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PostPosted: Sat Jun 05, 2010 5:39 pm 
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I've voraciously read up everything I can about Mikel's withdrawal, and I have to say that Ideye's position is in great doubt.

FIFA rules permit replacement of any player within the 23 by anyone provided that the player is found to be injured by a FIFA doctor without hope of recovery before July 11.

But it is clear that Mikel was afraid of ending his career like Amokachi, and that in consultation with the agent John Shittu he decided to withdraw 48 hours BEFORE the Chelsea doctor was due to arrive to review his knee.

FIFA can certainly accept his withdrawal, but under their own rules his eligibility to be replaced looks highly doubtful.

I find the whole incident depressing. This is not a 14 day Nations Cup but a four week tournament, and the knockout stage is still three weeks away. I'm unconvinced that this was the right moment to withdraw.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 05, 2010 5:40 pm 
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When are North Korea pulling out?

When will FIFA announce Ireland as their replacement?

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 05, 2010 5:43 pm 
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I came to this thread for hope, only to find musings. :?


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 05, 2010 5:52 pm 
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DCF, where do u pull ur stories from? Obviously not from the "Tribune".

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 05, 2010 5:53 pm 
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Drake wrote:
I came to this thread for hope, only to find musings. :?

There's always hope.

We still have three defensive midfielders of high quality.

And more to the point, Lukman Haruna has the potential to be a better attacking midfielder than Mikel ever will be, but we have a deeply conservative coach who was likely to use him from the bench. Now Lagerback's only alternative to Haruna is Kalu Uche, so Haruna is likely to play a far bigger role.

Successful World Cup teams only use around 18 of their 23 players. That equates to our starters plus Yakubu, Martins, Kalu Uche, Nsofor, Etuhu, Echiejile and Yobo, so it's still do-able. Just.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 05, 2010 5:57 pm 
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I pulled this story from reading the rules on FIFA's website, which specifies that a FIFA doctor must examine the player and clear his withdrawal and replacement.

And from the reports everywhere that Mikel himself elected to leave, two days before the Chelsea doctor was due to arrive.

I suspect that Lagerback and the NFF haven't read those rules allowing replacements from outside the 23,because there would be several better replacements for a central midfielder than Brown, such as Ajilore or even the fit-again Obodo.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 05, 2010 6:00 pm 
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DCF1 why do you like chatting shite ?..... :?

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DCF1 why do you like chatting shite ?..... :?

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 05, 2010 6:05 pm 
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dcf1, where do you get these tiresome ideas from? I don't see FIFA intervening in this.Clearly Mikel would not withdraw if fully fit, whether he is partly fit or will be fit later on in the tournament, your guess is good as mine. I don't see FIFA forcing someone who is partly fit on a team.As to the choice of Ideye, Nigeria can replace Mikel with whomever they wish but Lagerback had committed himself to one of the 7 that were dropped when the final 23 were picked. It is also unlikely that anyone not the the preliminary 30 would be anywhere close to fitness at this time.

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dcf1 wrote:
I've voraciously read up everything I can about Mikel's withdrawal, and I have to say that Ideye's position is in great doubt.

FIFA rules permit replacement of any player within the 23 by anyone provided that the player is found to be injured by a FIFA doctor without hope of recovery before July 11.

But it is clear that Mikel was afraid of ending his career like Amokachi, and that in consultation with the agent John Shittu he decided to withdraw 48 hours BEFORE the Chelsea doctor was due to arrive to review his knee.

FIFA can certainly accept his withdrawal, but under their own rules his eligibility to be replaced looks highly doubtful.

I find the whole incident depressing. This is not a 14 day Nations Cup but a four week tournament, and the knockout stage is still three weeks away. I'm unconvinced that this was the right moment to withdraw.
...if administration can fcvvuk up, players and agents can too :???:


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DCF1 why do you like chatting shite ?..... :?



When you open shalanga, na weting go come out? :tic: :sneaky:

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 05, 2010 7:30 pm 
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Eagle Winged wrote:
When are North Korea pulling out?

When will FIFA announce Ireland as their replacement?


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 05, 2010 7:36 pm 
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Did Rio meet with Fifa's doctors first before he was withdrawn from the England team and Dawson called up to replace him?

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 05, 2010 7:36 pm 
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dcf1 wrote:
Drake wrote:
I came to this thread for hope, only to find musings. :?

There's always hope.

We still have three defensive midfielders of high quality.

And more to the point, Lukman Haruna has the potential to be a better attacking midfielder than Mikel ever will be, but we have a deeply conservative coach who was likely to use him from the bench. Now Lagerback's only alternative to Haruna is Kalu Uche, so Haruna is likely to play a far bigger role.

