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PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2015 11:12 pm 
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Players like Maradona, Ronaldo, Canavaro, Iniesta, Xavi, Zidane are leaders, while Messi is not. Messi could perform in a team with a strong leader, but he can't lead a team to sucess at the highest level.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2016 4:29 pm 
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there is a COPA tourney after the European season. Will Messi finally win a senior trophy for Argentina?

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2016 4:35 pm 
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why are you trying to find trouble? leave that man alone.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2016 11:49 am 
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there is a COPA tourney after the European season. Will Messi finally win a senior trophy for Argentina?

You think Copa na club football?Unless he carried Barca to represent Argentina.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:40 am 
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oh well.

nothing changes then.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 9:02 am 
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Dude agrees with BigPokey and has quit international football at the age of 29.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 9:10 am 
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I have said over and over that BP is probably the most stupid guy to ever grace the pages of CE. One would think that he would at least have the basic sense to wait till the tourney end to write off Messi. But he has once again set himself up for egg all over his face

Once again, a note of caution to more sensible folks: Messi is too talented to write off as a failure at NT level. He is the best player in the world by a mile. He is also very young. Maradona was an abject failure at the 82 WC and only made an indelible mark at NT level at the 86 WC.

I have a feeling Argentina will win the Copa btw


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 11:54 am 
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Still the most gifted player of his generation. Argentina should've moved heaven and earth to get Simeone, failing that, Prof Pulis. The latter mastered Spanish along with Portugese during his time in Rio. Pulis armed with that squad, more gold than Spandau Ballet.


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Still the most gifted player of his generation. Argentina should've moved heaven and earth to get Simeone, failing that, Prof Pulis. The latter mastered Spanish along with Portugese during his time in Rio. Pulis armed with that squad, more gold than Spandau Ballet.

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No way. At best he's on par with the other two claimants to the title.

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Kanu never won a Nations Cup and we SE fans don't hold it against him, I'm sure Argentina would do the same.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 2:51 pm 
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Kanu never won a Nations Cup and we SE fans don't hold it against him, I'm sure Argentina would do the same.



Nigerians always LOVED Kanu...always. Even when players like Okocha and Oliseh took heat for skipping games or whatever other shenanigans, Kanu was always loved. Argentina never really cared for Messi. When you've been spoiled with talents including Maradona, you tend to have a more demanding approach to players. He's barely considered one of them. We'll see how it shakes out, I doubt they'll be kind.

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the fake big pokey is a goat Messi is THE GOAT follow along red priestess

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Kanu never won a Nations Cup and we SE fans don't hold it against him, I'm sure Argentina would do the same.

Kanu is a patriot, and we could careless if he ever won AFCON.. he put us up there FACT not feelings

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Kanu never won a Nations Cup and we SE fans don't hold it against him, I'm sure Argentina would do the same.

Kanu is a patriot, and we could careless if he ever won AFCON.. he put us up there FACT not feelings


That's a less fancy way of saying what I just did.


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kalani JR wrote:
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Kanu never won a Nations Cup and we SE fans don't hold it against him, I'm sure Argentina would do the same.

Kanu is a patriot, and we could careless if he ever won AFCON.. he put us up there FACT not feelings


That's a less fancy way of saying what I just did.


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kajifu wrote:
Bigpokey24 wrote:
there is a COPA tourney after the European season. Will Messi finally win a senior trophy for Argentina?

You think Copa na club football?Unless he carried Barca to represent Argentina.

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
Bigpokey take a bow you saw him long time as nothing but club footballer...


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:15 pm 
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kajifu wrote:
kajifu wrote:
Bigpokey24 wrote:
there is a COPA tourney after the European season. Will Messi finally win a senior trophy for Argentina?

You think Copa na club football?Unless he carried Barca to represent Argentina.

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
Bigpokey take a bow you saw him long time as nothing but club footballer...


