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PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2017 1:35 pm 
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On Personal Attacks - Read again. You are the one who brought in personal attacks into this. You are the one mentioning words like those coloured above. I asked why you were saying thanks and you posted the response which I found childish. Use of CAPS can mean focus on words not just shouting. The entire post was not in CAPS.

My views are simple - If you bring insults into a post where I have not insulted you then I consider it childish and either ignore or state such. Waffiman is a forumer that I have constantly been on the yabbis side with due to the Arsenal/Spurs stuff. He has said more harsher things about Spurs. Funny thing is that I have no problems going into a yab fest with him. He is someone that is reasonable.

However I have no interest nor desire to enter such with people like tfco, danfo. There is no 'history' between myself and them so I ignore their posts especially as it is not reason-based. Ditto some fans of Chelsea, I have no history with them even they type - I read it and move on. No interest in the yabs unless I feel the need to response. Pretty much I see Chelsea fans now like West Ham, Crystal Palace and Fulham fans.

TL:DR You started the personal insults. Move on.


I didn't insult you but I did respond in kind. My initial response was as innocent and carefree as can be and the 'thanks' was merely being courteous (perhaps i should've used 'cheers'. Same thing). But you went off typing in CAPS. So I reminded you that I don't care about whether Kane goes or stays or where he goes to. It means absolutely nothing to me as a Chelsea fan. The transfer status of Kane is irrelevant to Chelsea's intent & ambition. This is not an insult but a reality. Kane won the golden boot but CFC won the league with FA Cup Finals coming up. Wasn't Kane on the pitch at Wembley for 90 + mins while CFC bundled 4 goals past Illoris with Hazard & Diego watching from the bench for 60 mins? Grow up son. That is a fact and not an insult. If Kane moves to Madrid or Barca which one consign Chelsea whose primary annual goal is to win the EPL? If you shift him to one of the Manchester Clubs, will CFC reduce their ambition or will they reload? Is Kane the only striker on the planet that can be used to win a league title or a Champions League? Please.

Anyway, I expect such from the fan of a small club in the bucket of West Ham, Crystal Palace and Fulham. So you can go on ahead and flip Spurs in that bucket of losers if it makes you feel better but the bottom line is you need to quit taking things unnecessarily personal. It's ironic that you mentioned Waffiman, because I've gone at it with him for over a decade without exchanging one single insult. Sometimes we go at it hard yet its mutual respect at the end of the day. This is a football forum that includes fans of rival clubs so its par for course. Live and learn.


Kane's a homer...not going anywhere...

I don't want to speak on behalf of anyone, but working with someone like Harry Kane, I can tell you that his mindset will be now, 'I'm staying at Tottenham, I'm going to break every single record ... I'm going to set new records, I'm going to get as close to [Premier League record scorer] Alan Shearer as possible, I'm going to captain this club into the new stadium.' Danny Rose...


Thanks for the 411 bro. I will save this thread for you and concerned Spurs fans. :mrgreen:

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green4life wrote:
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On Personal Attacks - Read again. You are the one who brought in personal attacks into this. You are the one mentioning words like those coloured above. I asked why you were saying thanks and you posted the response which I found childish. Use of CAPS can mean focus on words not just shouting. The entire post was not in CAPS.

My views are simple - If you bring insults into a post where I have not insulted you then I consider it childish and either ignore or state such. Waffiman is a forumer that I have constantly been on the yabbis side with due to the Arsenal/Spurs stuff. He has said more harsher things about Spurs. Funny thing is that I have no problems going into a yab fest with him. He is someone that is reasonable.

However I have no interest nor desire to enter such with people like tfco, danfo. There is no 'history' between myself and them so I ignore their posts especially as it is not reason-based. Ditto some fans of Chelsea, I have no history with them even they type - I read it and move on. No interest in the yabs unless I feel the need to response. Pretty much I see Chelsea fans now like West Ham, Crystal Palace and Fulham fans.

TL:DR You started the personal insults. Move on.