Successful World Cup teams only use around 18 of their 23 players. That equates to our starters plus Yakubu, Martins, Kalu Uche, Nsofor, Etuhu, Echiejile and Yobo, so it's still do-able. Just.

Lars Largerback has never used Kalu Uche in the midfield role in the 2 friendlies He has handled; I think Haruna is going to be a starter.I hope He won't be overwhelmed sha


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DCF1 why do you like chatting shite ?..... :?



When you open shalanga, na weting go come out? :tic: :sneaky:

:rotf: :rotf: This is the same dunce that told us we should be preparing for the match against Uruguay when we had not even prepared for the matches against our teams in our group

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 12:17 am 
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DCF1, when quoting from the FIFA Policy Documents, please be sure to provide links to the document or quote the document verbatim.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 1:29 am 
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DCF1 is a funny guy

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 1:44 am 
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Dcf1 talks a lot of rubbish.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 2:08 am 
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I wonder what part of dcf1's brain lights up when he confabulates. Dude, if you are ever in Boston let me know, I know a couple of guys who could use you as subject to define precisely what parts of the brain are used for making up stories that are not true. Get a hold of yourself man, you imagine too much but for too little effect.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 7:24 am 
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DCF1,
dont mind all this haterz jare keep doing your thing, if those in our country look at all their options when taking decisions also and also read the rules we wont have NFA chariman saying he is not aware of an head to head rule.

Ignorance is bliss for most people dont let them discourage you

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 10:47 am 
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http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/tournam ... halt_e.pdf

Here are the rules for the WC. I will not bother giving the chapters or pages that govern player withdrawals because of those who have abused, insulted and belittled DCFI. :curse: :curse:

What I find reprehensible is those who have not done homework attacking DCF1, who has clearly done his homework and is trying to educate. Why call the guy names? The guy has gone and read the rules, he has given us his version of what he has read, what does he get for his trouble, some are giving him grief. :mad: :mad:

DCF1. Thanks for your thread, at least it will educate as to the rules of this competition. With regard to Obi's withdrawal, you are spot on with your conclusion. Here is the relevant section:

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A player listed on the final list may only be replaced in the event of serious
injury up until 24 hours before the kick-off of his team’s fi rst match. The
replacement players do not need to be limited to the release list of 30 players.
Such replacements must be approved in writing by the FIFA Medical Committee
upon receipt and acceptance of a detailed medical assessment in one of the
four offi cial FIFA languages. The FIFA Medical Committee will approve the
request if the injury is suffi ciently serious to prevent the player from taking part
in the competition. The participating member association shall inform FIFA
accordingly of the player’s full details (cf. art. 26, par. 4) at the same time as
when submitting the request to replace the injured player.


However, you seem to be supposing we have not met the rules as required by FIFA because of the reports stating Obi withdrew on advice from his agent Shittu and his withdrawal has not met with a FIFA medical inspection and clearance. If this is the situation, then you have a point when you say, Ideye Brown's call up could be against the rules and we run the risk of him being excluded by FIFA. But I do not think this is the case because we have no evidence so far to back to up. This is why I am of the view that it is all supposition until we are furnished with the facts. As much as I cannot eliminate this possibility that the rules have not been adhered to by our bungling and inept administrators, my view is we suppose the corrupt thieving *kindpeople* that run our football have done things properly this time around.

Do not get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with your position and you have every right to express your fears, even if many here do not like it. I just hope you are not put off by these people and continue to express your views and opinion.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 11:09 am 
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Why am i not surprised, you guys just like to open ya mouth anyhow acting like you guys are part of some kind of special football committee, abeg make una go rest jor.... :sneaky:

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 11:16 am 
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dcf1 wrote:
I've voraciously read up everything I can about Mikel's withdrawal, and I have to say that Ideye's position is in great doubt.

FIFA rules permit replacement of any player within the 23 by anyone provided that the player is found to be injured by a FIFA doctor without hope of recovery before July 11.

But it is clear that Mikel was afraid of ending his career like Amokachi, and that in consultation with the agent John Shittu he decided to withdraw 48 hours BEFORE the Chelsea doctor was due to arrive to review his knee.

FIFA can certainly accept his withdrawal, but under their own rules his eligibility to be replaced looks highly doubtful.

I find the whole incident depressing. This is not a 14 day Nations Cup but a four week tournament, and the knockout stage is still three weeks away. I'm unconvinced that this was the right moment to withdraw.


providing a link will be more appreciated...what you have provided here are your own summations not facts....mikel is out of the WC that is a fact.

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