Messi has achieved a lot for his country. Youth cup, Gold Medal and several appearances in a major cup final. Soccer is a tough team sport and I don't think it is fair to label his International career a failure just because they couldn't complete the task of winning the world cup or Copa. It's extremely hard on the international level to be as consistent as Argentina has been. Before you say the likes of Mikel :dream: have achieved more for their country, I want you to ask yourself this: Has Nigeria beaten an Argentinian team when Messi was playing. How many goals has Messi scored against Nigeria?


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obaGol wrote:
kajifu wrote:
kajifu wrote:
Bigpokey24 wrote:
there is a COPA tourney after the European season. Will Messi finally win a senior trophy for Argentina?

You think Copa na club football?Unless he carried Barca to represent Argentina.

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
Bigpokey take a bow you saw him long time as nothing but club footballer...


Messi has achieved a lot for his country. Youth cup, Gold Medal and several appearances in a major cup final. Soccer is a tough team sport and I don't think it is fair to label his International career a failure just because they couldn't complete the task of winning the world cup or Copa. It's extremely hard on the international level to be as consistent as Argentina has been. Before you say the likes of Mikel :dream: have achieved more for their country, I want you to ask yourself this: Has Nigeria beaten an Argentinian team when Messi was playing. How many goals has Messi scored against Nigeria?

So beating Nigeria, is Messi accolade as world best? What has Messi won in club football, that Mikel is yet to win? Now what has Messi won at senior level repping Argentina?

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 10:22 pm 
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Bigpokey24 wrote:
obaGol wrote:
kajifu wrote:
kajifu wrote:
Bigpokey24 wrote:
there is a COPA tourney after the European season. Will Messi finally win a senior trophy for Argentina?

You think Copa na club football?Unless he carried Barca to represent Argentina.

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
Bigpokey take a bow you saw him long time as nothing but club footballer...


Messi has achieved a lot for his country. Youth cup, Gold Medal and several appearances in a major cup final. Soccer is a tough team sport and I don't think it is fair to label his International career a failure just because they couldn't complete the task of winning the world cup or Copa. It's extremely hard on the international level to be as consistent as Argentina has been. Before you say the likes of Mikel :dream: have achieved more for their country, I want you to ask yourself this: Has Nigeria beaten an Argentinian team when Messi was playing. How many goals has Messi scored against Nigeria?

So beating Nigeria, is Messi accolade as world best? What has Messi won in club football, that Mikel is yet to win? Now what has Messi won at senior level repping Argentina?


Awards https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lionel_Messi#Awards
Ballon d'Or: 2009[381]
FIFA World Player of the Year: 2009[381]
UEFA Club Footballer of the Year: 2009[382]
UEFA Club Forward of the Year: 2009[382]
FIFA Ballon d'Or: 2010, 2011, 2012, 2015[381]
IFFHS World's Best Top Goalscorer: 2011, 2012[383]
IFFHS World's Best Top Division Goalscorer: 2012, 2013[383]
IFFHS World's Best Playmaker: 2015[384]
UEFA Best Player in Europe: 2011, 2015[190]
European Golden Shoe: 2010, 2012, 2013[149]
La Liga Best Player: 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2015[385][386][387]
La Liga Best Forward: 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2015[385][386][387]
La Liga Player of the Month: January 2016[388]
Olimpia de Plata (Argentine Footballer of the Year): 2005, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2015[385][389]
Olimpia de Oro (Argentine Sportsperson of the Year): 2011[385]
FIFA Club World Cup Golden Ball: 2009, 2011[390]
FIFA Club World Cup Silver Ball: 2015[391]
FIFA FIFPro World XI: 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015[393][394]
UEFA Team of the Year: 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2014, 2015[382][395]
La Liga Team of the Year: 2015[396]
AFA Team of All Time (published 2015)[397]
UEFA Goal of the Year: 2007, 2015[385][185]
FIFPro Young World Player of the Year: 2006, 2007, 2008[393]
Golden Boy (Young European Footballer of the Year): 2005[47]


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