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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2015 11:14 pm 
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@Tx, last chance saloon for Rodgers and Pellegrini, the latter perhaps has less in his pint glass.

Pelegrini is not on the hot seat, unless our coach decides he wants to come. Then no matter what Pelegrini does, he is a gunner.


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Arsenal need an upgrade on Coquellin. But not cus of the 'we need a DM' crowd of Arsenal and Liverpool supporters.

He is improving; I get it, but not well enough....

1. His lateral movement is average; product of not reading the game well/quick enough
2. His speed of control/release is a little weak, producing multiple technical leftovers
3. #2 above is made worse on high pressing by opponent, which sets the additional domino effect of late tackles and yellow cards...
4. Could be made even worse if the opponent, in addition squeezes the space around Carzola to deny technical control in possession by Arsenal, the primary basis for the team's transition game...

He'll have to improve in a hurry. Good thing though is, many PL teams are not that sophisticated in their defensive tactical organization and quality of defensive players.

Just a few thoughts....

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2015 4:13 pm 
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@Tx, upon which rock should Brendan build his fort? The 4-2-3-1 vs Stoke looked languid, lethargic and lacking in incisiveness, early door perhaps. With Sturridge gone to November, the inevitable two on his return, makes way for more permutations in his absence. One, two or three. With the acquisition of Clynne, there was reason to believe Rodgers would build on his 3-4-2-1 which for large parts of the previous campaign, served him well. With Moreno on the left, there would be a little more balance than there was last season and certainly Can in the middle alongside Henderson offers a solid core. Milner and Coutinho either side of Benteke would offer a good pressing unit which could cancel out the numerical deficit in midfield in a flat 3-4-3.

The Diamond is more than likely set to be the resting formation when all are fully fit and perhaps even now would be a more appropriate motif than the 4-2-3-1. Rotation through ninety degrees, thus turning the diamond into a square, 4-2-2-2 with lateral movement from two centre-forwards, is another option. A double block at the base of midfield would allow for greater adventure in the fullbacks, certainly Clynne was rather inhibited vs Stoke, such a reshuffle would break said chains.

There is much for Rodgers to ponder, muse, think about, the answer lies beyond the orthodoxies of present, far from the 4-2-3-1, where exactly? Who knows.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2015 5:06 pm 
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BR defaults to the 4-man backline; period....He will go to a 3-back formation only occasionally as events demand/necessitate.

He will vary between a 4-3-3 and a 4-2-3-1, with Can more likely to feature in the former as the base of a 1-2 in central MF.

Sturridge's return will likely see a diamond introduced...

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2015 11:46 am 
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@Tx, Back once again like the renegade master...#defaultdamager #power2thepeople

T'is now or the noose for dear Brendan, new life or demise at the helm of the Liverbirds. The call is not least for bravery, boldness, but also brawn and balls. Rodgers has no choice but to go hammer and tong, back against the wall, the only avenues are forward or down. The system must change, the emphasis, intensity, fear can no longer serve as the master. Too afraid of his opponent, he's covering up instead of coming out. These are the seeds of which he must make a towering okosisi. Ifs, ands, buts, are absolutely irrelevant, Klopps, chimerical. Liverpool have what they have and must make do. The brakepads must be filed down. Better to die on your feet than on your knees. Get rid of the 4-whatever-whatever, revert to the high pressing, high intensity, high octane motif and go for it.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:10 pm 
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Back once again like the renegade master...#defaultdamager #power2thepeople

T'is now or the noose for dear Brendan, new life or demise at the helm of the Liverbirds. The call is not least for bravery, boldness, but also brawn and balls. Rodgers has no choice but to go hammer and tong, back against the wall, the only avenues are forward or down. The system must change, the emphasis, intensity, fear can no longer serve as the master. Too afraid of his opponent, he's covering up instead of coming out. These are the seeds of which he must make a towering okosisi. Ifs, ands, buts, are absolutely irrelevant, Klopps, chimerical. Liverpool have what they have and must make do. The brakepads must be filed down. Better to die on your feet than on your knees. Get rid of the 4-whatever-whatever, revert to the high pressing, high intensity, high octane motif and go for it.


Rodgers is a drowning man flailing, grabbing, and steadily sinking...
This is beyond tactics and diagrams and dressing-room speeches.

The high-pressure winner-takes-all game v ManU at Anfield in March, was Rodgers' moment of clarity:
The Liverpool job is too big for him.

He can soldier on, and potentially completely wipe out his career.

Or he can gamble on the Law of Candour in PR: back down (an acceptance of failure), especially as there is yet something to salvage from his tenure.
The latter offers him a platform to begin rebuilding the Rodgers brand at a modest club, maybe in a foreign league (a la Steve McLaren & David Moyes)

When good players suddenly become crap, the manager is a dead man walking...

