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PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 12:22 am 
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Abeg lets have an award for correct predictions like this.

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very telling thread, not sure what I should make of it but these has to be one of the most negative predictions on someone's career (on CE) that eventually came true smh


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Cellular wrote:
Solowe wrote:
Just for all you naysayers, I am going to up the ante : I am going to give him 180 days to show his true colors !!

Within the next 180 days Oliseh will implode at that job. If I am wrong, i will leave CE for 1 year and Not write a single word. !!!

This means by July 5th 2017 he would have imploded otherwise solowe is no more on CE for 1 year. I am a man of my word. I kept my word when said I wouldn't write the EB series anymore. I kept my word then, I will keep my word now.


Solobaba, no need to make the bet. I know you believe, like the scorpion, Oliseh can't help himself. But let's pray for the guy. Let's pray he succeeds because it will open the path for others like him.

I hope he shows more tact when he is dealing with both management and the players.
I hope he learns to take the blame for defeats and give the credit to the players for victories.
I hope he communicates better with everyone around him.
I hope he handles criticism better even from people he loathes.
I hope he has good health.

You can't be a good teacher or manager if you are easily frustrated. It is a frustrating position... I hope he realizes it.


For TXJ who believes anyone that makes an observation about Oliseh hates him.

This was last year when Oliseh took the job.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:38 am 
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I knew this will happen was just a matter of time. Oliseh never disappoints anyone. The man that arrogantly said that ' he wasn't igbo' while answering an igbo name.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:12 pm 
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osita wrote:
I knew this will happen was just a matter of time. Oliseh never disappoints anyone. The man that arrogantly said that ' he wasn't igbo' while answering an igbo name.


Obadele Thompson, Asafa Powell na Yoruba?


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:32 pm 
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Cellular wrote:
Cellular wrote:
Solowe wrote:
Just for all you naysayers, I am going to up the ante : I am going to give him 180 days to show his true colors !!

Within the next 180 days Oliseh will implode at that job. If I am wrong, i will leave CE for 1 year and Not write a single word. !!!

This means by July 5th 2017 he would have imploded otherwise solowe is no more on CE for 1 year. I am a man of my word. I kept my word when said I wouldn't write the EB series anymore. I kept my word then, I will keep my word now.


Solobaba, no need to make the bet. I know you believe, like the scorpion, Oliseh can't help himself. But let's pray for the guy. Let's pray he succeeds because it will open the path for others like him.

I hope he shows more tact when he is dealing with both management and the players.
I hope he learns to take the blame for defeats and give the credit to the players for victories.
I hope he communicates better with everyone around him.
I hope he handles criticism better even from people he loathes.
I hope he has good health.

You can't be a good teacher or manager if you are easily frustrated. It is a frustrating position... I hope he realizes it.


For TXJ who believes anyone that makes an observation about Oliseh hates him.

This was last year when Oliseh took the job.



The fact that you are glorifying this thread is ample proof of your personal animus towards Oliseh.

Pray, what red wine did you toast to on hearing this news :winking: :winking:

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:36 pm 
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txj wrote:
Cellular wrote:
Cellular wrote:
Solowe wrote:
Just for all you naysayers, I am going to up the ante : I am going to give him 180 days to show his true colors !!

Within the next 180 days Oliseh will implode at that job. If I am wrong, i will leave CE for 1 year and Not write a single word. !!!

This means by July 5th 2017 he would have imploded otherwise solowe is no more on CE for 1 year. I am a man of my word. I kept my word when said I wouldn't write the EB series anymore. I kept my word then, I will keep my word now.


Solobaba, no need to make the bet. I know you believe, like the scorpion, Oliseh can't help himself. But let's pray for the guy. Let's pray he succeeds because it will open the path for others like him.

I hope he shows more tact when he is dealing with both management and the players.
I hope he learns to take the blame for defeats and give the credit to the players for victories.
I hope he communicates better with everyone around him.
I hope he handles criticism better even from people he loathes.
I hope he has good health.

You can't be a good teacher or manager if you are easily frustrated. It is a frustrating position... I hope he realizes it.


For TXJ who believes anyone that makes an observation about Oliseh hates him.

This was last year when Oliseh took the job.



The fact that you are glorifying this thread is ample proof of your personal animus towards Oliseh.

Pray, what red wine did you toast to on hearing this news :winking: :winking:


Continue.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:55 pm 
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Cellular wrote:
txj wrote:
Cellular wrote:
Cellular wrote:
Solowe wrote:
Just for all you naysayers, I am going to up the ante : I am going to give him 180 days to show his true colors !!

