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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:22 pm 
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How come a rich club like Manu signing a lot of waste pipe?I mean a club like Manu should be having the bes team in England at worst with super youth system and a cool head manager.Look how Liverpool buying players and how they play their game.....
Look who is playing their LB and RB position,i mean the cost of Pogba alone is the price of Salah,Mane and the Brazilian striker


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We have several fringe players in the squad, i watch highlights of our under 19s, there are some talented players, i can pick out a player call Gomez, these carabao cups should be an opportunity to try these players, i could careless if we lose to Derby with these up and coming players, city, liverpool, arsenal and a host of other teams use such players in these low rated cup games

why does Mourinho have to use the 1st team in these cup games and for what purpose, why is he so *hellbent* on winning these cups, when you lose against a team like Derby, all the wrong headlines start cropping up

The board need to sort out this mess sooner rather than later, they cant hope things go right, they cant hope we will go back to winning 7 games on a trot

right now morale is low! if Pogba is this issue, get rid of him, but for my earlier points, this will not happen, right now we have a manager that is clueless and that is the big problem

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I am also with Mourinho on Pogba. Pogba answers directly to Mourinho while Mourinho answers to all stakeholders.

I hope he has the balls to see it through. Man United's success secret for several years spanning multiple generations of footballers under Sir Alex was 'firm grip' applied with wisdom. Pogba revealed the problem at Man United pointing fingers at Mourinho, whether he was joking or not. Sir Alex won't have that as he descended on influential players who opened their mouth to 'third parties'. It appears Sir Alex don't have problems with you berating your team-mates directly the way the likes of Roy Keane, Schmeichel, Cantona, Rio, Neville, Scholes, Vidic etc would do but say nothing directly to the outside world so he could clean up the mess. Pogba took it a step further by 'attacking' the manager's approach. While I agree with him on the culprit (for the sake of those who don't appear to see what's going on), the options are clear - Mourinho must assert his authority going forward and find a way to win Pogba to his side or alienate him and eventually let him go. The other option is for Mourinho to leave. I think he is giving the first option a shot. Let's see how the players respond in the coming weeks.


Good that we are on the same page on Mourinho, player power and poor attitude must be crushed urgently

Benteke, don’t get me wrong. I don’t have any problem with player power as it could be properly channeled towards achieving success by creating an environment where everyone is happy to be part of the team. However, I am with you on poor attitude.

I support Mourinho vs Pogba in expectation that he should earn his pay as the manager. We have to understand that Pogba had no issue like this at Juventus & the French National team. So it’s on Mourinho, who has a history of destructive tendencies, to earn his paycheck and resolve this issue as the manager. He must assert his authority, define a way forward then get his players on board. How he is going to do this is not my problem - he is the one earning millions a year as manager of Manchester United :mrgreen:

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They just had another drama having a go at each other in training this morning :lol:

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...haha, United lost to Derby county coached by former Chelsea star :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Bigmanism on the rise, no be only SE players o :laugh:


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They just had another drama having a go at each other in training this morning :lol:

I'm beginning to think the rhyme "London Bridge......." is actually Manchester United :D

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Pogba will not fall into line, that world cup was a game changer for him, he knows his power and is using it now, he has never had issues with former managers so why Mourinho? why does Mourinho fall out with star players from Hazard, Ronaldo,Robben, Pogba, Ramos? everywhere he has been in the last 5 years has just been destruction

lets see who ends up winning, united will demand a hefty fee for Pogba but at this rate i am not sure of his replacement, these top players will refuse to be coached by Mourinho, in fact thats why he cannot attract any star names, why will they want to come and play defensive football?

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Pogba will not fall into line, that world cup was a game changer for him, he knows his power and is using it now, he has never had issues with former managers so why Mourinho? why does Mourinho fall out with star players from Hazard, Ronaldo,Robben, Pogba, Ramos? everywhere he has been in the last 5 years has just been destruction

lets see who ends up winning, united will demand a hefty fee for Pogba but at this rate i am not sure of his replacement, these top players will refuse to be coached by Mourinho, in fact thats why he cannot attract any star names, why will they want to come and play defensive football?
Why would ManU let Pogba go, when Mourinho is about to go anyway?
Unless Pogba downs his tools and demands a trade, ManU will not sell.

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This is the guy who said at a press conference that his own player (Eto'o) is probably 40 years old !!! WTF is wrong with this fool? His style has run out ... He was lucky to have unlimited budgets and great players. Otherwise, he is an arrogant jerk.
The man has no style of play ...
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Pogba will not fall into line, that world cup was a game changer for him, he knows his power and is using it now, he has never had issues with former managers so why Mourinho? why does Mourinho fall out with star players from Hazard, Ronaldo,Robben, Pogba, Ramos? everywhere he has been in the last 5 years has just been destruction

lets see who ends up winning, united will demand a hefty fee for Pogba but at this rate i am not sure of his replacement, these top players will refuse to be coached by Mourinho, in fact thats why he cannot attract any star names, why will they want to come and play defensive football?


