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PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 12:42 am 
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Toxic mortgage-backed security assets led to the collapse of the US housing market and a global recession...

Could reckless spending led by EPL teams and an over inflated transfer market lead to a "football recession"?

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 12:50 am 
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Football is a game of ideas; clear ideas and ability to translate these.

Two clubs currently stand out for me: Dortmund and Roma

Look at the young players BVB is stockpiling- Dahoud, Dembele, Pulisic, Mor, Isaak, Zagadou, Max Phillip, etc

Then look over at Roma where Paloschi is in the process of building a modern day amphitheater, estimated to be the most visited entertainment center in southern europe as part of Roma 2.0.

Appoints Monchi as football director who in turn has appointed Sassaulo coach Di Francesco as new manager; one of several bright lights in serie A last season.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 1:40 am 
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Look at the young players BVB is stockpiling- Dahoud, Dembele, Pulisic, Mor, Isaak, Zagadou, Max Phillip, etc.

To what end though? These players have been identified by other clubs too - none of these players are Dortmund youth products.

They haven't looked close to challenging Bayern for several years now.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 2:34 am 
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Look at the young players BVB is stockpiling- Dahoud, Dembele, Pulisic, Mor, Isaak, Zagadou, Max Phillip, etc.

To what end though? These players have been identified by other clubs too - none of these players are Dortmund youth products.

They haven't looked close to challenging Bayern for several years now.


Precisely!

It's about the here and now, cus its now or never!

And if its not now, it is burst!

The result?

Too few are willing to lay the foundations.

How many realize that Madrid's success in the last two years is not all about Ronaldo, but also the investment in young players who make up a terrific bench. Asencio, Morata, Carvajal...

And now they are adding further to it: Vallejo, Theo, Vicinius...

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 9:00 am 
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^Are they merely laying foundations on a level field, or are they bulldozing the new build miniature villages of lesser architects to make way for their mansion? Southampton could boast Bale, Walcott, Oxlade under the stewardship of Pochentino, but socialist sentiment is muffled and molested in this savage Serengeti. Kill or be killed.

Question, had United's class of 98 been West Ham's, would the Hammers have been an eminent force or would Scholes and Beckham have followed Lampard, Cole, Ferdinand et al?

In recent times City have acquired Gabriel Jesus, Sterling, Leroy Sane, the future looks bright and at the same time, is another's not dampened by loss of the departed? Tribunals set a fee for the cherries picked before ripening, is that enough? Should there be a period of youth service upon ascension to the first team squad? Pickford goes for 20 odd, which serves Sunderland well, but how well dies it serve them as far as planning forthe future be concerned?


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^Are they merely laying foundations on a level field, or are they bulldozing the new build miniature villages of lesser architects to make way for their mansion? Southampton could boast Bale, Walcott, Oxlade under the stewardship of Pochentino, but socialist sentiment is muffled and molested in this savage Serengeti. Kill or be killed.

Question, had United's class of 98 been West Ham's, would the Hammers have been an eminent force or would Scholes and Beckham have followed Lampard, Cole, Ferdinand et al?

In recent times City have acquired Gabriel Jesus, Sterling, Leroy Sane, the future looks bright and at the same time, is another's not dampened by loss of the departed? Tribunals set a fee for the cherries picked before ripening, is that enough? Should there be a period of youth service upon ascension to the first team squad? Pickford goes for 20 odd, which serves Sunderland well, but how well dies it serve them as far as planning forthe future be concerned?



The guarantee lies in the clarity and consistency of the vision. Focus on the traffic, in and out of the door misses the point.

How? Why?

I offer Sevilla under Monchi...

Added to the clarity of vision is of course the scouting network. Once those are in place, other things fall in place.

And speaking of Sunderland, did they not spend more than Atleti last season?

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 10:43 am 
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@Tx, casuistry at its cunningly evasive best. The question remains unanswered. How can one plan for the future when that future is preyed upon by the leviathans of the ocean deep? How can West Ham envision a Ferdinand spreading the ball to Cole, who in turn tees up Franklin Lampard, when the Uniteds et al are at large?

