ADAM JOHNSON IN STATUTORY RAPE SOUP

[Ipe Grams]

Is girl claiming he raped her??. girl family just using style to collect money. how can they prove statutory rape if the girl had told him she was 17??
Johnson should be ok

i dont know about the UK, but statutory rape is generally a strict liability offense. It doesn't matter what she told him, if she is 15, and he slept with her, he would be guilty if they have that same standard there.

But there are extenuating circmstances. Lets say you sleep with a 15 year old you met in a pub or nightclub. Even though technically they can still prosecute you could argue that by being in an establishment that or should enforce no under 18 policy, it is reasonable to assume the girl and everyone in it is 18 and over

Wow! there is no extenuating circumstances whether he knew or din't know here age, whether she din't look 15 and looked older it's no defence in court.

[Ipe Grams]

Is girl claiming he raped her??. girl family just using style to collect money. how can they prove statutory rape if the girl had told him she was 17??
Johnson should be ok

i dont know about the UK, but statutory rape is generally a strict liability offense. It doesn't matter what she told him, if she is 15, and he slept with her, he would be guilty if they have that same standard there.

That's what I thought too...

So how do you expect him to know or proof she was 15 before doing it – Or was he expected to ask her for ID -

It doesn't matter as once he's done it knowing her age or not knowing her age is no defence.

[Coach]

Brethren, before hastily arriving at the conclusion that daddy, with dollar sign eyeballs, is thinking about the monetary might of such a matter, let relativity lend to argument. How many here, on learning that a fully grown man has been flopping out his pokemon to tuck in to your under-aged daughter's gongo aso, would do differently?

[Ebyboy]

Dis Coach sef............
A girl that young cannot possibly have a "gongo aso".
More like a kitty kat or something.

[Super Eagle]

Is girl claiming he raped her??. girl family just using style to collect money. how can they prove statutory rape if the girl had told him she was 17??
Johnson should be ok

Ignorance of the law is not an excuse for crime. So it really doesn't matter how old she claimed to be, if she's underage then it's statutory rape. It's your responsibility to find out her true age before you bang her!

But my question is, how can it be statutory rape if she's 15? Shebi the age of consent in all of EU countries is 14 years???

[aykwes8]

But he was good
How did he not make it at man city?

[wiseone]

Yep. It does not matter if Adam believed she was 50 years old (or if the girl had grey hair). If she was only 15 when he slept with her - he will be convicted.

Is girl claiming he raped her??. girl family just using style to collect money. how can they prove statutory rape if the girl had told him she was 17??
Johnson should be ok

i dont know about the UK, but statutory rape is generally a strict liability offense. It doesn't matter what she told him, if she is 15, and he slept with her, he would be guilty if they have that same standard there.

[pajimoh]

Rape to me connotes an act of sexual intercourse that is not consensual. While the definition is much broader than this simplified form to include underage sex, it is madness, just because the law says it, to accuse a man of rape if

1. it's Consensual and
2. The female involved, in this particular case, looks older than 15 that any reasonable man/woman would not suspect her to be under 16.

It means people would have to start producing birth cert before intercourse.

Since some people who are older can actually look quite young and vise versa.

Rape should be non consensual or KNOWING the person involved is under the age of consent

[toyin133]

Rape to me connotes an act of sexual intercourse that is not consensual. While the definition is much broader than this simplified form to include underage sex, it is madness, just because the law says it, to accuse a man of rape if

1. it's Consensual and
2. The female involved, in this particular case, looks older than 15 that any reasonable man/woman would not suspect her to be under 16.

It means people would have to start producing birth cert before intercourse.

Since some people who are older can actually look quite young and vise versa.

Rape should be non consensual or KNOWING the person involved is under the age of consent

Then you had better start asking for birth certificate because irrespective of how old she looks you will be convicted of rape as long as she is under the age of consent. The "circumstances" ie how old she looks or where you met her will determine the kind of sentence but not whether you get convicted.