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How come a rich club like Manu signing a lot of waste pipe?I mean a club like Manu should be having the bes team in England at worst with super youth system and a cool head manager.Look how Liverpool buying players and how they play their game.....
Look who is playing their LB and RB position,i mean the cost of Pogba alone is the price of Salah,Mane and the Brazilian striker


That is exactly my point, why would you want a world Cup star whose heart is not at the club and will spend his time dragging his #$% around and stinking up the atmosphere, yet you can see Liverpool goes for some small names who will kill to be on their bench, and they work very hard on the pitch.


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benteke wrote:
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How come a rich club like Manu signing a lot of waste pipe?I mean a club like Manu should be having the bes team in England at worst with super youth system and a cool head manager.Look how Liverpool buying players and how they play their game.....
Look who is playing their LB and RB position,i mean the cost of Pogba alone is the price of Salah,Mane and the Brazilian striker


That is exactly my point, why would you want a world Cup star whose heart is not at the club and will spend his time dragging his #$% around and stinking up the atmosphere, yet you can see Liverpool goes for some small names who will kill to be on their bench, and they work very hard on the pitch.

One of the things your club can do is get a manager that believe in youth.Zidan if you guys can beg him it will be a gold.Pay him 30 million a year.He will bring you world class youth players from France.Folks like Pogba will shape up and beg to even be on the bench.He has won everything any player in Manu will dream and been name world best.Look how he transform Real and Hazard was begging him to sign him and he will take pay cut .As soon as he step down Hazard sign extension at Chelsea.


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kajifu wrote:
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kajifu wrote:
How come a rich club like Manu signing a lot of waste pipe?I mean a club like Manu should be having the bes team in England at worst with super youth system and a cool head manager.Look how Liverpool buying players and how they play their game.....
Look who is playing their LB and RB position,i mean the cost of Pogba alone is the price of Salah,Mane and the Brazilian striker


That is exactly my point, why would you want a world Cup star whose heart is not at the club and will spend his time dragging his #$% around and stinking up the atmosphere, yet you can see Liverpool goes for some small names who will kill to be on their bench, and they work very hard on the pitch.

One of the things your club can do is get a manager that believe in youth.Zidan if you guys can beg him it will be a gold.Pay him 30 million a year.He will bring you world class youth players from France.Folks like Pogba will shape up and beg to even be on the bench.He has won everything any player in Manu will dream and been name world best.Look how he transform Real and Hazard was begging him to sign him and he will take pay cut .As soon as he step down Hazard sign extension at Chelsea.


Players will respect Zidane because of what he has achieved in football, even Pogbe will fall into line because Zidane has been a winner at all levels of football

Zidane is an advocate for attacking football, that is what we need right now

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The failure to start Pereira (the best player in pre-season and the most talented of the fringe players) against Derby was head scratching. Very strange that Man Utd felt the need to play a World Cup winner, World Cup finalist, World Cup semi-finalist, and a Champions League winner. Truly baffling.

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We have several fringe players in the squad, i watch highlights of our under 19s, there are some talented players, i can pick out a player call Gomez, these carabao cups should be an opportunity to try these players, i could careless if we lose to Derby with these up and coming players, city, liverpool, arsenal and a host of other teams use such players in these low rated cup games

why does Mourinho have to use the 1st team in these cup games and for what purpose, why is he so *hellbent* on winning these cups, when you lose against a team like Derby, all the wrong headlines start cropping up

The board need to sort out this mess sooner rather than later, they cant hope things go right, they cant hope we will go back to winning 7 games on a trot

right now morale is low! if Pogba is this issue, get rid of him, but for my earlier points, this will not happen, right now we have a manager that is clueless and that is the big problem


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The failure to start Pereira (the best player in pre-season and the most talented of the fringe players) against Derby was head scratching. Very strange that Man Utd felt the need to play a World Cup winner, World Cup finalist, World Cup semi-finalist, and a Champions League winner, was truly baffling.

