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All this hating. I think a lot of fans on CE should grow up. As painful and horrible the elimination is, I don't think any of the players deliberately played badly. Those of us who have played football (at any level) know that sometimes you miss sitters, sometimes you commit stupid mistakes and sometimes you are out of form. Turning this into a Yakubu-hate session, a Kaita die-session, a Lagerback dumping session etc etc highlights the uselessness of discussion and the downfall of the forum which has been taken over by nonsense, 'emotional' posts. Sifting through posts to find any decent and objective analysis has become mission impossible. I think this is my first post during the whole of the World Cup.
Yakubu has served Nigeria very well during his time in SE. He had a couple of very good games at the World Cup but missed 2 golden chances. Of course, even I would have scored that goal and also my granny but that is neither here nor there. He gave his utmost, ran himself to the ground and won a lot of fouls and kept possession in attack. Kaita had a moment of HUGE folly in an otherwise hardworking campaign where he was often played out of position but played with his heart. Lagerback made some tactical changes to the team, seemed to bring an element of speed which was missing slightly during Amodu's tenure and, of course, I think also committed some crucial mistakes. How many points Amodu would have managed to obtain, and whether he would have qualified the Eagles to the second round is anybody's guess and no-one can seriously predict what would have happened.
The bottom line really is that Nigeria have no world class players in their team. Each player unfortunately has some great strengths but equally great weaknesses. It is very difficult to compete at such a high level. THe only biggest disappointment is that in Group B there was only one world class team so a place in the last 16 was up for grabs.
In the World Cup, especially if you're a weaker team, it is often episodes which will dictate whether you go through or are eliminated. In both crucial games against Greece and Korea, the episodes were clearly against Nigeria and that was its undoing. All this aggro and finger-pointing belies a true understanding of football which is ultimately a GAME.
Yakubu has served Nigeria very well during his time in SE. He had a couple of very good games at the World Cup but missed 2 golden chances. Of course, even I would have scored that goal and also my granny but that is neither here nor there. He gave his utmost, ran himself to the ground and won a lot of fouls and kept possession in attack. Kaita had a moment of HUGE folly in an otherwise hardworking campaign where he was often played out of position but played with his heart. Lagerback made some tactical changes to the team, seemed to bring an element of speed which was missing slightly during Amodu's tenure and, of course, I think also committed some crucial mistakes. How many points Amodu would have managed to obtain, and whether he would have qualified the Eagles to the second round is anybody's guess and no-one can seriously predict what would have happened.
The bottom line really is that Nigeria have no world class players in their team. Each player unfortunately has some great strengths but equally great weaknesses. It is very difficult to compete at such a high level. THe only biggest disappointment is that in Group B there was only one world class team so a place in the last 16 was up for grabs.
In the World Cup, especially if you're a weaker team, it is often episodes which will dictate whether you go through or are eliminated. In both crucial games against Greece and Korea, the episodes were clearly against Nigeria and that was its undoing. All this aggro and finger-pointing belies a true understanding of football which is ultimately a GAME.
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the problem with |SE is not talent. it is passion discipline and lack of team spirit!
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GTFOH there is a talent problem, we only have one player playing at a top team and he didn't make the team, and you want to tell us we don't have a talent problem?globalinksnn wrote:the problem with |SE is not talent. it is passion discipline and lack of team spirit!
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pls i dont agree wit you.
the players we have are enuf to get us to 1/4 finals.
if u review the matches we played you will see we had no business losing to argentina and we should have comfortably won the last two matches
and ofcos our strikers are very wasteful and selfish.
it all boils down to team spirit and work.
no we had our chances to win all the three matches but stupid mistakes and poor decisions killed us.
u dont have to be a coach to know that afolabi is not a flying eagles material.
if shittu could perform then sam sodje and adeleye would have perform.........
this world cup is a bad omen
the referees were not fair on us in all the matches.
the players we have are enuf to get us to 1/4 finals.
if u review the matches we played you will see we had no business losing to argentina and we should have comfortably won the last two matches
and ofcos our strikers are very wasteful and selfish.
it all boils down to team spirit and work.
no we had our chances to win all the three matches but stupid mistakes and poor decisions killed us.
u dont have to be a coach to know that afolabi is not a flying eagles material.
if shittu could perform then sam sodje and adeleye would have perform.........
this world cup is a bad omen
the referees were not fair on us in all the matches.
