Dimitri Payet does not want to play for West Ham

[pajimoh]

@danfo driver easy on my fellow north London fans.I remember most of their respond about Adebayor wahala with spurs.

Kajifu,please leave Adebayor out of this. Spurs paid him off.
With Adebauor, first it was Arsenal, then it was City, then it was Spurs in between incidents with Togo and our beloved Keshi.
Where is Adebayor now? It can be other peoples fault for so long. Soo we or later all eyes wil turn to you.

While you're at it find out Payetp's history with his previous clubs. West Ham took a gamble on him. Yes he played well for them. They also help rescue his career.

pajimoh, how?

I see Payet the same way I see Mario Balo.... For different reasons both are difficult to handle but supremely talented.
Payet was becoming a journey man in the game with only two managers able to get something out of him and Billic is one of them.
While Payet helped West Ham, the opportunity he got at the club and the manager also helped him. A talented player like that going to WH and not other top clubs is not because only WH can afford to pay 10m. It was because it was 10m worth of risk
My argument is if he wants to leave, downing tools is the wrong way to go about it. It's the old Payet resurfacing.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/201 ... nchants-t/

True, there was some level of risk because of the fragility of his mental makeup but they didn't rescue his career. If anything, he rescued West Ham. Without him, they'd have fought relegation last season. Without them, he'd have starred again at one of the many clubs who looked at him (inc other EPL sides) or even arguably for one of the UCL sides from 'smaller' less visible leagues. He wasn't floundering when they signed him. He was at the best point of his career.

The thing people think Bilic did was getting him to perform from start to finish of the season but he'd done that elsewhere. His performance for Bielsea was better but it was at a platform that not many pay attention to. He also wasn't a bad player at les verts or lille or nantes or elsewhere. Consistency and yes, the mental issue was always the problem with him but he was at no risk of being a journey man, he had performed.

As far as his issues with West Ham presently, if a player wants to leave months after signing a contract because he is unhappy, that's life. Get what you can for him and let him go. It's not like it's an asset they're losing money on.

Whether WH would have fought relegation last year or other clubs would have come in for him is belly buttons. Your statement was West Ham rescued him, that's what I'm responding to. They clearly didn't rescue him.
What we know is that his performance last year brought him back into the national team. All too often we give the player credit but downplay the role of his manager and the platform of the club. Again no. He was already on Deschamps radar in his last season in France. He didn't get called to les bleus just because of west ham. He was already back in the NT before he signed for west ham. He'd played for and scored for France weeks before he joined West Ham. He was a player Deschamps had plans for.

It's like acknowledging a brilliant student while downplaying the role of his tutors and the institution. I'm not downplaying the role of coaching. I've always said that what fans see is the culmination of a LOT of things including coaching , agents, and family life. There's a lot that goes into the final product. You seem to be discounting the other life issues that have made the player who he is.
If Payet wants to leave he's entitled but not by breaching his contract. How would YOU go about it? Keep in mind, clubs do not want to let their best assets go.
There's no reason why a player that wants to leave can't continue to honor his contract until it is sorted. Let me ask you this...WHY does the player want to leave?

You can't get the best out of a player forced to stay but downing tools is total lack of respect for the club and the need for contracts in the first place Possibly. It depends on the angle you look at it from. The player has done this before and yes he got away with it. It's a back and forth between players and clubs, both show lack of respect time after time. The guy feels he has to do this.

Players want to leave clubs for whatever reasons and we don't house be to list all. That is not why is e re having this discourse.
This is a simple contract issue.
Let me put it another way. West Ham no longer want Payet. They can sell him, and he has a choice to agree to the sale or not. But WH cannot at anytime down tool and say because we no longer want you we won't pay you as agreed in our contract. How West Ham should go about it is irrelevant to their obligation to him. Why should his wanting to leave stop him from fulfilling his contractual obligation?

I hope you're not suggesting the only way he could get his move is to refuse to honor his part of the contract?