Within the next 180 days Oliseh will implode at that job. If I am wrong, i will leave CE for 1 year and Not write a single word. !!!

This means by July 5th 2017 he would have imploded otherwise solowe is no more on CE for 1 year. I am a man of my word. I kept my word when said I wouldn't write the EB series anymore. I kept my word then, I will keep my word now.


Solobaba, no need to make the bet. I know you believe, like the scorpion, Oliseh can't help himself. But let's pray for the guy. Let's pray he succeeds because it will open the path for others like him.

I hope he shows more tact when he is dealing with both management and the players.
I hope he learns to take the blame for defeats and give the credit to the players for victories.
I hope he communicates better with everyone around him.
I hope he handles criticism better even from people he loathes.
I hope he has good health.

You can't be a good teacher or manager if you are easily frustrated. It is a frustrating position... I hope he realizes it.


For TXJ who believes anyone that makes an observation about Oliseh hates him.

This was last year when Oliseh took the job.



The fact that you are glorifying this thread is ample proof of your personal animus towards Oliseh.

Pray, what red wine did you toast to on hearing this news :winking: :winking:


Continue.

Chicken wey run way from Borno go Ibadan go still end up inside pot of soup.
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folem wrote:
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I knew this will happen was just a matter of time. Oliseh never disappoints anyone. The man that arrogantly said that ' he wasn't igbo' while answering an igbo name.


Obadele Thompson, Asafa Powell na Yoruba?


If oliseh did not conduct or present a genetic that excludes him from Igbo paternity then we have to go by consistent evidence in front of us.- fathers inherited leneage

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Oliseh, unfortunately, has the typical ITK mentality.
He is nailing his own coffin.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:28 pm 
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osita wrote:
I knew this will happen was just a matter of time. Oliseh never disappoints anyone. The man that arrogantly said that ' he wasn't igbo' while answering an igbo name.

... because one answers or bears 'Igbo name' does not automatically make the person an Igbo man/woman. I bear Igbo name, but it doesn't make me an Igbo man. I am from Delta State.

An old man (Yoruba man) gave me the name - AIYETORO - long time ago, after as a little boy I served him as if he is my father. I still answer the name when people who know me calls me by it, but that does not mean I am a Yoruba man. Thus, ... please.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:31 pm 
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This is why I love this site.
The 'institutional memory' na helele.

:rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: Just now seeing this. Na wah!

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:58 pm 
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Solowe/Jackal was spot on. I don't know the owners at Fortuna from a sack of beans, but Oliseh is not the only manager or principled manager in the world...and allegations like he has made are pretty rare.

Given his antecedents, we all should have seen this coming...but we wanted to believe and wish him well. I for one was harsh on him for his man-management during his SE tenure...but I really did think he could be successful here.

Solowe/Jackal should be given the Nostradamus award. Bros knows what he's saying

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Odas wrote:
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I knew this will happen was just a matter of time. Oliseh never disappoints anyone. The man that arrogantly said that ' he wasn't igbo' while answering an igbo name.

... because one answers or bears 'Igbo name' does not automatically make the person an Igbo man/woman. I bear Igbo name, but it doesn't make me an Igbo man. I am from Delta State.

An old man (Yoruba man) gave me the name - AIYETORO - long time ago, after as a little boy I served him as if he is my father. I still answer the name when people who know me calls me by it, but that does not mean I am a Yoruba man. Thus, ... please.


You no go understand until you watch the video, the manner he said it. You can go all night educating me on you answering Yoruba name and not being Yoruba. Oliseh Azubike sunday na Igbo name . Your surname and second name na Yoruba?


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Odas wrote:
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I knew this will happen was just a matter of time. Oliseh never disappoints anyone. The man that arrogantly said that ' he wasn't igbo' while answering an igbo name.

... because one answers or bears 'Igbo name' does not automatically make the person an Igbo man/woman. I bear Igbo name, but it doesn't make me an Igbo man. I am from Delta State.

An old man (Yoruba man) gave me the name - AIYETORO - long time ago, after as a little boy I served him as if he is my father. I still answer the name when people who know me calls me by it, but that does not mean I am a Yoruba man. Thus, ... please.

So are you saying that it is your state state determines your tribe? So when Delta was part of Bendel did that make you an Ishan abi Bini?

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Ehn ehn ehn...turns out Solowe (aka JACKAL) was right! So he missed by some days, but the crux of his position was clear. He wasn't "wishing Oliseh" bad, he was just making his observations known.