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^There is nothing to salvage but the fate in the palm of his hands. If he walks away, he's finished. If he's fired, he's finished. He has no choice but to roll in the deep like Adele.


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Never seen a manager oversee a team that consistently bottles it up at the big games.

It is evident Rodgers cannot salvage this crisis by his own hands.

Especially as he keeps fumbling from one futile formation to another; sometimes in the middle of games.

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^He approaches such games with the mindstate of a Dr Jekyll mid metamorphosis. Rodgers doesn't quite know what he wants his Liverpool to be, invites fear and caution and pays the penance for doing so.


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Enjoy!


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His teams do not stand on ceremony behind the door. As he says: "Fighting football is what I like. What we say in German is English football. A rainy day, a heavy pitch, everybody is dirty in the face and they go home and can't play football for the next four weeks. This is Borussia."

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/34445771

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^Beautiful. Absolutely effing beautiful.


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First run out for the gegenpressing. Reasonable return, a point on the road against immediate competition. Decent. Demanding. Does the full throttle of the breakneck, crown cracking Premiership, collude or confound the intention? Rodgers pressed, indeed so, but not in the same vein as the Germanically engineered equivalent. Where the former favoured a more gung-ho flurry of fists with precious little cover-up, the latter throws the skilled combination with a timely retreat in anticipation of the retaliatory swing. The gegenpress is as much about harry and harass as it is about falling back into formation with military efficiency, covering up and battening down the hatches. This is certainly where Rodgers' juvenility cost him dearly, over-excitement, over-zealous, over enthusiastic, under attentive. If possession wasnt recovered, if the press was repelled, a soft and charitable under-belly was exposed.

The physical demands of a sustained gegenpress for any sustained period of time, will be considerable, trying but certainly not impossible. In Milner, Henderson, even Coutinho in the attacking third, Liverpool have a decent triumvirate for the purpose, but is the 4-2-3-1 the best shape for the strategy? Or even the best shape for Liverpool?


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First run out for the gegenpressing. Reasonable return, a point on the road against immediate competition. Decent. Demanding. Does the full throttle of the breakneck, crown cracking Premiership, collude or confound the intention? Rodgers pressed, indeed so, but not in the same vein as the Germanically engineered equivalent. Where the former favoured a more gung-ho flurry of fists with precious little cover-up, the latter throws the skilled combination with a timely retreat in anticipation of the retaliatory swing. The gegenpress is as much about harry and harass as it is about falling back into formation with military efficiency, covering up and battening down the hatches. This is certainly where Rodgers' juvenility cost him dearly, over-excitement, over-zealous, over enthusiastic, under attentive. If possession wasnt recovered, if the press was repelled, a soft and charitable under-belly was exposed.

The physical demands of a sustained gegenpress for any sustained period of time, will be considerable, trying but certainly not impossible. In Milner, Henderson, even Coutinho in the attacking third, Liverpool have a decent triumvirate for the purpose, but is the 4-2-3-1 the best shape for the strategy? Or even the best shape for Liverpool?


Herr Klopp may need to do a tweaking, to accommodate Sturridge & Benteke.
He has little choice, anyway. Sturridge must play. And not even Herr Klopp has the luxury of keeping a 32 million pounds striker on the bench.
Perhaps Sturridge as the wider frontman, the outlet for the blitzkrieg counter. Benteke as the direct outlet for the more measured offensive.
Lallana shall be sacrificed, no doubt (too soft, less guile than a Coutinho)
Problem shall be Firminho, but I reckon its all a welcome problem for Herr Klopp.

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^Sturridge's pedigree through the middle offers ample antagonism to any intention to play him wide, yet two up top sacrifices a midfielder in an age where midfield numeracy is advantageous. Does Benteke play deep to Sturridge as a focal point? City used Bony in this role with Sterling ahead on the weekend, inferior opposition, but worked a treat. Theres reason to feel he may consider using Sturridge similarly to Aubameyang, in a wide role, focal point of hasty counters. Then theres Firmino and Coutinho, Henderson, Milner and Can, a plethora of midfield engines to effect a good press, would be a shame to lose such to the bench for want of observing tactical orthodoxy. Klopp has, if not mistaken, toyed with a 4-3-1-2, again, another option, though forfeiting the width he adores. Interesting conundrum.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2015 12:32 pm 
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Enjoy!


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His teams do not stand on ceremony behind the door. As he says: "Fighting football is what I like. What we say in German is English football. A rainy day, a heavy pitch, everybody is dirty in the face and they go home and can't play football for the next four weeks. This is Borussia."

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/34445771


Lol he made that one up.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2015 7:54 pm 
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Enjoy!


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His teams do not stand on ceremony behind the door. As he says: "Fighting football is what I like. What we say in German is English football. A rainy day, a heavy pitch, everybody is dirty in the face and they go home and can't play football for the next four weeks. This is Borussia."

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/34445771


Lol he made that one up.