[danfo driver]

@danfo driver easy on my fellow north London fans.I remember most of their respond about Adebayor wahala with spurs.

Na small team mentality dey worry the guy! "let him rot on the bench" "After what we have done for him" "the fans stood by him" cliche comments by a fan of a small team! Always feel entitled! Payet was not even born in london. He just arrived there like what? two years ago? And we are hearing "after what west ham has done for him!:" what have they done for him??? did they pay his wife's bride price? nonsense! I cant wait to hear what this one will say when Dele Alli moves on to better things.... they will come here insulting him, telling us about how tottenham saved the boys life by taking him from division 13 and teaching him football.

Tottenham is not a small team and your posts here have done nothing but add unnecessary insults to this thread. What do you get by being so antagonistic? Show some class.

You guys are doing fantastic, and I like your coach and some of your players. Thus, i usually wish you guys well when I watch your team. But lets be honest about this, tottenham is a small club. Thats a fact.

Several years ago, I told you that Tottenham is cursed, and you went into a melt down! You attacked me and cried and cried about it. Today, you are wearing a pro-Arsenal avatar.

[anikulapo]

I wonder what Bilic hoped to gain by bringing this out to the public domain?

First of all, he has basically ended Payets career at west Ham as well as Amy relationship he might have with a volatile and emotional player . Secondly Payet will soon turn 30, and how does this help
His sale value ?

And how do you say he has refused to play and then say he won't play until
He changes his attitude ?

Stupid club, good luck with this one LMAO

[theYemster]

I wonder what Bilic hoped to gain by bringing this out to the public domain?

First of all, he has basically ended Payets career at west Ham as well as Amy relationship he might have with a volatile and emotional player . Secondly Payet will soon turn 30, and how does this help
His sale value ?

And how do you say he has refused to play and then say he won't play until
He changes his attitude ?

Stupid club, good luck with this one LMAO

Because at some point during his tantrum when he realizes he's not going anywhere, he's gonna need/want to play then he won't simply walk back into the squad.

[platinum]

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[platinum]

Players want to leave clubs for whatever reasons and we don't house be to list all. That is not why is e re having this discourse.
This is a simple contract issue. From one angle, yes. The man wants to leave for more reasons than that though.
Let me put it another way. West Ham no longer want Payet. They can sell him, and he has a choice to agree to the sale or not. But WH cannot at anytime down tool and say because we no longer want you we won't pay you as agreed in our contract. How West Ham should go about it is irrelevant to their obligation to him. Why should his wanting to leave stop him from fulfilling his contractual obligation? They can fine or punish him. Signing a contract doesn't mean you have no leeway for dissent. Unless there's a behavioral clause inserted with strict repercussions for bad behavior.

I hope you're not suggesting the only way he could get his move is to refuse to honor his part of the contract? No. I asked what you would do. I asked because your opinion is so strong on this, I assume you've faced a similar situation at some course of your career.[/quote]

We will see how it plays out. That notion that a man cannot protest or want to leave because he just signed a new deal six months ago is not correct. If you wanted to leave your job for reasons that were not monetary and got money thrown at you to help smooth things, I can assure you of this, that desire to leave goes nowhere, it stays and resurfaces soon enough. *I'm just reading Bilic's column in the papers...he says the Payet thing has been developing for a while now and didn't just start.

[balo]

Chelsea is monitoring the situation.

[pajimoh]

Players want to leave clubs for whatever reasons and we don't house be to list all. That is not why is e re having this discourse.
This is a simple contract issue. From one angle, yes. The man wants to leave for more reasons than that though.
Let me put it another way. West Ham no longer want Payet. They can sell him, and he has a choice to agree to the sale or not. But WH cannot at anytime down tool and say because we no longer want you we won't pay you as agreed in our contract. How West Ham should go about it is irrelevant to their obligation to him. Why should his wanting to leave stop him from fulfilling his contractual obligation? They can fine or punish him. Signing a contract doesn't mean you have no leeway for dissent. Unless there's a behavioral clause inserted with strict repercussions for bad behavior.