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We have several fringe players in the squad, i watch highlights of our under 19s, there are some talented players, i can pick out a player call Gomez, these carabao cups should be an opportunity to try these players, i could careless if we lose to Derby with these up and coming players, city, liverpool, arsenal and a host of other teams use such players in these low rated cup games

why does Mourinho have to use the 1st team in these cup games and for what purpose, why is he so *hellbent* on winning these cups, when you lose against a team like Derby, all the wrong headlines start cropping up

The board need to sort out this mess sooner rather than later, they cant hope things go right, they cant hope we will go back to winning 7 games on a trot

right now morale is low! if Pogba is this issue, get rid of him, but for my earlier points, this will not happen, right now we have a manager that is clueless and that is the big problem


Exactly what i think as well, why dont he play with more hungry fringe players, whats the pressure to win at all costs especially these caraboa competitions, what a perfect time to see if there are any players that can step up, not Mourinho, youth dont get a look in, ships them out on loan, its so embarrasing when you lose with your 1st team players!

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marko wrote:

Exactly what i think as well, why dont he play with more hungry fringe players, whats the pressure to win at all costs especially these caraboa competitions, what a perfect time to see if there are any players that can step up, not Mourinho, youth dont get a look in, ships them out on loan, its so embarrasing when you lose with your 1st team players!



Because he is under pressure.
He is now desperate to win any game even carabao cup.
I remember Van Gaal also being desperate and getting knocked out of Carling Cup by MK Dons after fielding a strong team.

Then we have a resurgent West Ham away next. The pressure mounts. What to do with Pogba.


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Exactly what i think as well, why dont he play with more hungry fringe players, whats the pressure to win at all costs especially these caraboa competitions, what a perfect time to see if there are any players that can step up, not Mourinho, youth dont get a look in, ships them out on loan, its so embarrasing when you lose with your 1st team players!



Because he is under pressure.
He is now desperate to win any game even carabao cup.
I remember Van Gaal also being desperate and getting knocked out of Carling Cup by MK Dons after fielding a strong team.

Then we have a resurgent West Ham away next. The pressure mounts. What to do with Pogba.


Pogba is not the problem, he is the only senior player man enough to question Mourinho tactics! the rest are just cowards and hide, Mourinho tactics are clearly not working, the players are not buying into his ideas

This calls for him to be flexible, he has to get them back to winning ways, these guys dont want to play for him anymore, yes he is desperate, even in desperation, he cant beat a lower division side, what does that tell you?

Pogba did not play, if he did, he will bear the brunt of the criticisms, what does this tell you? Pogba is not the issue, Mourinho coaching method are outdated

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Exactly what i think as well, why dont he play with more hungry fringe players, whats the pressure to win at all costs especially these caraboa competitions, what a perfect time to see if there are any players that can step up, not Mourinho, youth dont get a look in, ships them out on loan, its so embarrasing when you lose with your 1st team players!



Because he is under pressure.
He is now desperate to win any game even carabao cup.
I remember Van Gaal also being desperate and getting knocked out of Carling Cup by MK Dons after fielding a strong team.

Then we have a resurgent West Ham away next. The pressure mounts. What to do with Pogba.


Pogba is not the problem, he is the only senior player man enough to question Mourinho tactics! the rest are just cowards and hide, Mourinho tactics are clearly not working, the players are not buying into his ideas

This calls for him to be flexible, he has to get them back to winning ways, these guys dont want to play for him anymore, yes he is desperate, even in desperation, he cant beat a lower division side, what does that tell you?

Pogba did not play, if he did, he will bear the brunt of the criticisms, what does this tell you? Pogba is not the issue, Mourinho coaching method are outdated

KPOM!
This is an old coaching trick. When the team is not doing well, pick on one player you think can handle the criticism and go for it. The player takes one for the team and draws attention away from the real problem.

It actually works but occasionally it backfires, usually when the target refuses to play along. :)

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Kabalega wrote:
marko wrote:
benteke wrote:
marko wrote:

Exactly what i think as well, why dont he play with more hungry fringe players, whats the pressure to win at all costs especially these caraboa competitions, what a perfect time to see if there are any players that can step up, not Mourinho, youth dont get a look in, ships them out on loan, its so embarrasing when you lose with your 1st team players!



Because he is under pressure.
He is now desperate to win any game even carabao cup.
I remember Van Gaal also being desperate and getting knocked out of Carling Cup by MK Dons after fielding a strong team.

Then we have a resurgent West Ham away next. The pressure mounts. What to do with Pogba.


Pogba is not the problem, he is the only senior player man enough to question Mourinho tactics! the rest are just cowards and hide, Mourinho tactics are clearly not working, the players are not buying into his ideas

This calls for him to be flexible, he has to get them back to winning ways, these guys dont want to play for him anymore, yes he is desperate, even in desperation, he cant beat a lower division side, what does that tell you?