How far?I did not see you in the Arsenal vs Bayern game thread.Or you waiting to come in return leg if Bayern get luck against the inform team in Europe?Can you answer the following question for me.Thanks
Bayern first defeat of the season was handed to them by..........?
Bayern first game in the season not to score a goal was against..........?
Bayern first game in CL this season to allow a goal was against.........?
Now you see why it just have to be Arsenal for life


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First run out for the gegenpressing. Reasonable return, a point on the road against immediate competition. Decent. Demanding. Does the full throttle of the breakneck, crown cracking Premiership, collude or confound the intention? Rodgers pressed, indeed so, but not in the same vein as the Germanically engineered equivalent. Where the former favoured a more gung-ho flurry of fists with precious little cover-up, the latter throws the skilled combination with a timely retreat in anticipation of the retaliatory swing. The gegenpress is as much about harry and harass as it is about falling back into formation with military efficiency, covering up and battening down the hatches. This is certainly where Rodgers' juvenility cost him dearly, over-excitement, over-zealous, over enthusiastic, under attentive. If possession wasnt recovered, if the press was repelled, a soft and charitable under-belly was exposed.

The physical demands of a sustained gegenpress for any sustained period of time, will be considerable, trying but certainly not impossible. In Milner, Henderson, even Coutinho in the attacking third, Liverpool have a decent triumvirate for the purpose, but is the 4-2-3-1 the best shape for the strategy? Or even the best shape for Liverpool?

Do you think Liverpool can win their next two games,very tough games coming up in EPL,i want them take Chelsea spot in top 4 .Just want to know which team can over take Chelsea between,Spurs,Liverpool etch since it looks like Manu,City and Arsenal will make the other top 3 spot


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@Tx, 4-3-1-2 yesterday, for large parts and a very interesting deployment of the forwards, particularly Origi, plenty of lateral movement. The organisation of the midfield, once settled, was interesting, an aggressive press with Lucas sitting back. Is this the way forward?


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@Tx, 4-3-1-2 yesterday, for large parts and a very interesting deployment of the forwards, particularly Origi, plenty of lateral movement. The organisation of the midfield, once settled, was interesting, an aggressive press with Lucas sitting back. Is this the way forward?


Midfield presenting another welcome problem for Klopp.
Where figures Henderson? Especially with Can blossoming at the tip of the diamond?
Who gets sacrificed? Milner?

Pundits extol the Spurs midfield, but suddenly Klopp's Liverpool trumps it everyday of the week:
Lucas, Henderson, Can, Milner, Coutinho, Lallana...

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^Henderson's a while away from full fitness, till then, it picks itself, Can, Lucas, Milner. The question is, does he 4-2-3-1/4-3-3 or 4-3-1-2? If the latter, Coutinho pips Lallana who, if can maintain the same work ethic, could edge Milner out of the side. The Benteke-Sturridge combination hasn't truly been tested yet and one would assume this is something JK would be keen to explore. The shape yesterday, once settled, offered good zonal coverage and certainly favoured the press from the front.


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^Henderson's a while away from full fitness, till then, it picks itself, Can, Lucas, Milner. The question is, does he 4-2-3-1/4-3-3 or 4-3-1-2? If the latter, Coutinho pips Lallana who, if can maintain the same work ethic, could edge Milner out of the side. The Benteke-Sturridge combination hasn't truly been tested yet and one would assume this is something JK would be keen to explore. The shape yesterday, once settled, offered good zonal coverage and certainly favoured the press from the front.


Oh, you forgot Firminho?
Sturridge-Firminho a better starting pair for me. Benteke an impact sub after Studge & Firminho have run a defence ragged for one torturous hour.
This is a strike pair made for Herr Klopp: perpetual speed of movement, guile, quick interchange of passes & positions...Only threat lacking is aerial...

Benteke-Ings pair for venues like:
The Britannia on a cold wintry night against pluggers like Shawcross...
King Power stadium against the likes of Huth & Morgan...

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@Tx, 4-3-1-2 yesterday, for large parts and a very interesting deployment of the forwards, particularly Origi, plenty of lateral movement. The organisation of the midfield, once settled, was interesting, an aggressive press with Lucas sitting back. Is this the way forward?


Its actually a variant of his 4-3-3, to produce what effectively was a 4-4-2 diamond with Lalana at the tip, but with constant variations in position. Lalana's was less the playmaker as it was the water carrier as a result of his work rate, with the occasional switch with Can, who also switched sides with Allen. Think the Welshman has earned himself a start at N/castle with Can suspended.

And by placing the starting positions of Studge and Origi wide of both Southampton's CDs, he neutralized the man marking...

Interesting how managers can affect players....Ibe especially is starting to look truly promising...

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Coach and txj, given Klopp's demands from his forwards would you agree that Balotelli's time at Anfield is done, or do you think Klopp can extract something worthwhile from him?

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