I didn't insult you but I did respond in kind. My initial response was as innocent and carefree as can be and the 'thanks' was merely being courteous (perhaps i should've used 'cheers'. Same thing). But you went off typing in CAPS. So I reminded you that I don't care about whether Kane goes or stays or where he goes to. It means absolutely nothing to me as a Chelsea fan. The transfer status of Kane is irrelevant to Chelsea's intent & ambition. This is not an insult but a reality. Kane won the golden boot but CFC won the league with FA Cup Finals coming up. Wasn't Kane on the pitch at Wembley for 90 + mins while CFC bundled 4 goals past Illoris with Hazard & Diego watching from the bench for 60 mins? Grow up son. That is a fact and not an insult. If Kane moves to Madrid or Barca which one consign Chelsea whose primary annual goal is to win the EPL? If you shift him to one of the Manchester Clubs, will CFC reduce their ambition or will they reload? Is Kane the only striker on the planet that can be used to win a league title or a Champions League? Please.

Anyway, I expect such from the fan of a small club in the bucket of West Ham, Crystal Palace and Fulham. So you can go on ahead and flip Spurs in that bucket of losers if it makes you feel better but the bottom line is you need to quit taking things unnecessarily personal. It's ironic that you mentioned Waffiman, because I've gone at it with him for over a decade without exchanging one single insult. Sometimes we go at it hard yet its mutual respect at the end of the day. This is a football forum that includes fans of rival clubs so its par for course. Live and learn.


Kane's a homer...not going anywhere...

I don't want to speak on behalf of anyone, but working with someone like Harry Kane, I can tell you that his mindset will be now, 'I'm staying at Tottenham, I'm going to break every single record ... I'm going to set new records, I'm going to get as close to [Premier League record scorer] Alan Shearer as possible, I'm going to captain this club into the new stadium.' Danny Rose...


Thanks for the 411 bro. I will save this thread for you and concerned Spurs fans. :mrgreen:
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PostPosted: Tue May 30, 2017 10:49 am 
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Guillermo Varela (yeah - he is still a Man Utd player) is likely to be in hot water after Eintracht Frankfurt sent him home early from his loan deal with them. He got a tattoo - which then got inflamed, causing him to be unavailable for selection. Of course Eintracht got angry and sent him back to Man Utd. He is threatening to sue. He is unlikely to be a Man Utd player next season (partly bc he is very suspect at RB).

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This Real Madrid win has put a lot of things into perspective, is it money? Most European elite teams have the financial clout like Real Madrid, I guess it's their philosophy that they have to win football biggest prizes every season, that's what makes them tick, they are always looking for the next best player to freshen things up, that squad is as complete as a team you will ever see in Europe, look at our team for example, that mistake Ferguson made by giving a high profile Job to a footballing novice, united has not recovered from that mistake, between 2006-2009, at least we were in 3 champion league finals, we won 1 and lost twice to Barcelona, that was the territory where man united were supposed to be right now, we have to rediscover our old philosophy and I do hope Mourinho is the answer, finishing top 6 is certainly not good enough but we will judge Mourinho after next season, it is quite good that we will play the super cup against Real Madrid, we will see how we need to improve, just hope the United board were watching Yesterday, the likes of Lingard will never win you titles

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that mistake Ferguson made by giving a high profile Job to a footballing novice, united has not recovered from that mistake,


80+ crosses against the might of Fulham...smh

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This Real Madrid win has put a lot of things into perspective, is it money? Most European elite teams have the financial clout like Real Madrid, I guess it's their philosophy that they have to win football biggest prizes every season, that's what makes them tick, they are always looking for the next best player to freshen things up, that squad is as complete as a team you will ever see in Europe, look at our team for example, that mistake Ferguson made by giving a high profile Job to a footballing novice, united has not recovered from that mistake, between 2006-2009, at least we were in 3 champion league finals, we won 1 and lost twice to Barcelona, that was the territory where man united were supposed to be right now, we have to rediscover our old philosophy and I do hope Mourinho is the answer, finishing top 6 is certainly not good enough but we will judge Mourinho after next season, it is quite good that we will play the super cup against Real Madrid, we will see how we need to improve, just hope the United board were watching Yesterday, the likes of Lingard will never win you titles


That is exactly where we need to be, to be like Real Madrid, Bayern Munich, Barcelona - so much talent all over the pitch such short any good manager with a clue can come in and the team is still a regular appearance in CL finals and the league.