I hope you're not suggesting the only way he could get his move is to refuse to honor his part of the contract? No. I asked what you would do. I asked because your opinion is so strong on this, I assume you've faced a similar situation at some course of your career.

We will see how it plays out. That notion that a man cannot protest or want to leave because he just signed a new deal six months ago is not correct. If you wanted to leave your job for reasons that were not monetary and got money thrown at you to help smooth things, I can assure you of this, that desire to leave goes nowhere, it stays and resurfaces soon enough. *I'm just reading Bilic's column in the papers...he says the Payet thing has been developing for a while now and didn't just start.[/quote]

Platinum I don't know how many times I have to repeat it and why you're setting the scene for your own argument.

Payet can leave if he so wishes. Clubs can sell players if they so wish. Between the two is a contract.
Clubs will say you can't play for this club again but they are obliged to fulfill their obligation under the contract until the player moves on or pay him off

Players likewise can say I want to leave but but must be available for the club until such a time when the opportunity to leave manifests.

Players cannot say I want to leave so I won't turn up for work again or won't play for you again.
The worst case scenario for West Ham and they can do it if they so wish, is to harden their resolve and say "F U. we won't play you and we are not releasing your registration until your contract expires. That is assuming the player turns up for work but still insist on leaving. Costly stance because they still have to continue paying him and they are entitled to do that.
West Ham can also say "well you refuse to play for us so every week we'll fine you a weeks wages until you change your mind".
The third choice is to look for a buyer and let him go.
But whatever the case, Payet cannot win a legal case where he downs tool because he wants to leave. He has to continue doing what he's employed and payed to do. He might not do it to his best ability but he can't refuse and expect to be in the right.

[Cristao II]

@danfo driver easy on my fellow north London fans.I remember most of their respond about Adebayor wahala with spurs.

Na small team mentality dey worry the guy! "let him rot on the bench" "After what we have done for him" "the fans stood by him" cliche comments by a fan of a small team! Always feel entitled! Payet was not even born in london. He just arrived there like what? two years ago? And we are hearing "after what west ham has done for him!:" what have they done for him??? did they pay his wife's bride price? nonsense! I cant wait to hear what this one will say when Dele Alli moves on to better things.... they will come here insulting him, telling us about how tottenham saved the boys life by taking him from division 13 and teaching him football.

Tottenham is not a small team and your posts here have done nothing but add unnecessary insults to this thread. What do you get by being so antagonistic? Show some class.

You guys are doing fantastic, and I like your coach and some of your players. Thus, i usually wish you guys well when I watch your team. But lets be honest about this, tottenham is a small club. Thats a fact.

Several years ago, I told you that Tottenham is cursed, and you went into a melt down! You attacked me and cried and cried about it. Today, you are wearing a pro-Arsenal avatar.

1 - Tottenham is not cursed. If so then the other teams that havent won the league or get relegated are cursed.

2 - I argued with you on your choice of words regarding the club

3 - Avatar is due to a lost bet.

4 - WTF gives a damn now about what you think.

5 - Tottenham is not a small club.

[Cristao II]

Chelsea is monitoring the situation.

I doubt Chelsea is interested. Too risky. They would want to solidify defence and wings. Conte cant stand primadonnas.

[platinum]

Players want to leave clubs for whatever reasons and we don't house be to list all. That is not why is e re having this discourse.
This is a simple contract issue. From one angle, yes. The man wants to leave for more reasons than that though.
Let me put it another way. West Ham no longer want Payet. They can sell him, and he has a choice to agree to the sale or not. But WH cannot at anytime down tool and say because we no longer want you we won't pay you as agreed in our contract. How West Ham should go about it is irrelevant to their obligation to him. Why should his wanting to leave stop him from fulfilling his contractual obligation? They can fine or punish him. Signing a contract doesn't mean you have no leeway for dissent. Unless there's a behavioral clause inserted with strict repercussions for bad behavior.

