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wiseone wrote:Man Utd's record since Carrick returned to the team:

6 wins in 6 games
13 goals scored
3 goals conceded

Man Utd's record before Carrick returned to the team:

3 wins in 10 games
17 goals conceded
14 goals scored

benteke wrote:

wiseone wrote:Man Utd's record since Carrick returned to the team:

6 wins in 6 games
13 goals scored
3 goals conceded

Man Utd's record before Carrick returned to the team:

3 wins in 10 games
17 goals conceded
14 goals scored

this is the kind of thing i am talking about

now if i may ask you a question, ever since Carrick came back, has the defending improved to brilliant levels potrayed by those stats ?
Those stats suggest that Man Utd is now a very defensively solid side because of the return of Carrick, and i say thats not the case

This Carrick hype is not convincing me

bamenda boy wrote:

benteke wrote:

wiseone wrote:Man Utd's record since Carrick returned to the team:

6 wins in 6 games
13 goals scored
3 goals conceded

Man Utd's record before Carrick returned to the team:

3 wins in 10 games
17 goals conceded
14 goals scored

this is the kind of thing i am talking about

now if i may ask you a question, ever since Carrick came back, has the defending improved to brilliant levels potrayed by those stats ?
Those stats suggest that Man Utd is now a very defensively solid side because of the return of Carrick, and i say thats not the case

This Carrick hype is not convincing me

Degea has been saving out butt to be honest with you.

Man Utd: 'Michael Carrick the catalyst for their return to form'

David De Gea's saves will grab the headlines but Michael Carrick played a big part in Manchester United's 3-0 victory over Liverpool and it does not surprise me that they have now won all six games since he returned to their starting line-up after injury.

Carrick is probably used to playing well and seeing other players get the plaudits, but you can tell how much his team-mates value him.
United striker Robin van Persie said after Sunday's game that Carrick made the difference at the back because he was so confident on the ball and helped to calm the whole defence. That sums it up.


Carrick sets the tempo on a regular basis for United, only he is usually operating in central midfield rather than at centre-back, as he was against Liverpool.
He has the attributes to play in both positions, though, and the only problem he gives United boss Louis van Gaal is that there is only one of him - at the moment Van Gaal would probably love to play him at the back and in midfield too.

Carrick is very under-rated outside of Old Trafford but he clearly has a huge influence on United.
Sometimes, with players like him, you only realise how important they are when they don't play. I think his absence really showed that at the start of this season, especially with this United team being so uncertain at the back.
Now he is fit, he brings them the stability they were missing, partly through his passing ability which helps to set the team's tempo.
He helps keep the team ticking over by picking the right pass and spreading play like he did against Liverpool.

Carrick vs Liverpool
Carrick touched the ball 59 times, and made 52 passes with a completion rate of 90.4%
Carrick understands that, whether you are playing centre-back or central midfield, you have to react to what is happening on the pitch.
He is not a player who plays to the crowd by trying the spectacular, instead he plays for the team - which is why his team-mates appreciate him so much.
The way he plays, you know he is always available and ready for the ball. And, if you give it to him then, nine times out of 10, he will retain possession.

Carrick's main strengths are on the ball, but he can tackle too and he made a few vital challenges against Liverpool.
Yes, it probably suited him in the first half on Sunday that Liverpool boss Brendan Rodgers picked a side without a recognised centre-forward.

That still meant he had to deal with Reds forward Raheem Sterling, who is lightning quick. Carrick is not the fastest but he never looked out of position as the middle centre-back in a three-man back-line, which tells you about his awareness and positional sense.

He is the sort of player that you can rely on, and one that you always know what you are getting from.
I remember coming up against him when he came through at West Ham and then moved to Tottenham, and I have always rated him.

Many years ago, I thought England were making a mistake not building a team around him and he has gone on to become the best defensive midfielder that they have had in the last 15 years.
Yes, he has gone to major tournaments with England but he has only won 31 caps.
At 32 he is now nearing the end of his career, but I am surprised he was never given more of a chance on the international stage.

wiseone wrote:Carrick (next to DDG) has been Man Utd's best player in the past 6 games. He is the type of player under-appreciated by fans because he doesn't run around charging like a headless chicken, and doesn't dribble past 2 players then blast the ball 20 yards into the stand (AKA the type of player who excites fans but does not provide much to the team).

Carrick rarely gives the ball away, always "shows" for the ball and collects it from defenders, and relieves pressure off his defence by spreading the play and keeping possession. This is the type of thing that the average football fan does not "see". It takes an "educated football eye" to spot things like that. That is why the likes of Neville, Didi Hamann, and Carragher (who have played in Champions League finals and the World Cup) keep raving about how important Carrick is, while fans think he is crud.