Pogba did not play, if he did, he will bear the brunt of the criticisms, what does this tell you? Pogba is not the issue, Mourinho coaching method are outdated

KPOM!
This is an old coaching trick. When the team is not doing well, pick on one player you think can handle the criticism and go for it. The player takes one for the team and draws attention away from the real problem.

It actually works but occasionally it backfires, usually when the target refuses to play along. :)


Phil Jones was the fall guy this time, united should have won that game during 90 mins, today the headlines read, Mourinho fall out with Pogba, menawhile the real headline should have been, Mourinho cannot beat a lower division side, somehow this has been side tracked, the real issue has been ignored, i hope he does not pick Pogba on saturday again, Pogba should not be the fall guy for his erratic coaching methods

now pundits are suggesting rashford has to leave to realise his potential, i actually think its true, Spurs should suit him, Mourinho will never develop his game

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marko wrote:
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Exactly what i think as well, why dont he play with more hungry fringe players, whats the pressure to win at all costs especially these caraboa competitions, what a perfect time to see if there are any players that can step up, not Mourinho, youth dont get a look in, ships them out on loan, its so embarrasing when you lose with your 1st team players!



Because he is under pressure.
He is now desperate to win any game even carabao cup.
I remember Van Gaal also being desperate and getting knocked out of Carling Cup by MK Dons after fielding a strong team.

Then we have a resurgent West Ham away next. The pressure mounts. What to do with Pogba.


Pogba is not the problem, he is the only senior player man enough to question Mourinho tactics! the rest are just cowards and hide, Mourinho tactics are clearly not working, the players are not buying into his ideas

This calls for him to be flexible, he has to get them back to winning ways, these guys dont want to play for him anymore, yes he is desperate, even in desperation, he cant beat a lower division side, what does that tell you?

Pogba did not play, if he did, he will bear the brunt of the criticisms, what does this tell you? Pogba is not the issue, Mourinho coaching method are outdated


I was just wondering what Mourinho will do about Pogba this weekend amidst all this controversy, the media will be waiting eagerly for his press conference to hear whether he will start or drop Pogba.
And they will be waiting for the West Ham game.


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benteke wrote:
marko wrote:
benteke wrote:
marko wrote:

Exactly what i think as well, why dont he play with more hungry fringe players, whats the pressure to win at all costs especially these caraboa competitions, what a perfect time to see if there are any players that can step up, not Mourinho, youth dont get a look in, ships them out on loan, its so embarrasing when you lose with your 1st team players!



Because he is under pressure.
He is now desperate to win any game even carabao cup.
I remember Van Gaal also being desperate and getting knocked out of Carling Cup by MK Dons after fielding a strong team.

Then we have a resurgent West Ham away next. The pressure mounts. What to do with Pogba.


Pogba is not the problem, he is the only senior player man enough to question Mourinho tactics! the rest are just cowards and hide, Mourinho tactics are clearly not working, the players are not buying into his ideas

This calls for him to be flexible, he has to get them back to winning ways, these guys dont want to play for him anymore, yes he is desperate, even in desperation, he cant beat a lower division side, what does that tell you?

Pogba did not play, if he did, he will bear the brunt of the criticisms, what does this tell you? Pogba is not the issue, Mourinho coaching method are outdated


I was just wondering what Mourinho will do about Pogba this weekend amidst all this controversy, the media will be waiting eagerly for his press conference to hear whether he will start or drop Pogba.
And they will be waiting for the West Ham game.

What if he doesn't start Pogba? In fact, Pogba should be happy not to play because this is not about Pogba.

Mourinho is just trying to use him. If you look at the video, Pogba is asking at the end, what did I do? What is going on? He was probably pissed off at the beginning because Mourinho refused to shake his hand for no reason.

It was all for show on Mourinho's part but the gullible fans fell for it.

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No. It was the other way around. LVG fielded a weak team when he did not have to (Man U had no fixture congestion and were not in the Champions League - so he could/should have fielded a strong side). Man U's starting 11 that day was:

David de Gea, Marnick Vermij, Reece James, Anderson, Jonny Evans, Michael Keane, Saidy Janko, Nick Powell, Shinji Kagawa, Javier Hernandez, Danny Welbeck (the subs who came on were Januzaj, Pereira, and Wilson).


Of that starting 11, only DDG was still at the club 1 year after that result. LVG just cleared out the squad.

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Because he is under pressure.
He is now desperate to win any game even carabao cup.
I remember Van Gaal also being desperate and getting knocked out of Carling Cup by MK Dons after fielding a strong team.

Then we have a resurgent West Ham away next. The pressure mounts. What to do with Pogba.


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Mourinho is under pressure, he might decide to drop Pogba just to prove a point that he is still in control, once the other players take Pogba side, Mourinho is on his way out

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