Footballer jailed 5 years for Rape

[AreaDaddy]

Chad Evans has been released but his release is proving even more controversial than his jailing. People are fighting to ensure he never returns to the professional game.

I came see people's anger but I think it is misdirected, the anger should should be at the political and judicial system.

[benteke]

Chad Evans has been released but his release is proving even more controversial than his jailing. People are fighting to ensure he never returns to the professional game.

I came see people's anger but I think it is misdirected, the anger should should be at the political and judicial system.

Ched Evans is not doing himself any favours as well,

firstly he seems keen to publicly insist his innocence and that comes across as if he has no remorse, i think he could have handled that better by publicly apologising profusely and admitting he made a very big error in sleeping with a very drunk girl, coz thats all he did if im not mistaken

at this point maybe he should just lie low and maybe even change profession and venture into something else, i wonder what he can do with such a conviction on his record, maybe construction.
but hes gonna be alright, its not the end of the world for him

[Curve whiz]

There are too many bitter and vindictive lunatics in UK. The amount of hounding and lynching of this guy in the British media is so shameful. Why do they want him to apologise when the guy swore he's innocent and his case is on appeal to prove his innocence? Why do they want him to do other jobs and not play football?

Who made them God to determine what job he should do? If 5 years is not enough, why did they not sentence him to 10 years instead? But when someone is out, they should be able to live their lives and have it back, especially considering the grey areas of this case. Some of these busybody lunatics, most probably on benefits, have time on their hands to be signing petitions up and down and bullying every club that want to help him. --->?This is same way these cowards gang up to bully small nations with sanctions.

This angel* Kevin Maguire of Daily Hate Mail just said Ched always put himself in the media...how? Why can 't they just stop writing about him?
If i have Roman's money and own a football club, i will sign him up now just to spite them. Cowards are always joining lynchmobs...this is how they tried to run Dwayne Chambers out of the sport too after he came back from his 4 year ban, but the guy outlived them and still achieved his goals.

[benteke]

There are too many bitter and vindictive lunatics in UK. The amount of hounding and lynching of this guy in the British media is so shameful. Why do they want him to apologise when the guy swore he's innocent and his case is on appeal to prove his innocence? Why do they want him to do other jobs and not play football?

Who made them God to determine what job he should do? If 5 years is not enough, why did they not sentence him to 10 years instead? But when someone is out, they should be able to live their lives and have it back, especially considering the grey areas of this case. Some of these busybody lunatics, most probably on benefits, have time on their hands to be signing petitions up and down and bullying every club that want to help him. --->?This is same way these cowards gang up to bully small nations with sanctions.

This angel* Kevin Maguire of Daily Hate Mail just said Ched always put himself in the media...how? Why can 't they just stop writing about him?
If i have Roman's money and own a football club, i will sign him up now just to spite them. Cowards are always joining lynchmobs...this is how they tried to run Dwayne Chambers out of the sport too after he came back from his 4 year ban, but the guy outlived them and still achieved his goals.

unfortunately thats the way it will contunue going, the more he pleads innocence, the more he keeps trying to get back to football, the more the media will keep feeding into this frenzy, and i can assure you theres plenty of bitter feminists out there who are ready to dedicate all their time making sure Ched Evans never ever enjoys peace again in his life.
i dont know what else Ched can do now, but its not looking good so far, all the sponsors chicken out anytime Ched gets a club.

[wiseone]

I am not aware of any law saying that ex-prisoners are never allowed to return to their former occupations ever again. Lots of armed robbers, rapists, fraudsters, and murderers happily return to former occupations after being released from prison.

[benteke]

I am not aware of any law saying that ex-prisoners are never allowed to return to their former occupations ever again. Lots of armed robbers, rapists, fraudsters, and murderers happily return to former occupations after being released from prison.

each time he gets a club offer, some busybody finds out, alerts media, feminists come out, sponsors threaten to pull out, club does u-turn , back to square one.

thats why i think its better he lie low a bit

[Comrade Machel]

There are too many bitter and vindictive lunatics in UK. The amount of hounding and lynching of this guy in the British media is so shameful. Why do they want him to apologise when the guy swore he's innocent and his case is on appeal to prove his innocence? Why do they want him to do other jobs and not play football?

