We don't have the personnel (mainly the wing-backs) to play 3-5-2. We had Ebuehi and Moses but not anymore. How quickly have we forgotten that Aina is poor when playing in 3-5-2 system? Same for Idowu who is not here. I am not sure about Collins.
It was obvious from the world cup that we didn't have the right attacking mix. And it has gotten worse with Victor Moses retiring and the decline in form of Mikel, Ighalo and Simon Moses. And sadly, Iwobi has not improved in his creative midfield role.
We might have a chance against Ghana or Cameroon but Egypt will be a tall order for these boys. We need a new coach and a rebuild upfront - wide midfielders, creative CM, strikers. Unfortunately, we only have one potentially great player in Chukwueze. The other young and upcoming players like Kalu, Simon, Onyekuru, Onuachu are very average players compared to what is needed to win tournaments. And going by the recent eyesore and failure of the U20 at the WC, the younger ones are even worse.
It was obvious from the world cup that we didn't have the right attacking mix. And it has gotten worse with Victor Moses retiring and the decline in form of Mikel, Ighalo and Simon Moses. And sadly, Iwobi has not improved in his creative midfield role.
We might have a chance against Ghana or Cameroon but Egypt will be a tall order for these boys. We need a new coach and a rebuild upfront - wide midfielders, creative CM, strikers. Unfortunately, we only have one potentially great player in Chukwueze. The other young and upcoming players like Kalu, Simon, Onyekuru, Onuachu are very average players compared to what is needed to win tournaments. And going by the recent eyesore and failure of the U20 at the WC, the younger ones are even worse.
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Re: SE should revert to 3-5-2
So pretty much Nigeria football is doomed
Re: SE should revert to 3-5-2
But it may improve potency!
Rawlings wrote:Same personnel?
Look, putting Ogogoro in a Hennesy bottle does not improve the quality
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Chei! I go die-oo!Rawlings wrote:Same personnel?
Look, putting Ogogoro in a Hennesy bottle does not improve the quality
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Re: SE should revert to 3-5-2
Have you seen the 2019 ANC version of Mikel?? Um the man has no business on the field.ANC wrote:the team that was apparent was that the team could not pass their way of the back. This is where Mike is needed
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Re: SE should revert to 3-5-2
I will replace Kalu with Moses Simon but I like both of your line-ups. The coach has to shake something up. The current formation is not creating any chances at all.kali wrote:Yes the 3-5-2 allows a better midfield-attack transition but you need to also maintain a high press as for example what England did to us in the friendly. Then you will get lots of opportunities to score. But I wouldnt play Aina as the wide player. I would play a natural winger like Chukwueze and play Aina as one of the Central Backs (he is very good at cutting out attacks). I would play Kalu on the other side because he is faster than Moses Simon. Another option might even be to swap Musa and Chukwueze and see what Chukwueze can do dribbling wise in that space as a striker.
OPTION A:
------------- Omeruo ----- Ekong ------- Aina -------
---------------- Ndidi ------------ Etebo ----------------
--- Kalu ------------ Iwobi ------------ Chuwkueze -----
---------------- Ighalo ---------- Musa ------------------
OPTION B:
------------- Omeruo ----- Ekong ------- Aina -------
---------------- Ndidi ------------ Etebo ----------------
--- Kalu ------------ Iwobi ------------ Musa -----------
---------------- Ighalo ---------- Chukwueze -----------
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Re: SE should revert to 3-5-2
If you understand football, you will know that 352 is not a viable option for the personnel on hand. Our best bet is 433. Also, Aina should be swaped over to his natural RB position to provide width and stretch the defense on the right. If Colins isn't fit, we will manage any solid defender at left back.
Iwobi has done F-All in 3 games with zero output. He can do better and needs to pull up his big boy pants and show the fcuuk up as he's the missing link to complement Ndidi and Etebo in the middle.
As the wingers go, for me they're all on the same or similar levels. Pick any 2 and we will manage them. When they get tired or prove ineffective, replace with fresh legs in a timely manner.
Striker upfront: we have to manage Ighalo. He's far from the best but other options have one K-leg or another so he edges them based on experience.
2 CBs are Kenneth & Balogun with Akpeyi back in goal for better or worse.
This is the reality of our situation. The good thing from losing 0-2 to mighty Madagascar is I have adjusted my expectation to face the reality of our situation which ranges anywhere from crashing out in the second round to potentially wining the ANC. Anything can happen but the likelihood of the best case deal happening is not looking firm at this moment.