Ajax were indeed visionists and prepared a team for tomorrow, immediate success brought ravenous predation. Tis argued by some, the constant cherry picking of talents from Amsterdam and the ensuing juxstaposition of team development, has stunted Ajax significantly. A young side arrived at a major cup final and in doing so, merely scribbled the names of their precocious talents on the menu, a la carte. What then for the clarity of vision and scouting networks? How far can one see beyond the beasts of empty bellies standing at the door? How clear is the vision when today has little bearing on tomorrow? Today it's Kluivert, tomorrow he's gone...where is the clarity? Kindly detail.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 4:14 am 
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@Tx, casuistry at its cunningly evasive best. The question remains unanswered. How can one plan for the future when that future is preyed upon by the leviathans of the ocean deep? How can West Ham envision a Ferdinand spreading the ball to Cole, who in turn tees up Franklin Lampard, when the Uniteds et al are at large?

Ajax were indeed visionists and prepared a team for tomorrow, immediate success brought ravenous predation. Tis argued by some, the constant cherry picking of talents from Amsterdam and the ensuing juxstaposition of team development, has stunted Ajax significantly. A young side arrived at a major cup final and in doing so, merely scribbled the names of their precocious talents on the menu, a la carte. What then for the clarity of vision and scouting networks? How far can one see beyond the beasts of empty bellies standing at the door? How clear is the vision when today has little bearing on tomorrow? Today it's Kluivert, tomorrow he's gone...where is the clarity? Kindly detail.



Again, I present to you Sevilla FC

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^And how close are Sevilla to transforming the vision to domestic success? How close are they to winning La Liga?


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 2:29 pm 
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^And how close are Sevilla to transforming the vision to domestic success? How close are they to winning La Liga?



:ohmy: The ever shifting goal posts of the intellect!

They do not have to have won la liga to be classified as successful. They have won the Europa 2-3 times...the copa, I think...been in CL...

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And why haven't they challenged the status quo? Because they can't for as, when the vision blinks, Alves, Ramos, Reyes and alike are off to dine with the broad bellies. No shifting of goalposts, rather a revealing of an argument as skewhiff as the tower of Pisa. You started by stating the success of Madrid was laid on youthful foundations yet seem reluctant to accept that others cannot lay said foundations because the seeds are picked long before the farmer's harvest.


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Coach wrote:
And why haven't they challenged the status quo? Because they can't for as, when the vision blinks, Alves, Ramos, Reyes and alike are off to dine with the broad bellies. No shifting of goalposts, rather a revealing of an argument as skewhiff as the tower of Pisa. You started by stating the success of Madrid was laid on youthful foundations yet seem reluctant to accept that others cannot lay said foundations because the seeds are picked long before the farmer's harvest.


I'm not talking about the Madrids or the Barcas...I'm talking about the 2nd and 3rd tier teams who can have success with vision and clarity of ideas. The standard for success for a Sevilla cannot be the same for Madrid.

And they can challenge and have challenged. Dortmund was dominating a few years back. Liepzig just came 2nd in their first season in the Bundesliga. Roma finished 2nd...

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RB Leipzig had the vision, that vision was RB Salzburg. Sands for the cement for the foundation. Again, what foundations have ever been laid without flattening that which lay before its intentions?


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^Unfortunately there are those who win a league with lesser players and others who squander better. The game needed a cap on transfer fees and wages a long time ago, it never came, now, madness reigns. Sadly, the antithesis was a fantastic failure, Bendtner, Szczesznyzzz, Denilson, Djorou etc, these guys were supposed to be our Ajax by now. Walcott, Ramsey, Wilshere, Gibbs, Oxlade, Frimpong, sadly when the school's are failing, there's little choice but to find the end product in the market place. Crazy can be avoided, but mad is inevitable.



This was where the conversation was supposed to go before, "why haven't they challenged...?"

You don't necessarily have to have the budget of a Madrid to challenge, if you have the vision and clarity of ideas. You will not always win, but you will remain in the hunt. And every often, you will catch one of the mega teams cold.

Atleti has done it. Dortmund did until Munich retooled and they started selling too soon, and to a direct rival. Leipzig to an extent, but ran out of steam...

Point is, it can be done; and has been done...

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Roque Mesa from Las Palmas to Swansea. May turn out the smartest signing of the year...

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Haven't seen much of Lionel Mesa, but if he can repeat his produce at Las Palmas amongst the blood and thunder of the great gladiatorial gauntlet that is...the Premier of Premier leagues, it will be a coup.


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