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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 2:08 pm 
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He didn't play much at Espanyol. In fact he was snapped up after only a handful of games. Five to be exact. This was his first stint at any top level so of course he'd continue to improve. At Villarreal he started to show signs that he could be elite but at Man U, he's been elite. IMO at least. The stats also suppoo this. His passing percentage, won tackles etc all point to this. He is also great at dealing with elite attackers.

I am quite sure Barca scouted him

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I did, in the two clubs he played for. Improved greatly at Villareal, but was never elite talent.
My views remain. He doesn't and never had the level for what is expected of a CB at Barca.


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Didn't you watch Bailly in La Liga? He is an excellent passer up there with the likes of Stones. He is at 86 percent. Umtiti is at 92 percent but think the difference is Umtiti gets more shorter passing opps at Barca. Bailly could have thrived at Barca too

But like he I said they are all very good. Let's see how it plays out long term

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Not cut and dry that Bailly is better than Laporte or Umtiti. It will take a while to make that determination. But as it stands, they are all very good defenders


It is, actually, re-Umtiti.

The Barcelona philosophy places a much, much higher demand on the CD than United's.

At Barca, the CD doesn't just have to stop an attack, he has to recover the ball technically, without loss of possession, in order to function as the foundation of the attacking game and of ball possession.

Few EPL defenders have the ability to do that.

Doesn't necessarily make them bad defenders; just of a lower technical level...

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He didn't play much at Espanyol. In fact he was snapped up after only a handful of games. Five to be exact. This was his first stint at any top level so of course he'd continue to improve. At Villarreal he started to show signs that he could be elite but at Man U, he's been elite. IMO at least. The stats also suppoo this. His passing percentage, won tackles etc all point to this. He is also great at dealing with elite attackers.

I am quite sure Barca scouted him

txj wrote:
I did, in the two clubs he played for. Improved greatly at Villareal, but was never elite talent.
My views remain. He doesn't and never had the level for what is expected of a CB at Barca.


YUJAM wrote:
Didn't you watch Bailly in La Liga? He is an excellent passer up there with the likes of Stones. He is at 86 percent. Umtiti is at 92 percent but think the difference is Umtiti gets more shorter passing opps at Barca. Bailly could have thrived at Barca too

But like he I said they are all very good. Let's see how it plays out long term

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YUJAM wrote:
Not cut and dry that Bailly is better than Laporte or Umtiti. It will take a while to make that determination. But as it stands, they are all very good defenders


It is, actually, re-Umtiti.

The Barcelona philosophy places a much, much higher demand on the CD than United's.

At Barca, the CD doesn't just have to stop an attack, he has to recover the ball technically, without loss of possession, in order to function as the foundation of the attacking game and of ball possession.

Few EPL defenders have the ability to do that.

Doesn't necessarily make them bad defenders; just of a lower technical level...


He's done well so far, but elite is stretching it; much as one admires the Umbuntu thingy on here...Wouldn't even class Skriniar or Umtiti elite just yet; and both are well ahead of him this season. I suspect he may need to alter his approach a bit to stay healthy for extended stretches...

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YemiBrazil wrote:
txj wrote:
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Not cut and dry that Bailly is better than Laporte or Umtiti. It will take a while to make that determination. But as it stands, they are all very good defenders


It is, actually.

The Barcelona philosophy places a much, much higher demand on the CD than United's.

At Barca, the CD doesn't just have to stop an attack, he has to recover the ball technically, without loss of possession, in order to function as the foundation of the attacking game and of ball possession.

Few EPL defenders have the ability to do that.

Doesn't necessarily make them bad defenders; just of a lower technical level...

Arrant nonsense :lol: :lol:


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 4:26 pm 
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Chairman Bailly is head, shoulder and stomach above Umtiti, Skriniar, Laporte etc without any question.

It's debatable. I thought Umtiti started his Barca career slowly but he's been strong this season. Saw him in the flesh when Barca played Valencia earlier in the season and he stood out. France has a ridiculous number of quality centre-backs.

In comparison, what was your opinion when you saw Chairman Bailly in the flesh?


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tfco, you forgot to bump this thread this past weekend

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:42 pm 
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Where is bailly

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txj wrote:
YUJAM wrote:
Not cut and dry that Bailly is better than Laporte or Umtiti. It will take a while to make that determination. But as it stands, they are all very good defenders


It is, actually, re-Umtiti.

The Barcelona philosophy places a much, much higher demand on the CD than United's.

At Barca, the CD doesn't just have to stop an attack, he has to recover the ball technically, without loss of possession, in order to function as the foundation of the attacking game and of ball possession.

Few EPL defenders have the ability to do that.

Doesn't necessarily make them bad defenders; just of a lower technical level...


Thomas Vermaelen: ‘People think being a Barcelona defender is easy’

https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... si-arsenal

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Bailly is back

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