Iwobi has done F-All in 3 games with zero output. He can do better and needs to pull up his big boy pants and show the fcuuk up as he's the missing link to complement Ndidi and Etebo in the middle.
As the wingers go, for me they're all on the same or similar levels. Pick any 2 and we will manage them. When they get tired or prove ineffective, replace with fresh legs in a timely manner.
Striker upfront: we have to manage Ighalo. He's far from the best but other options have one K-leg or another so he edges them based on experience.
2 CBs are Kenneth & Balogun with Akpeyi back in goal for better or worse.
This is the reality of our situation. The good thing from losing 0-2 to mighty Madagascar is I have adjusted my expectation to face the reality of our situation which ranges anywhere from crashing out in the second round to potentially wining the ANC. Anything can happen but the likelihood of the best case deal happening is not looking firm at this moment.
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KPOM!green4life wrote:If you understand football, you will know that 352 is not a viable option for the personnel on hand. Our best bet is 433. Also, Aina should be swaped over to his natural RB position to provide width and stretch the defense on the right. If Colins isn't fit, we will manage any solid defender at left back.
Iwobi has done F-All in 3 games with zero output. He can do better and needs to pull up his big boy pants and show the fcuuk up as he's the missing link to complement Ndidi and Etebo in the middle.
As the wingers go, for me they're all on the same or similar levels. Pick any 2 and we will manage them. When they get tired or prove ineffective, replace with fresh legs in a timely manner.
Striker upfront: we have to manage Ighalo. He's far from the best but other options have one K-leg or another so he edges them based on experience.
2 CBs are Kenneth & Balogun with Akpeyi back in goal for better or worse.
This is the reality of our situation. The good thing from losing 0-2 to mighty Madagascar is I have adjusted my expectation to face the reality of our situation which ranges anywhere from crashing out in the second round to potentially wining the ANC. Anything can happen but the likelihood of the best case deal happening is not looking firm at this moment.
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Re: SE should revert to 3-5-2
Aina plays that role for his club at times. I’ve seen Kalu also play that role. We have the personnel, now left for Rorh to grow a pair.
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Re: SE should revert to 3-5-2
Nah. We don't need 352 which happens to be a defensive/ counter attacking set up that requires a lot of practice and discipline to execute. We can barely score as it is but folks want us to replace an attacking player with a 5th defender abi?okidoki wrote:Aina plays that role for his club at times. I’ve seen Kalu also play that role. We have the personnel, now left for Rorh to grow a pair.
Our boys are high on mobility, energy and skill. This team should defend from the front either full field press or from the half way line once the opponent enters our half. The problem we are having on the attacking phase is ineffective/ inconsistent contribution from the full backs. The RB position is virtually non-existent when it comes to joining the attack (a la Azpilcueta @Chelsea): Awaziem hardly pushes up to overlap the attacking play and provide a wide option and it kills/ slows down attacks as we have to fill that void with a midfielder or force the pass through the congested middle - none of the options being ideal. Aina overlaps but cuts into his stronger right foot which negates the idea of stretching the width of the pitch so he too becomes easier to mark. Aina should switch to RB and find a suitable defender to play LB (half bread is better than none). If the 2 FBs fill those wide areas, our midfielders will have more space in the middle to work with. The answer isn't wing-backs. It's fullbacks in a 433.
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Yes 3-5-2 is Nigerias best option. I recall Brazil switching to that formation in 2002 after playing all sorts of crazy formations to accommodate three forwards Rivaldo, Ronaldo and Ronaldinho and a leaky defence. They went with essentially a 5 man attack Roberto Carlos and Cafu on the wings and Ronaldinho playing attacking midfielder behind a twin attack of Ronaldo and Rivaldo. What made it work was Gilberto Silva and Kleberson who held forth in the middle and Lucio, Edmilson and Roque Jr who swept everything up at the back. Teams never exploited Brazils wings bc their wingers got back.
That imagination is what Nigeria needs. Kalu and Chukwueze wide and Iwobi in the center. Put Ighalo and Musa up top. Good things will happen. Both Kalu, Musa and Chukwueze have stamina and can get up and down the wings. Moses Simon not so.much as too is Aina.
That imagination is what Nigeria needs. Kalu and Chukwueze wide and Iwobi in the center. Put Ighalo and Musa up top. Good things will happen. Both Kalu, Musa and Chukwueze have stamina and can get up and down the wings. Moses Simon not so.much as too is Aina.