Who made them God to determine what job he should do? If 5 years is not enough, why did they not sentence him to 10 years instead? But when someone is out, they should be able to live their lives and have it back, especially considering the grey areas of this case. Some of these busybody lunatics, most probably on benefits, have time on their hands to be signing petitions up and down and bullying every club that want to help him. --->?This is same way these cowards gang up to bully small nations with sanctions.

This angel* Kevin Maguire of Daily Hate Mail just said Ched always put himself in the media...how? Why can 't they just stop writing about him?
If i have Roman's money and own a football club, i will sign him up now just to spite them. Cowards are always joining lynchmobs...this is how they tried to run Dwayne Chambers out of the sport too after he came back from his 4 year ban, but the guy outlived them and still achieved his goals.

[Chief Ogbunigwe]

I am not aware of any law saying that ex-prisoners are never allowed to return to their former occupations ever again. Lots of armed robbers, rapists, fraudsters, and murderers happily return to former occupations after being released from prison.

Not in the US. I think a felony conviction leads to losing professional licenses, and potential ineligibility for employment in many fields.

[benteke]

No mention of what the footballers' defence were. It's losers that sleep with a woman that's too drunk beyond measure and indeed, her drink may have been spiked. She may have left with them thinking they were trying to help her. There's a police poster here on trains and buses that says "just because you help her doesn't mean you get to help yourself" and the picture is of a woman being helped in a car outside the club. The account in the article leaves too many holes. Non consensual sex is dangerous, guys beware! Some chics are crazy, they'll call the cops on you.

What if both of them were drunk? who is raping who? What if she actually gave consent but could not remember? A lot of people do not remember what they do in a state of sexual intoxication... Apparently, tue only solution is to have a video camera in your bedroom

Two guys pick up a drunk chic and gangbang her while their friends tried to record it on mobile phones. Goodluck trying to prove innocence to that even if she consented. Did she consent to the videos too?

You've not read the story properly before commenting. She was not with the guys in a bar. One of the guys Clayton McDonald was on his way back way to his hotel room, after a night out, and picked her up outside a food joint.

She got into a taxi with him and went to his hotel room. Why would she follow a single guy that late at night to his hotel room? When they got there according to McDonald she consented to sex and even initiated it. Where things began to go wrong IMO is when he then called his friend Ched Evans to say he's got a "bird" and Evans then joined them at the hotel and had sex with her too while two other guys that came with him were outside trying to film it through a window. If it wasn't for the introduction of these new guys I doubt she was have cried rape after all she followed the first guy voluntarily to his hotel room knowing why they were going there.

This detail is not in the article. But from your account, it still appears there's proven grounds for rape or aiding the act. The girl tends to get the benefit of the doubt in cases like this. Without the full details it's hard to adequately judge. In the heat of the moment, a lot of guys lose their heads especially if she's sexy but it's best to avoid such situations. There are some crazy frauds out there that do this to land guys in trouble.

thats always very dangerous territory to venture into, and nomatter how many times we read of rape accusations, you will still see guys trying to pull this stunt on drunk girls at 3am, we just dont learn at times

[wiseone]

1) Ched Evans lives in England, not the USA.

2) Even in the USA - professional footballers, basketball players, and boxers are not banned for life from their sports for their numerous convictions for wife beating, DWI, assault, rape, illegal dog fighting etc etc.

I am not aware of any law saying that ex-prisoners are never allowed to return to their former occupations ever again. Lots of armed robbers, rapists, fraudsters, and murderers happily return to former occupations after being released from prison.

Not in the US. I think a felony conviction leads to losing professional licenses, and potential ineligibility for employment in many fields.

[benteke]

1) Ched Evans lives in England, not the USA.

2) Even in the USA - professional footballers, basketball players, and boxers are not banned for life from their sports for their numerous convictions for wife beating, DWI, assault, rape, illegal dog fighting etc etc.