This is what Dietmar Hamman said about him today:
http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/30472067

marko wrote:Having a calmong effect on the pitch in intense situations is a skill, how people ate questioning all the accolades he has been getting shows they dont really know much about the game

marko wrote:Having a calmong effect on the pitch in intense situations is a skill, how people ate questioning all the accolades he has been getting shows they dont really know much about the game

benteke wrote:

marko wrote:Having a calmong effect on the pitch in intense situations is a skill, how people ate questioning all the accolades he has been getting shows they dont really know much about the game

that calm is missing from Man Utd in the last 4 games, despite the wins mind you, hence why im wondering why people are praising someone for the very thing that is missing in the team at the moment

wiseone wrote:Because the lack of calm exists in others, not Carrick individually.

Carrick is not responsible for Jonny Evans playing a brainless "back pass" straight to an opposition attacker ,or 19 yo Paddy McNair repeatedly passing the ball to footballers that don't play for Man Utd. Carrick is however responsible for completing over 90% of his own passes, and keeping the ball away from some of his less accurate team mates before they do something insane with it.

benteke wrote:

marko wrote:Having a calmong effect on the pitch in intense situations is a skill, how people ate questioning all the accolades he has been getting shows they dont really know much about the game

that calm is missing from Man Utd in the last 4 games, despite the wins mind you, hence why im wondering why people are praising someone for the very thing that is missing in the team at the moment

benteke wrote:[

by the way that Evans back-pass incident , when you look at it agin, dont you think Carrick is also part-culpable ?

tfco wrote:McNair is young and still learning
Evans has plateaued, nothing will change with him

I have my doubts abouts Tyler Blackett too, but we go see

bamenda boy wrote:Two players we need to sigh. Alex Song, and Bahimi.

marko wrote: funny enough we beat liverpool with majority of Alex Ferguson side except Mata and Fellaini, if Van gaal can get more than 100% from the players each week, we will definitely finish top 4, we might not be playing well but that confidence factor winning 6 games on the trot is very important for the team, people seem to have forgotten its the same man united that have won 20 titles!!

wiseone wrote:Yes, the odd thing about the Liverpool game is that the entire starting 11 was available to Moyes last season. None of the LVG signing started the game (Di Maria, Shaw, Rojo, Blind, Herrera, Falcao).

When I think about it, Moyes had a better squad than SAF had. Moyes had SAF's squad PLUS the best player from Chelsea, and the best player from Everton.

marko wrote: funny enough we beat liverpool with majority of Alex Ferguson side except Mata and Fellaini, if Van gaal can get more than 100% from the players each week, we will definitely finish top 4, we might not be playing well but that confidence factor winning 6 games on the trot is very important for the team, people seem to have forgotten its the same man united that have won 20 titles!!

wiseone wrote:Good grief. Please never say that again. I do not want that unreliable maniac Song anywhere near Man Utd. The guy is a bomb scare.

bamenda boy wrote:Two players we need to sigh. Alex Song, and Bahimi.

YemiBrazil wrote: I like Song though - should be a good fit for the current Man Utd. I agree that Song na real 'bomb scare' but I don't think United are strangers to 'maniacal' players anyway - just channel it to the full benefit of the team.

wiseone wrote:Good grief. Please never say that again. I do not want that unreliable maniac Song anywhere near Man Utd. The guy is a bomb scare.

bamenda boy wrote:Two players we need to sigh. Alex Song, and Bahimi.

wiseone wrote:How can Carrick be responsible for Jonny Evans playing an insane bouncing 40 yard back pass to his own GK with the fastest opposition player in the EPL lurking nearby?!

Good grief, you really have it in for Carrick!

wiseone wrote:Is it a coincidence that Man Utd put together a winning streak and climbed up the table AFTER Carrick's return to the team?

wiseone wrote:Man Utd's record since Carrick returned to the team:

6 wins in 6 games
13 goals scored
3 goals conceded

Man Utd's record before Carrick returned to the team:

3 wins in 10 games
17 goals conceded
14 goals scored

wiseone wrote:The mercurial players like Keane, Cantona, and CR7 were tolerated at Man Utd because their match winning abilities made up for the odd tantrum, red card, or flying kick into the crowd! In Song's case he is not a match winner. So you end up with a player that is a headache and does not win matches = liability.

If I was the manager of Cameroon I'd never pick him again after what he did here:

YemiBrazil wrote: I like Song though - should be a good fit for the current Man Utd. I agree that Song na real 'bomb scare' but I don't think United are strangers to 'maniacal' players anyway - just channel it to the full benefit of the team.