Ferguson allowed United to slip way behind those 3, such that United now relied mostly in the manager, and when you do that you always fall in the CL finals like Juventus and Atletico Madrid and Dortmund under Klopp.

Let people laugh at the monies being shelled out by United, but it's a good effort that will reap rewards later, i remember when Real Madrid was laughed at for it's Galactico policy, they ignored the critics and now people are in awe.

I won't mind seeing half a team of stars come in this summer :thumbs:


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This Real Madrid win has put a lot of things into perspective, is it money? Most European elite teams have the financial clout like Real Madrid, I guess it's their philosophy that they have to win football biggest prizes every season, that's what makes them tick, they are always looking for the next best player to freshen things up, that squad is as complete as a team you will ever see in Europe, look at our team for example, that mistake Ferguson made by giving a high profile Job to a footballing novice, united has not recovered from that mistake, between 2006-2009, at least we were in 3 champion league finals, we won 1 and lost twice to Barcelona, that was the territory where man united were supposed to be right now, we have to rediscover our old philosophy and I do hope Mourinho is the answer, finishing top 6 is certainly not good enough but we will judge Mourinho after next season, it is quite good that we will play the super cup against Real Madrid, we will see how we need to improve, just hope the United board were watching Yesterday, the likes of Lingard will never win you titles



I am reading somewhere someone wants to make the same mistake at Arsenal. To entrust Eddie Howe with the team. :)

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Man Utd has been in a state of transition for the past 4 years. To be fair not all of that is Ferguson's fault. Some of it was down to losing irreplaceable once in a lifetime players (Ronaldo, Giggs, Scholes, Van der Sar, Vidic, Rio, Evra). If Ronaldo leaves the club, there is no one you can buy to "replace him" (unless you are willing to pay a billion to get Messi). Keep in mind that Ronaldo's "replacement" was Tony V...

Man Utd has never been the same since Ronaldo left in 2009. That attacking trident of Ronaldo, prime Rooney, and Tevez was awesome. There was a great article about that Man Utd team in the Independent last week: http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/foot ... 66771.html


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This Real Madrid win has put a lot of things into perspective, is it money? Most European elite teams have the financial clout like Real Madrid, I guess it's their philosophy that they have to win football biggest prizes every season, that's what makes them tick, they are always looking for the next best player to freshen things up, that squad is as complete as a team you will ever see in Europe, look at our team for example, that mistake Ferguson made by giving a high profile Job to a footballing novice, united has not recovered from that mistake, between 2006-2009, at least we were in 3 champion league finals, we won 1 and lost twice to Barcelona, that was the territory where man united were supposed to be right now, we have to rediscover our old philosophy and I do hope Mourinho is the answer, finishing top 6 is certainly not good enough but we will judge Mourinho after next season, it is quite good that we will play the super cup against Real Madrid, we will see how we need to improve, just hope the United board were watching Yesterday, the likes of Lingard will never win you titles


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I don't think you can really replace players who are unique, Real Madrid just have too much quality either sitting on the bench or playing, too much world class talent, juventus did not have any answers whatsoever, united used to be like that, that was why we appeared in 3 champions league finals between 2008 and 2010, Ferguson just threw it away to a complete novice or fellow scots man, we are now playing catch up, Mourinho needs to be supported with the cheque book, last season, we were lacking finishers and that cost us the title, we were not clinical enough, I am happy we will play Real Madrid, I hope between now and August we get a few decent players are weed out the dead wood, we have several of those in our squad, not simply good enough

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I don't think you can really replace players who are unique, Real Madrid just have too much quality either sitting on the bench or playing, too much world class talent, juventus did not have any answers whatsoever, united used to be like that, that was why we appeared in 3 champions league finals between 2008 and 2010, Ferguson just threw it away to a complete novice or fellow scots man, we are now playing catch up, Mourinho needs to be supported with the cheque book, last season, we were lacking finishers and that cost us the title, we were not clinical enough, I am happy we will play Real Madrid, I hope between now and August we get a few decent players are weed out the dead wood, we have several of those in our squad, not simply good enough

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So we have simultaneously become the richest, and most indebted, club in the world: http://edition.cnn.com/2017/06/06/footb ... index.html


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So we have simultaneously become the richest, and most indebted, club in the world: http://edition.cnn.com/2017/06/06/footb ... index.html


It is my understanding that the debt is kept at a certain level deliberately in order to get some tax breaks elsewhere and what not.
Don't know how it works with interests etc.
They say it's a different kind of capitalism, otherwise they could have strived to pay back the full debt at once if it was really detrimental.