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Keep burying your head in the sand!globalinksnn wrote:pls i dont agree wit you.
the players we have are enuf to get us to 1/4 finals.
if u review the matches we played you will see we had no business losing to argentina and we should have comfortably won the last two matches
and ofcos our strikers are very wasteful and selfish.
it all boils down to team spirit and work.
no we had our chances to win all the three matches but stupid mistakes and poor decisions killed us.
u dont have to be a coach to know that afolabi is not a flying eagles material.
if shittu could perform then sam sodje and adeleye would have perform.........
this world cup is a bad omen
the referees were not fair on us in all the matches.
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how many of our 94 players were in top teams?maceo4 wrote:GTFOH there is a talent problem, we only have one player playing at a top team and he didn't make the team, and you want to tell us we don't have a talent problem?globalinksnn wrote:the problem with |SE is not talent. it is passion discipline and lack of team spirit!
Didn't Algeria eliminate CIV with all their "top team" players (kolo toure, Drogba, yaya toure, Eboue)
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We've discussed this many a team, they were just breaking out into the scene and after that world cup a good amount of them went to top teams, more than the one that we have now. And back then it was even that much harder for Africans to get top teams, abeg leave talk o, this team has a bunch of bench warmer extraordinaires on it lets call a spade a spade!Molue Conductor wrote:how many of our 94 players were in top teams?maceo4 wrote:GTFOH there is a talent problem, we only have one player playing at a top team and he didn't make the team, and you want to tell us we don't have a talent problem?globalinksnn wrote:the problem with |SE is not talent. it is passion discipline and lack of team spirit!
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There is a talent problem
SE players are not exactly stars in their teams no matter what you are led to believe.
Nsofor, Martins, Obasi etc squander 1 V 1s in club too
So their poor performances sometimes has nothing to do with Nigeria.
We do not have world class players, but with better organisation that would have made ammends.
SE players are not exactly stars in their teams no matter what you are led to believe.
Nsofor, Martins, Obasi etc squander 1 V 1s in club too
So their poor performances sometimes has nothing to do with Nigeria.
We do not have world class players, but with better organisation that would have made ammends.
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All this is crap. Amodu qualified Nigeria, and was ignominously fired.
A loser and fraud was appointed in his place and promised bridges where there are no rivers (the NFF did not issue a statement - HE SAID IT). I am talking about the semi-final target.
He said he would take home-based players (irrelevant because the best players should be picked regardless of where they play) - but he didn't
Justice has been served. Amodu has been vindicated.
All else is shadows and dust.
All Amodu detractors - this is for you. Cheers.
A loser and fraud was appointed in his place and promised bridges where there are no rivers (the NFF did not issue a statement - HE SAID IT). I am talking about the semi-final target.
He said he would take home-based players (irrelevant because the best players should be picked regardless of where they play) - but he didn't
Justice has been served. Amodu has been vindicated.
All else is shadows and dust.
All Amodu detractors - this is for you. Cheers.
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Does Korea and Greece have more talen than us?
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Naijans..Never wrong..Even if rep helped us we fo lose..that team is a care with dents and internal problems all ova.globalinksnn wrote:pls i dont agree wit you.
the players we have are enuf to get us to 1/4 finals.
if u review the matches we played you will see we had no business losing to argentina and we should have comfortably won the last two matches
and ofcos our strikers are very wasteful and selfish.
it all boils down to team spirit and work.
no we had our chances to win all the three matches but stupid mistakes and poor decisions killed us.
u dont have to be a coach to know that afolabi is not a flying eagles material.
if shittu could perform then sam sodje and adeleye would have perform.........
this world cup is a bad omen
the referees were not fair on us in all the matches.