[mcal]

Is girl claiming he raped her??. girl family just using style to collect money. how can they prove statutory rape if the girl had told him she was 17??
Johnson should be ok

i dont know about the UK, but statutory rape is generally a strict liability offense. It doesn't matter what she told him, if she is 15, and he slept with her, he would be guilty if they have that same standard there.

...so always check id before

[wiseone]

That is why it is "statutory" rape. The point the law makes is that a girl under 16 is incapable of giving valid consent to sex because she is too immature. That is why 16 is called "the age of consent". Under the same principle juveniles cannot be convicted of crimes or sent to adult prison because the law presumes them too young to know what they are doing. If the law did not have these red lines, adults would sleep with 5 year olds and claim that the child "consented".

Rape to me connotes an act of sexual intercourse that is not consensual. While the definition is much broader than this simplified form to include underage sex, it is madness, just because the law says it, to accuse a man of rape if

1. it's Consensual and
2. The female involved, in this particular case, looks older than 15 that any reasonable man/woman would not suspect her to be under 16.

It means people would have to start producing birth cert before intercourse.

Since some people who are older can actually look quite young and vise versa.

Rape should be non consensual or KNOWING the person involved is under the age of consent

[walesvilla]

so if a Boy of 15yrs sleeps with woman of 22yrs - is that also statutory rape??

[pajimoh]

You're still missing the point I'm trying to make. I whole heartedly believe children and minor need to be protected.

Here's a scenario where you've gone out and met what you assume is a nice lady. She looks mature so you don't have any reason to doubt she's under 16 and maybe she even lied during conversation that she's 23 or something.

Then something happened between the two of you, consensual. You later got a knock at your door a few weeks later saying you slept with a minor and as such you're a rapist.

You are not ignorant of the law because had she looked under age or even confirmed is under age, you'd back off but in this case nature and the girl herself deceived you.

Rape in my view is a strong word in this case. It practically puts you in the same bracket as those who go out to force themselves on others.

Yes it should be punishable but it should not be rape

That is why it is "statutory" rape. The point the law makes is that a girl under 16 is incapable of giving valid consent to sex because she is too immature. That is why 16 is called "the age of consent". Under the same principle juveniles cannot be convicted of crimes or sent to adult prison because the law presumes then too young to know what they are doing. If the law did not have these red lines, adults would sleep with 5 year olds and claim that the child "consented".

Rape to me connotes an act of sexual intercourse that is not consensual. While the definition is much broader than this simplified form to include underage sex, it is madness, just because the law says it, to accuse a man of rape if

1. it's Consensual and
2. The female involved, in this particular case, looks older than 15 that any reasonable man/woman would not suspect her to be under 16.

It means people would have to start producing birth cert before intercourse.

Since some people who are older can actually look quite young and vise versa.

Rape should be non consensual or KNOWING the person involved is under the age of consent

[anointed]

so if a Boy of 15yrs sleeps with woman of 22yrs - is that also statutory rape??

Yes

[walesvilla]

so if a Boy of 15yrs sleeps with woman of 22yrs - is that also statutory rape??

Yes

what if woman try to use rape as her a get out joker card??

[Comrade Machel]

You're still missing the point I'm trying to make. I whole heartedly believe children and minor need to be protected.

Here's a scenario where you've gone out and met what you assume is a nice lady. She looks mature so you don't have any reason to doubt she's under 16 and maybe she even lied during conversation that she's 23 or something.

Then something happened between the two of you, consensual. You later got a knock at your door a few weeks later saying you slept with a minor and as such you're a rapist.

You are not ignorant of the law because had she looked under age or even confirmed is under age, you'd back off but in this case nature and the girl herself deceived you.

Rape in my view is a strong word in this case. It practically puts you in the same bracket as those who go out to force themselves on others.