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I do not know which kind of tax breaks justify keeping nearly half a billion of debt on the club. The debt increased 25% in the last year alone, and nearly equals this year's record breaking profits of over 500 million. Man Utd debt is more than 200 million greater than Europe's next most indebted club (Benfica).

"While debt levels across the continent have decreased each year for the past five years - something Uefa puts down to its financial fair play regulations - United's has grown by 25 per cent in the past year alone."


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/manch ... 23761.html

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So we have simultaneously become the richest, and most indebted, club in the world: http://edition.cnn.com/2017/06/06/footb ... index.html


It is my understanding that the debt is kept at a certain level deliberately in order to get some tax breaks elsewhere and what not.
Don't know how it works with interests etc.
They say it's a different kind of capitalism, otherwise they could have strived to pay back the full debt at once if it was really detrimental.


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I do not know which kind of tax breaks justify keeping nearly half a billion of debt on the club. The debt increased 25% in the last year alone, and nearly equals this year's record breaking profits of over 500 million. Man Utd debt is more than 200 million greater than Europe's next most indebted club (Benfica).

"While debt levels across the continent have decreased each year for the past five years - something Uefa puts down to its financial fair play regulations - United's has grown by 25 per cent in the past year alone."


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/manch ... 23761.html

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wiseone wrote:
So we have simultaneously become the richest, and most indebted, club in the world: http://edition.cnn.com/2017/06/06/footb ... index.html


It is my understanding that the debt is kept at a certain level deliberately in order to get some tax breaks elsewhere and what not.
Don't know how it works with interests etc.
They say it's a different kind of capitalism, otherwise they could have strived to pay back the full debt at once if it was really detrimental.


Remember the debt has always been around that level ever since the Glazers did their leveraged buyout.
It was around £500million in 2005, which sounds a lot scarier than 500million in 2017 due to inflation reasons.
The debt actually reached around 700million in 2010

That may be one reason to explain Fergie not spending after Ronaldo was sold.


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Manchester United unlikely to offer Zlatan Ibrahimovic a new contract at Old Trafford, according to Sky sources.


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Manchester United unlikely to offer Zlatan Ibrahimovic a new contract at Old Trafford, according to Sky sources.

Football is a biatch..before the injury they were begfing him to extend his stay......

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Manchester United unlikely to offer Zlatan Ibrahimovic a new contract at Old Trafford, according to Sky sources.

Football is a biatch..before the injury they were begfing him to extend his stay......


I have mixed feelings.
Zlatan indeed helped United win the League Cup.
And United's season was trundling along when he was fit and scoring, once he got injured i suspected that finishing in the top 4 was over.
He was unlucky, but i don't think he was ever a long term solution, due to his age.


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I hope Conte sends a text message to Ibra. :)

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It's a shame they finished sixth place with their budget.


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Zlatan is not the answer man united needs, we need a long term solution

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Zlatan released! :arrow: :scared: Movic is expected to miss the first five months of the season recovering from knee surgery, and with no prospect of him being back to full fitness until January, José Mourinho has apparently agreed with the club's board that paying 300,000 pounds a week to renew the player's contract makes no financial sense :ohmy:

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Zlatan released! :arrow: :scared: Movic is expected to miss the first five months of the season recovering from knee surgery, and with no prospect of him being back to full fitness until January, José Mourinho has apparently agreed with the club's board that paying 300,000 pounds a week to renew the player's contract makes no financial sense :ohmy:



Apparently he will be allowed to make a full recovery with United, and may get an extension although that's unlikely.

The good news here is that this definitely means a new striker is coming :thumbs:
Don't know if that would be good news for Martial and Rashford though.


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