I hope you're not suggesting the only way he could get his move is to refuse to honor his part of the contract? No. I asked what you would do. I asked because your opinion is so strong on this, I assume you've faced a similar situation at some course of your career.

We will see how it plays out. That notion that a man cannot protest or want to leave because he just signed a new deal six months ago is not correct. If you wanted to leave your job for reasons that were not monetary and got money thrown at you to help smooth things, I can assure you of this, that desire to leave goes nowhere, it stays and resurfaces soon enough. *I'm just reading Bilic's column in the papers...he says the Payet thing has been developing for a while now and didn't just start.

Platinum I don't know how many times I have to repeat it and why you're setting the scene for your own argument.

Payet can leave if he so wishes. Clubs can sell players if they so wish. Between the two is a contract.
Clubs will say you can't play for this club again but they are obliged to fulfill their obligation under the contract until the player moves on or pay him off

Players likewise can say I want to leave but but must be available for the club until such a time when the opportunity to leave manifests.

Players cannot say I want to leave so I won't turn up for work again or won't play for you again.
The worst case scenario for West Ham and they can do it if they so wish, is to harden their resolve and say "F U. we won't play you and we are not releasing your registration until your contract expires. That is assuming the player turns up for work but still insist on leaving. Costly stance because they still have to continue paying him and they are entitled to do that.
West Ham can also say "well you refuse to play for us so every week we'll fine you a weeks wages until you change your mind".
The third choice is to look for a buyer and let him go.
But whatever the case, Payet cannot win a legal case where he downs tool because he wants to leave. He has to continue doing what he's employed and payed to do. He might not do it to his best ability but he can't refuse and expect to be in the right.

In that case we are on similar pages. They have now said they will fine him. A player takes an action and a punishment awaits him, for every action there is a reaction but your assertion that he must do x or y....not correct.

Your initial argument was he was breaking his contract and MUST respect it while also stating that the club rescued him which they clearly didn't. You've argued that he cannot simply just down tools as it disrespects the club and violates his contracts, the thing is there is room for that, he can get punished as we are seeing them do now. Whether it's respectful or not, doesn't stop him from doing so. And YES players can refuse to play for a club, they get fined usually...it's not unheard of. They're not slaves. There is a contract that has clauses and provisos regarding occurrences. Clubs can also refuse to pay players, it happens far more often than is publicized. Recently we've seen a few of our Nigerian players dealing with the issue.

If you're arguing about a legal case, that's something else.

I think we agree on most things but you seem to be positing that Payet cannot go on strike, he can. You seem to think he was going nowhere before West Ham, that's not true either.

[pajimoh]

Players want to leave clubs for whatever reasons and we don't house be to list all. That is not why is e re having this discourse.
This is a simple contract issue. From one angle, yes. The man wants to leave for more reasons than that though.
Let me put it another way. West Ham no longer want Payet. They can sell him, and he has a choice to agree to the sale or not. But WH cannot at anytime down tool and say because we no longer want you we won't pay you as agreed in our contract. How West Ham should go about it is irrelevant to their obligation to him. Why should his wanting to leave stop him from fulfilling his contractual obligation? They can fine or punish him. Signing a contract doesn't mean you have no leeway for dissent. Unless there's a behavioral clause inserted with strict repercussions for bad behavior.

I hope you're not suggesting the only way he could get his move is to refuse to honor his part of the contract? No. I asked what you would do. I asked because your opinion is so strong on this, I assume you've faced a similar situation at some course of your career.

We will see how it plays out. That notion that a man cannot protest or want to leave because he just signed a new deal six months ago is not correct. If you wanted to leave your job for reasons that were not monetary and got money thrown at you to help smooth things, I can assure you of this, that desire to leave goes nowhere, it stays and resurfaces soon enough. *I'm just reading Bilic's column in the papers...he says the Payet thing has been developing for a while now and didn't just start.