Yes it should be punishable but it should not be rape

That is why it is "statutory" rape. The point the law makes is that a girl under 16 is incapable of giving valid consent to sex because she is too immature. That is why 16 is called "the age of consent". Under the same principle juveniles cannot be convicted of crimes or sent to adult prison because the law presumes then too young to know what they are doing. If the law did not have these red lines, adults would sleep with 5 year olds and claim that the child "consented".

Rape to me connotes an act of sexual intercourse that is not consensual. While the definition is much broader than this simplified form to include underage sex, it is madness, just because the law says it, to accuse a man of rape if

1. it's Consensual and
2. The female involved, in this particular case, looks older than 15 that any reasonable man/woman would not suspect her to be under 16.

It means people would have to start producing birth cert before intercourse.

Since some people who are older can actually look quite young and vise versa.

Rape should be non consensual or KNOWING the person involved is under the age of consent

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Thank you. Finish. Klaar
It is simply unfair to convict some of these men. The premise of the law there is that at 15 years 11 months a girl is not mature enough to consent. But a month later when she is 16 her maturity suddenly leaps to allow consent. Nonsense This is a case where the spirit rather than the letter of the law should prevail. Police officer should exercise his discretion before pulling out handcuffs

[wiseone]

Yep.
The only difference is that male convicts of statutory rape usually tend to be punished more harshly than their female counterparts. e.g. female teachers who sleep with teenage boys usually get sentences far more lenient than e.g. a 25 yo man who sleeps with a 15 yo.

so if a Boy of 15yrs sleeps with woman of 22yrs - is that also statutory rape??

[wiseone]

I know that a man may innocently fall foul of this law if he genuinely believes that the girl is an adult. I am not arguing the morals of it. Rather I was merely stating the mechanical way the law views the issue - AKA strict liability.

You're still missing the point I'm trying to make. I whole heartedly believe children and minor need to be protected.

Here's a scenario where you've gone out and met what you assume is a nice lady. She looks mature so you don't have any reason to doubt she's under 16 and maybe she even lied during conversation that she's 23 or something.

Then something happened between the two of you, consensual. You later got a knock at your door a few weeks later saying you slept with a minor and as such you're a rapist.

You are not ignorant of the law because had she looked under age or even confirmed is under age, you'd back off but in this case nature and the girl herself deceived you.

Rape in my view is a strong word in this case. It practically puts you in the same bracket as those who go out to force themselves on others.

Yes it should be punishable but it should not be rape

[Mr. Piffington]

Rape to me connotes an act of sexual intercourse that is not consensual. While the definition is much broader than this simplified form to include underage sex, it is madness, just because the law says it, to accuse a man of rape if

1. it's Consensual and
2. The female involved, in this particular case, looks older than 15 that any reasonable man/woman would not suspect her to be under 16.

It means people would have to start producing birth cert before intercourse.

Since some people who are older can actually look quite young and vise versa.

Rape should be non consensual or KNOWING the person involved is under the age of consent

They need to just get on with it and ban fornication all together. Some of these laws are ridiculous.

I don't subscribe to underage sex but there are situations were young girls genuinely look older than their age.

[Mr. Piffington]

so if a Boy of 15yrs sleeps with woman of 22yrs - is that also statutory rape??

Yes, I believe so.

[mcal]

so if a Boy of 15yrs sleeps with woman of 22yrs - is that also statutory rape??

Yes, I believe so.

...yes but punishment lesser. Many happening at USA high schools, women teachers on boys.

[benteke]

what is Adam Johnson's side of the story, i can see a picture there of him and the girl, it would seem he knew her prior to the event.

Now isnt it treading on murky waters even if say a girl is 16 or 17, already as a guy you pushing it with such young types and in high danger of being lied to, especially since we all agree that the laws are ridiculous.

[Kabalega]

The moral of the story here is that men should only shag intelligent girls/women with good hearts.

Anything else, is just asking for trouble.