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Nigeria do not have decent wing backs. Aina is not a great wing back. But it has solid central backs, DMs and good wingers. Playing 4 at the back is a waste. I say replace that with 3 and put 2 strikers up front. Worst that can happen? Players use Nigerian wings to.attack. But guess who is waiting in the box? 5 defenders.green4life wrote:Nah. We don't need 352 which happens to be a defensive/ counter attacking set up that requires a lot of practice and discipline to execute. We can barely score as it is but folks want us to replace an attacking player with a 5th defender abi?okidoki wrote:Aina plays that role for his club at times. I’ve seen Kalu also play that role. We have the personnel, now left for Rorh to grow a pair.
Our boys are high on mobility, energy and skill. This team should defend from the front either full field press or from the half way line once the opponent enters our half. The problem we are having on the attacking phase is ineffective/ inconsistent contribution from the full backs. The RB position is virtually non-existent when it comes to joining the attack (a la Azpilcueta @Chelsea): Awaziem hardly pushes up to overlap the attacking play and provide a wide option and it kills/ slows down attacks as we have to fill that void with a midfielder or force the pass through the congested middle - none of the options being ideal. Aina overlaps but cuts into his stronger right foot which negates the idea of stretching the width of the pitch so he too becomes easier to mark. Aina should switch to RB and find a suitable defender to play LB (half bread is better than none). If the 2 FBs fill those wide areas, our midfielders will have more space in the middle to work with. The answer isn't wing-backs. It's fullbacks in a 433.
In attack 5 will break down the most resolute defense and create more scoring chances.
Re: SE should revert to 3-5-2
I noticed everyone is dropping Balogun from his line up. Perhaps I should remind everyone that our best defensive performance so far in this tournament was the Guinea game when he paired with Omeruo. I would start with the back 4 of Awaziem, Omeruo, Balogun, and Aina. We don't have the quality to play only 3 defenders. That would be a recipe for disaster!
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Your understanding is misplaced. 352 uses 5 defenders and not 3. The wing backs ARE defenders who should have the mobility to exploit the wide areas & return to defend. Moses excelled at it because he was trained for the role by Conte (who is a disciple of 352) and played it non-stop for 2 seasons at the highest level. Thinking that we can simply toss out chukwuezi, Kalu, Simon, etc to play wing-back is a recipe for disaster because they have to be on point with filling their gaps defensively and offensively plus understanding how to set the all important offside trap. That's why they should stick with fullbacks and put in the work on the pitch to improve what they've been working with from jump (minus a couple WC games that didn't work out for us).kali wrote:Nigeria do not have decent wing backs. Aina is not a great wing back. But it has solid central backs, DMs and good wingers. Playing 4 at the back is a waste. I say replace that with 3 and put 2 strikers up front. Worst that can happen? Players use Nigerian wings to.attack. But guess who is waiting in the box? 5 defenders.green4life wrote:Nah. We don't need 352 which happens to be a defensive/ counter attacking set up that requires a lot of practice and discipline to execute. We can barely score as it is but folks want us to replace an attacking player with a 5th defender abi?okidoki wrote:Aina plays that role for his club at times. I’ve seen Kalu also play that role. We have the personnel, now left for Rorh to grow a pair.
Our boys are high on mobility, energy and skill. This team should defend from the front either full field press or from the half way line once the opponent enters our half. The problem we are having on the attacking phase is ineffective/ inconsistent contribution from the full backs. The RB position is virtually non-existent when it comes to joining the attack (a la Azpilcueta @Chelsea): Awaziem hardly pushes up to overlap the attacking play and provide a wide option and it kills/ slows down attacks as we have to fill that void with a midfielder or force the pass through the congested middle - none of the options being ideal. Aina overlaps but cuts into his stronger right foot which negates the idea of stretching the width of the pitch so he too becomes easier to mark. Aina should switch to RB and find a suitable defender to play LB (half bread is better than none). If the 2 FBs fill those wide areas, our midfielders will have more space in the middle to work with. The answer isn't wing-backs. It's fullbacks in a 433.
In attack 5 will break down the most resolute defense and create more scoring chances.
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Re: SE should revert to 3-5-2
Kenneth + Balogun for me.1naija wrote:I noticed everyone is dropping Balogun from his line up. Perhaps I should remind everyone that our best defensive performance so far in this tournament was the Guinea game when he paired with Omeruo. I would start with the back 4 of Awaziem, Omeruo, Balogun, and Aina. We don't the quality to play only 3 defenders. That would be a recipe for disaster!
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3-5-2 is a more defensive formation and it did not work at the Worldcup. If you have to play three CD then maybe your CDs are not good enough.