Hope this is a lesson for some of us who are so hateful to opposing (or unpalatable) views to their own.. :sneaky:

Solowe is right by your standard of reasoning which is very limited :curse: :curse: Clearly, you HATE coach Oliseh. Now you can go and jubilate, congratulations

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lacidi wrote:
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osita wrote:
I knew this will happen was just a matter of time. Oliseh never disappoints anyone. The man that arrogantly said that ' he wasn't igbo' while answering an igbo name.

... because one answers or bears 'Igbo name' does not automatically make the person an Igbo man/woman. I bear Igbo name, but it doesn't make me an Igbo man. I am from Delta State.

An old man (Yoruba man) gave me the name - AIYETORO - long time ago, after as a little boy I served him as if he is my father. I still answer the name when people who know me calls me by it, but that does not mean I am a Yoruba man. Thus, ... please.

So are you saying that it is your state state determines your tribe? So when Delta was part of Bendel did that make you an Ishan abi Bini?

:lol: :lol: :lol: No! One's State of origin does not determine his/her TRIBE either, it is the people and their ways of doing things (customs and culture) and believes which determines a tribe

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 12:16 am 
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osita wrote:
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osita wrote:
I knew this will happen was just a matter of time. Oliseh never disappoints anyone. The man that arrogantly said that ' he wasn't igbo' while answering an igbo name.

... because one answers or bears 'Igbo name' does not automatically make the person an Igbo man/woman. I bear Igbo name, but it doesn't make me an Igbo man. I am from Delta State.

An old man (Yoruba man) gave me the name - AIYETORO - long time ago, after as a little boy I served him as if he is my father. I still answer the name when people who know me calls me by it, but that does not mean I am a Yoruba man. Thus, ... please.

You no go understand until you watch the video, the manner he said it. You can go all night educating me on you answering Yoruba name and not being Yoruba. Oliseh Azubike sunday na Igbo name . Your surname and second name na Yoruba?

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Ok, Chief! Because you have already made-up your mind, I won't try to change it

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Odas wrote:
lacidi wrote:
Odas wrote:
osita wrote:
I knew this will happen was just a matter of time. Oliseh never disappoints anyone. The man that arrogantly said that ' he wasn't igbo' while answering an igbo name.

... because one answers or bears 'Igbo name' does not automatically make the person an Igbo man/woman. I bear Igbo name, but it doesn't make me an Igbo man. I am from Delta State.

An old man (Yoruba man) gave me the name - AIYETORO - long time ago, after as a little boy I served him as if he is my father. I still answer the name when people who know me calls me by it, but that does not mean I am a Yoruba man. Thus, ... please.

So are you saying that it is your state state determines your tribe? So when Delta was part of Bendel did that make you an Ishan abi Bini?

:lol: :lol: :lol: No! One's State of origin does not determine his/her TRIBE either, it is the people and their ways of doing things (customs and culture) and believes which determines a tribe


In African context and specifically Nigeria there is only one determination of tribe =PATERNITY (blood line) if oliseh’s Blood line is Igbo as his last name suggests and if doesn’t have paternity test to prove otherwise then he is Igbo. Mind you we are not talking about social constructs here which his may as well be calabar, Lagosian, Yoruba, South African and what have you.

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Mr. Oliseh don't worry about this set back; you will back better than before. The final implosion - Fortuna Sittard will NEVER achieve promotion


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Mr. Oliseh don't worry about this set back; you will back better than before. The final implosion - Fortuna Sittard will NEVER achieve promotion


:clap:

Im surprised at the vile that is contained within some on this site. :sad:

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Solowe, this your bad belle thread get as e be. Ah ah now.

Once again, I dont have bad belle towards him nor do i wish him bad fortune... I just know Sunday from his history in Management..


You called it Nostradamus

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Solowe, this your bad belle thread get as e be. Ah ah now.

Once again, I dont have bad belle towards him nor do i wish him bad fortune... I just know Sunday from his history in Management..


You called it Nostradamus


G4L,

TBH, I loathe giving Solowe/Jackal credit on this. I believe most of us expected this to happen but quietly prayed that it will not take place. What is different is Solowe/Jackal sticking his head out to focus on the character flaw at the time when most of us focused on the opportunity that Oliseh was getting and hoping for the best.

Oliseh's history is littered with this behavior and it is likely part of his DNA. You need to read Colin Udoh's piece on this where he cites that this behavior was taking place in the SE while Oliseh was an SE player. Thus, it really isn't rocket science. The sad thing about it is that Oliseh clearly shows that he can coach and we found that out doing his stint at Fortuna but this character flaw is going to be, always, an issue. Ask yourself, if you are the owner of a club why would you hire a guy like this when there are coaches with similar talent but come without the baggage that Oliseh comes with.

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