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In some ways, yes, they do. It takes precision and yes talent to do the simple things like defend a lead, make a simple pass, shoot accurately, track back to help, defend set pieces, keep possesion and not miss glaring chances. If you add coaching talent to that, the comparison is rather conclusive.Talk IT wrote:Does Korea and Greece have more talen than us?
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KPOM!!
Enough is enough! Kaita messed up but it's over now, as for Yak....well I'm sure nobody feels as bad as him for missing that sitter.
Enough is enough! Kaita messed up but it's over now, as for Yak....well I'm sure nobody feels as bad as him for missing that sitter.
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Football is a funny old game...if either Yak or Martins had scored, many would be praising the genius of LargeBack and the excellence of both strikers. One wrong bounce, and it is a different story
airwolex wrote:KPOM!!
Enough is enough! Kaita messed up but it's over now, as for Yak....well I'm sure nobody feels as bad as him for missing that sitter.
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Our boys and coach fell short of giving their best and that was our greatest undoing.
We need to re-examine our football philosophy and plan ahead.
It is an embarassment of riches that a country of 150 million people with so many latent football talents is unable to raise 23 players to save us from our current predicament.
What we saw from Yak and co was just a manifestation of the nonchalance our people bring to bear on events and activities that other people take seriously.
We need to re-examine our football philosophy and plan ahead.
It is an embarassment of riches that a country of 150 million people with so many latent football talents is unable to raise 23 players to save us from our current predicament.
What we saw from Yak and co was just a manifestation of the nonchalance our people bring to bear on events and activities that other people take seriously.
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God bless you for been a truth seeker and............................speaker.kulu wrote:All this is crap. Amodu qualified Nigeria, and was ignominously fired.
A loser and fraud was appointed in his place and promised bridges where there are no rivers (the NFF did not issue a statement - HE SAID IT). I am talking about the semi-final target.
He said he would take home-based players (irrelevant because the best players should be picked regardless of where they play) - but he didn't
Justice has been served. Amodu has been vindicated.
All else is shadows and dust.
All Amodu detractors - this is for you. Cheers.
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Mba....Nanijoe. The bounce couldn't have been better for either of those two esp Yak. They missed BUT we have to move on.nanijoe wrote:Football is a funny old game...if either Yak or Martins had scored, many would be praising the genius of LargeBack and the excellence of both strikers. One wrong bounce, and it is a different story
airwolex wrote:KPOM!!
Enough is enough! Kaita messed up but it's over now, as for Yak....well I'm sure nobody feels as bad as him for missing that sitter.
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People keep making this 'lack of talent' excuse and its old and tired!
The vicious nature of the world cup is this: If a team plays as a unit, every player looks great, the European clubs see that and come knocking, voila you have your players set up for even greater individual achievements and your country benefits.
When a team performs like a group of players who'd never met one another before, like SE did, then no matter how talented the individuals are, they will look like pi$$.
Its a team sport, never forget this. When the team is purring, even the so-called worst players look like world-beaters, when a team is playing $hitty like the SE did for 5halfs of this world cup then every single player ends up doing themself a disservice, even Enyeama who everyone was gushing over the first two games ended up looking like rubbish when it was all done, there's no substitute for a team ethos. NONE!
The vicious nature of the world cup is this: If a team plays as a unit, every player looks great, the European clubs see that and come knocking, voila you have your players set up for even greater individual achievements and your country benefits.
When a team performs like a group of players who'd never met one another before, like SE did, then no matter how talented the individuals are, they will look like pi$$.
Its a team sport, never forget this. When the team is purring, even the so-called worst players look like world-beaters, when a team is playing $hitty like the SE did for 5halfs of this world cup then every single player ends up doing themself a disservice, even Enyeama who everyone was gushing over the first two games ended up looking like rubbish when it was all done, there's no substitute for a team ethos. NONE!
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