I am not aware of any law saying that ex-prisoners are never allowed to return to their former occupations ever again. Lots of armed robbers, rapists, fraudsters, and murderers happily return to former occupations after being released from prison.

Not in the US. I think a felony conviction leads to losing professional licenses, and potential ineligibility for employment in many fields.

with a rape conviction, does he not go into a sex offenders register, which then affects his chances in some fields and professions, i'm not too sure though, something like he has to declare this all the time.

[Chief Ogbunigwe]

1) Ched Evans lives in England, not the USA.

2) Even in the USA - professional footballers, basketball players, and boxers are not banned for life from their sports for their numerous convictions for wife beating, DWI, assault, rape, illegal dog fighting etc etc.

I am not aware of any law saying that ex-prisoners are never allowed to return to their former occupations ever again. Lots of armed robbers, rapists, fraudsters, and murderers happily return to former occupations after being released from prison.

Not in the US. I think a felony conviction leads to losing professional licenses, and potential ineligibility for employment in many fields.

@ #1

[oloye]

I am not aware of any law saying that ex-prisoners are never allowed to return to their former occupations ever again. Lots of armed robbers, rapists, fraudsters, and murderers happily return to former occupations after being released from prison.

One word bad belle..in this part of the world they envy success like anything, especially if you are one of them who broke out of the ranks to succeed. If he was a plumber or some electrician or construction worker no one would care if he goes back to work or not. The bone of contention here is that he has no right to go back and continue to earn mega buck or be successful. That is how they reason in this part of the world and the way of making sure you never leave them behind. There is a lot of badbelle...i fear oyinbo, especially when they appear to be happy for you ..you can just detect in whatever nice words they are saying to you elements of envy..some of them can barely mask it and they would find a way of letting you know.

The guy has served time and deserves another chance ..but not with these bitter people who would rather see him destroyed..not really because of the crime, but because he was fortunate to have a job that took him out of their class.

[wiseone]

Astute points. I do not for one moment condone what he did. The law and judicial system ran its course. It is one thing to condemn him (and people have a right to do so) but the rabid campaign to deny him the right to work again seems bizarre. I do not hear of people saying that convicts should not be allowed to return to their former jobs as drivers, bricklayers, or dental hygienists. If he was in a job where he would be working closely with children or women I would understand the concerns about allowing him to return to his former occupation.

However he is in a job where he will spend 99% of his time around other young men whom he poses zero threat to. It is not as if young women are going to be crossing his path every time he makes a run down the wing.

One word bad belle..in this part of the world they envy success like anything, especially if you are one of them who broke out of the ranks to succeed. If he was a plumber or some electrician or construction worker no one would care if he goes back to work or not. The bone of contention here is that he has no right to go back and continue to earn mega buck or be successful. That is how they reason in this part of the world and the way of making sure you never leave them behind. There is a lot of badbelle...i fear oyinbo, especially when they appear to be happy for you ..you can just detect in whatever nice words they are saying to you elements of envy..some of them can barely mask it and they would find a way of letting you know.

The guy has served time and deserves another chance ..but not with these bitter people who would rather see him destroyed..not really because of the crime, but because he was fortunate to have a job that took him out of their class.

[toyin133]

I am not aware of any law saying that ex-prisoners are never allowed to return to their former occupations ever again. Lots of armed robbers, rapists, fraudsters, and murderers happily return to former occupations after being released from prison.

One word bad belle..in this part of the world they envy success like anything, especially if you are one of them who broke out of the ranks to succeed. If he was a plumber or some electrician or construction worker no one would care if he goes back to work or not. The bone of contention here is that he has no right to go back and continue to earn mega buck or be successful. That is how they reason in this part of the world and the way of making sure you never leave them behind. There is a lot of badbelle...i fear oyinbo, especially when they appear to be happy for you ..you can just detect in whatever nice words they are saying to you elements of envy..some of them can barely mask it and they would find a way of letting you know.

The guy has served time and deserves another chance ..but not with these bitter people who would rather see him destroyed..not really because of the crime, but because he was fortunate to have a job that took him out of their class.