Platinum I don't know how many times I have to repeat it and why you're setting the scene for your own argument.

Payet can leave if he so wishes. Clubs can sell players if they so wish. Between the two is a contract.
Clubs will say you can't play for this club again but they are obliged to fulfill their obligation under the contract until the player moves on or pay him off

Players likewise can say I want to leave but but must be available for the club until such a time when the opportunity to leave manifests.

Players cannot say I want to leave so I won't turn up for work again or won't play for you again.
The worst case scenario for West Ham and they can do it if they so wish, is to harden their resolve and say "F U. we won't play you and we are not releasing your registration until your contract expires. That is assuming the player turns up for work but still insist on leaving. Costly stance because they still have to continue paying him and they are entitled to do that.
West Ham can also say "well you refuse to play for us so every week we'll fine you a weeks wages until you change your mind".
The third choice is to look for a buyer and let him go.
But whatever the case, Payet cannot win a legal case where he downs tool because he wants to leave. He has to continue doing what he's employed and payed to do. He might not do it to his best ability but he can't refuse and expect to be in the right.

In that case we are on similar pages. They have now said they will fine him. A player takes an action and a punishment awaits him, for every action there is a reaction but your assertion that he must do x or y....not correct.

Your initial argument was he was breaking his contract and MUST respect it while also stating that the club rescued him which they clearly didn't. You've argued that he cannot simply just down tools as it disrespects the club and violates his contracts, the thing is there is room for that, he can get punished as we are seeing them do now. Whether it's respectful or not, doesn't stop him from doing so. And YES players can refuse to play for a club, they get fined usually...it's not unheard of. They're not slaves. There is a contract that has clauses and provisos regarding occurrences. Clubs can also refuse to pay players, it happens far more often than is publicized. Recently we've seen a few of our Nigerian players dealing with the issue.

If you're arguing about a legal case, that's something else.

I think we agree on most things but you seem to be positing that Payet cannot go on strike, he can. You seem to think he was going nowhere before West Ham, that's not true either.

The statement about the club rescuing his career is my personal opinion and is secondary to the discourse all along.
My point has always been, and as you put it - yes we can all do what we want (including jumping off a bridge), but he cannot decide I don't want to play anymore and not expect some consequences, either legal or otherwise. If West Ham allow such behaviour and just bend to his wishes without showing some teeth, then they have set a dangerous precedent that will become a blue print for any of their players that wants to leave.

You keep seeing it as an employee that doesn't want to work for his employers anymore but football is not that simple and straight forward. He's contracted with laid down expectations from both sides.
Yes contract might not be worth the T.Roll it's written on nowadays but refusing to play has it's consequences and the club will be justified in triggering those consequences

[danfo driver]

1 - Tottenham is not cursed. If so then the other teams that havent won the league or get relegated are cursed.

Tottenham is, indeed, cursed, and you know it. You know that it has nothing to do with winning the league or getting relegated. Stop deceiving yourself. You know the reasons why Tottenham is cursed. Tottenham is the only club that can CONSISTENTLY grab defeat from the belly of victory. Look at just these few examples:

1. Tottenham was on the cusp of CL qualification and their players went and ate Lasagna.

2. Tottenham was on the cusp of CL qualification and Chelsea went and won the CL to deny them

3. Last season, Tottenham had the only chance in their existence to win the league, with the top clubs faltering, and they went into a meltdown, ultimately disgracing themselves at Stamford Bridge -- a tiny club, Leicester went on to win the league.

4. After qualifying foe the CL and with so high expectations to get out of a manageable group, Tottenham proceeds to disgrace their fans and get knocked out---right into Europa League

Dude. This is a curse! You may want to ignore it, but like i told you many years ago, you will continue to suffer until you admit the facts right in front of you.