Kpom

[Chief Ogbunigwe]

I am not aware of any law saying that ex-prisoners are never allowed to return to their former occupations ever again. Lots of armed robbers, rapists, fraudsters, and murderers happily return to former occupations after being released from prison.

One word bad belle..in this part of the world they envy success like anything, especially if you are one of them who broke out of the ranks to succeed. If he was a plumber or some electrician or construction worker no one would care if he goes back to work or not. The bone of contention here is that he has no right to go back and continue to earn mega buck or be successful. That is how they reason in this part of the world and the way of making sure you never leave them behind. There is a lot of badbelle...i fear oyinbo, especially when they appear to be happy for you ..you can just detect in whatever nice words they are saying to you elements of envy..some of them can barely mask it and they would find a way of letting you know.

The guy has served time and deserves another chance ..but not with these bitter people who would rather see him destroyed..not really because of the crime, but because he was fortunate to have a job that took him out of their class.

Kpom

Double Kpom.

When the Philadelphia Eagles signed Michael Vick, you would not believe the venom people were spewing, some invoking the name of God and talking about hellfire. For those who do not know, Vick is an NFL quarterback convicted for participating/running a dog-fighting operation. He served prison terms in both State and Federal Prisons for that. After his release, the Eagles signed him....

Thankfully, he became very popular in Philly for being the peacemaker on the team, a mentor for troubled kids, as well as for putting his finances in order (he came back from prison broke and in debt). I read an artictle about how he put himself on a strict budget/allowance for the first 2 yrs while paying his debts.

This was also the point I was making about the US when the OP "snapped" that this was a UK case. I read that felony convictions in the US makes job prospects near zero. Professionals lose their licenses (I think Bill Clinton lost his law License because of the Lewinski saga). I also think convicted felons in the US lose voting rights

[benteke]

I am not aware of any law saying that ex-prisoners are never allowed to return to their former occupations ever again. Lots of armed robbers, rapists, fraudsters, and murderers happily return to former occupations after being released from prison.

One word bad belle..in this part of the world they envy success like anything, especially if you are one of them who broke out of the ranks to succeed. If he was a plumber or some electrician or construction worker no one would care if he goes back to work or not. The bone of contention here is that he has no right to go back and continue to earn mega buck or be successful. That is how they reason in this part of the world and the way of making sure you never leave them behind. There is a lot of badbelle...i fear oyinbo, especially when they appear to be happy for you ..you can just detect in whatever nice words they are saying to you elements of envy..some of them can barely mask it and they would find a way of letting you know.

The guy has served time and deserves another chance ..but not with these bitter people who would rather see him destroyed..not really because of the crime, but because he was fortunate to have a job that took him out of their class.

and this people have time on their hands to see this through

Prime Minister David Cameron has also waded in and warned clubs to think carefully before signing Evans

[Chief Ogbunigwe]

I am not aware of any law saying that ex-prisoners are never allowed to return to their former occupations ever again. Lots of armed robbers, rapists, fraudsters, and murderers happily return to former occupations after being released from prison.

One word bad belle..in this part of the world they envy success like anything, especially if you are one of them who broke out of the ranks to succeed. If he was a plumber or some electrician or construction worker no one would care if he goes back to work or not. The bone of contention here is that he has no right to go back and continue to earn mega buck or be successful. That is how they reason in this part of the world and the way of making sure you never leave them behind. There is a lot of badbelle...i fear oyinbo, especially when they appear to be happy for you ..you can just detect in whatever nice words they are saying to you elements of envy..some of them can barely mask it and they would find a way of letting you know.

The guy has served time and deserves another chance ..but not with these bitter people who would rather see him destroyed..not really because of the crime, but because he was fortunate to have a job that took him out of their class.

and this people have time on their hands to see this through

Prime Minister David Cameron has also waded in and warned clubs to think carefully before signing Evans

Can the guy sue Cameron for trying to deprive him of his means of livelihood AFTER he paid his debt to society? The words of the PM can be quite weighty, you know.

Is Cameron implying that after serving a prison term, the ex-convict is neither rehabilitated nor punished seriously enough? If so, he as PM should clarify what he is doing to make the prison/justice system punitive and rehabilitative enough.

[Prince]

I am not aware of any law saying that ex-prisoners are never allowed to return to their former occupations ever again. Lots of armed robbers, rapists, fraudsters, and murderers happily return to former occupations after being released from prison.

One word bad belle..in this part of the world they envy success like anything, especially if you are one of them who broke out of the ranks to succeed. If he was a plumber or some electrician or construction worker no one would care if he goes back to work or not. The bone of contention here is that he has no right to go back and continue to earn mega buck or be successful. That is how they reason in this part of the world and the way of making sure you never leave them behind. There is a lot of badbelle...i fear oyinbo, especially when they appear to be happy for you ..you can just detect in whatever nice words they are saying to you elements of envy..some of them can barely mask it and they would find a way of letting you know.

The guy has served time and deserves another chance ..but not with these bitter people who would rather see him destroyed..not really because of the crime, but because he was fortunate to have a job that took him out of their class.

Oloye,

There have been cases of those that have been convicted that return to football with no problem even with rape cases, unfortunately the gripe is this guy has shown no remorse, not apologised, went all over internet to say the girl is a liar, with his supporters threatening the girl. The guy is not even a high profile player. He should have been told to go to charity, lie low for a while.

He has appealed his case

[Chief Ogbunigwe]

I am not aware of any law saying that ex-prisoners are never allowed to return to their former occupations ever again. Lots of armed robbers, rapists, fraudsters, and murderers happily return to former occupations after being released from prison.

One word bad belle..in this part of the world they envy success like anything, especially if you are one of them who broke out of the ranks to succeed. If he was a plumber or some electrician or construction worker no one would care if he goes back to work or not. The bone of contention here is that he has no right to go back and continue to earn mega buck or be successful. That is how they reason in this part of the world and the way of making sure you never leave them behind. There is a lot of badbelle...i fear oyinbo, especially when they appear to be happy for you ..you can just detect in whatever nice words they are saying to you elements of envy..some of them can barely mask it and they would find a way of letting you know.

The guy has served time and deserves another chance ..but not with these bitter people who would rather see him destroyed..not really because of the crime, but because he was fortunate to have a job that took him out of their class.

Oloye,

There have been cases of those that have been convicted that return to football with no problem even with rape cases, unfortunately the gripe is this guy has shown no remorse, not apologised, went all over internet to say the girl is a liar, with his supporters threatening the girl. The guy is not even a high profile player. He should have been told to go to charity, lie low for a while.

He has appealed his case

But Prince, what if the guy genuinely feels like the girl lied and he was wrongfully convicted? He should just take it on the chin and apologize anyway?

Should he apologize even if he doesn't mean it, so that everyone can be happy again and he can get a job?

[Prince]

It was trial by social media that happened to the guy, a woman genuinely felt she was raped, you dont have to apologise for the incident but atleast be contrite about the whole thing. On top of it your fans now started to threaten the girl that the police had to be protecting her.

HE has appealed but until the verdict he should have just kept it simple. but he released a video on social media and opened himself to trial by social media, within a day thousands had viewed and formed an opinion.

[Chief Ogbunigwe]

It was trial by social media that happened to the guy, a woman genuinely felt she was raped, you dont have to apologise for the incident but atleast be contrite about the whole thing. On top of it your fans now started to threaten the girl that the police had to be protecting her.

HE has appealed but until the verdict he should have just kept it simple. but he released a video on social media and opened himself to trial by social media, within a day thousands had viewed and formed an opinion.

i see...he should have just observed a low profile. What is with idiots threatening the girl?

[Prince]

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/com ... 57849.html

How nice it would have been if the whole sorry saga of Ched Evans had been left in 2014. Unfortunately, Oldham Athletic are the latest team to suggest that they are considering signing the convicted rapist to play for their side, here on the other side of December 31st. If you - like me – think this is a truly terrible, awful decision, then you will be used to hearing the same arguments put forward in his defence, so here is a handy rebuttal guide.
Ched has served his time

Well actually, he hasn’t. Evans has been released under licence, but his sentence isn’t finished yet, it’s only the custodial aspect that is over. He could return to prison at any time if he breaches his probation conditions. He’s not allowed to go abroad, for example. He is far from being a ‘free man’.

He didn’t even do it!

A jury disagreed. The facts remain that on 30 May 2011, Evans got a text from his friend, Clayton McDonald, to say that he had “got a bird”, neglecting to mention he had “got” her at 3am in the queue for pizza when she was so drunk that she fell over and twisted her ankle. In fact, she had drunk so much that she doesn’t remember how she got to the hotel room where she eventually woke up, her clothes scattered around the floor. But this isn’t about her actions: it’s about Evans. And he does remember. He remembers – and freely admits - that he got a taxi to the Premier Inn where McDonald had taken the 19 year-old, let himself into the room and watched his friend have sex with her. He then “got involved”, while his brother and another friend watched through a window and tried to film it on their phones. Evans left later that morning via a fire escape.

Evans doesn’t think this sequence of events makes him a rapist. But unfortunately for him the jury did, and it is from that foundation that all our conversations about Evans and his professional career should start. The Football Association are not able to overturn or ignore the decisions of our legal system. Should the decision be overturned in court, then it's a discussion that can be reopened.



He has been punished, so now he should be rehabilitated

We need to be very clear what we mean by rehabilitation. Because rehabilitation does not mean a return to ordinary life, as if nothing has happened. Rehabilitation for Evans is not analogous with playing professional football. He could be rehabilitated without ever touching a ball again.

Rehabilitation is about reintegration into society, with the fundamental basis of this a reasonable understanding that the individual will not reoffend. And this is where we run into some problems, because Evans does not accept that he did anything wrong. In fact, he has repeatedly refused to accept even a modicum of guilt for anything other than cheating on his girlfriend. If he does not understand that what he did was rape, can we be sure he will not reoffend? He has shown no grasp of the issues surrounding consent, so can we really say he is rehabilitated?

But saying sorry isn’t part of his punishment

No, but acceptance and a willingness to change is part of rehabilitation, which is surely the issue at question here.

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So are we saying that his life is ruined because of one mistake?

Are we really suggesting that simply not being able to play professional football will destroy his life? The woman he attacked has just had to move and change her identity for the fifth time, after his supporters tracked her down and abused her. They even have a website vilifying her. Evans has yet to condemn their actions. Perhaps when talking about lives that have been ruined, we should first talk about his victim, and learn from his response to her ruined life.

Is he never allowed to work again?

Of course he is! But a rape conviction automatically excludes you from a vast number of professions. A convicted rapist couldn’t be a teacher, doctor or police officer, for example. In fact, there can be few companies that would allow you to walk straight back into your job after leaving jail. Should football be so different?
But a footballer isn’t in charge of children or vulnerable people, he is not a threat. Why shouldn’t he be allowed to play?

Not a threat directly, no, but footballers are idolised, and – rightly or wrongly – presented as role models. Regardless of how he has acted since his release, allowing him to walk back on to a pitch to cheers makes a mockery of what he has done. Do we really want his face decorating the bedroom walls of young fans?

Other sports stars have committed crimes in the past and been allowed to return. Why not Evans?

A wrong decision in the past shouldn’t stop the right thing being done now. This case should be judged on its own merits. And it is clear that public opinion now is overwhelmingly against Evans being allowed to return to professional football, with a petition to Oldham Athletic against the signing gaining 24,000 signatures so far, making it one of the fastest growing ever.

Perhaps it’s because he has shown no remorse, or because he has taken no responsibility for the despicable actions of his fans, or maybe it's because he is so unwilling to learn from what he has done. But it could also be that public opinion is finally starting to recognise rape as the most appalling of crimes which deserves to be met with nothing but disgust and contempt for the rapist, rather than a new contract and football shirt.

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