2 - I argued with you on your choice of words regarding the club

You were arguing with yourself.

3 - Avatar is due to a lost bet.

Yes, I know. I was here when you made the angel*-ic bet. Do you think its a coincidence that Tottenham cannot finish above Arsenal? You think its a coincidence? Had you listened to me and realized that Tottenham is cursed and will never bring joy to their fans, but pain, you'd have been a little wiser and not make a stup-id bet.

4 - WTF gives a damn now about what you think.

Once again, this was the language you threw at me when I tried to counsel you as a brother, years ago, and help you to understand that Tottenham is cursed. Yet, once again, you dont want to accept it. You seem to be a glutton for punishment.

5 - Tottenham is not a small club.

Tottenham is a small club. Fact.

[tfco]

Tottenham is, indeed, cursed, and you know it. You know that it has nothing to do with winning the league or getting relegated. Stop deceiving yourself. You know the reasons why Tottenham is cursed. Tottenham is the only club that can CONSISTENTLY grab defeat from the belly of victory. Look at just these few examples:

1. Tottenham was on the cusp of CL qualification and their players went and ate Lasagna.

2. Tottenham was on the cusp of CL qualification and Chelsea went and won the CL to deny them

3. Last season, Tottenham had the only chance in their existence to win the league, with the top clubs faltering, and they went into a meltdown, ultimately disgracing themselves at Stamford Bridge -- a tiny club, Leicester went on to win the league.

4. After qualifying foe the CL and with so high expectations to get out of a manageable group, Tottenham proceeds to disgrace their fans and get knocked out---right into Europa League

Dude. This is a curse! You may want to ignore it, but like i told you many years ago, you will continue to suffer until you admit the facts right in front of you.

[Cristao II]

1 - Tottenham is not cursed. If so then the other teams that havent won the league or get relegated are cursed.

Tottenham is, indeed, cursed, and you know it. You know that it has nothing to do with winning the league or getting relegated. Stop deceiving yourself. You know the reasons why Tottenham is cursed. Tottenham is the only club that can CONSISTENTLY grab defeat from the belly of victory. Look at just these few examples:

1. Tottenham was on the cusp of CL qualification and their players went and ate Lasagna.

2. Tottenham was on the cusp of CL qualification and Chelsea went and won the CL to deny them

3. Last season, Tottenham had the only chance in their existence to win the league, with the top clubs faltering, and they went into a meltdown, ultimately disgracing themselves at Stamford Bridge -- a tiny club, Leicester went on to win the league.

4. After qualifying foe the CL and with so high expectations to get out of a manageable group, Tottenham proceeds to disgrace their fans and get knocked out---right into Europa League

Dude. This is a curse! You may want to ignore it, but like i told you many years ago, you will continue to suffer until you admit the facts right in front of you.

2 - I argued with you on your choice of words regarding the club

You were arguing with yourself.

3 - Avatar is due to a lost bet.

Yes, I know. I was here when you made the angel*-ic bet. Do you think its a coincidence that Tottenham cannot finish above Arsenal? You think its a coincidence? Had you listened to me and realized that Tottenham is cursed and will never bring joy to their fans, but pain, you'd have been a little wiser and not make a stup-id bet.

4 - WTF gives a damn now about what you think.

Once again, this was the language you threw at me when I tried to counsel you as a brother, years ago, and help you to understand that Tottenham is cursed. Yet, once again, you dont want to accept it. You seem to be a glutton for punishment.

5 - Tottenham is not a small club.

Tottenham is a small club. Fact.

Rewriting history while ignoring certain facts is plain falsehood. The club is definitely not cursed. Infact considering the wage structure and other financial handicaps, the club has over achieved consistently since the days of Martin Jol and Frank Arnesen. I am sure if you look into the histories of other clubs you would find other similar situations that would earn those club the 'cursed' tag. Life rubs both ways - the joy and pain of being a fan.

Tottenham has brought a lot of joy to its fans - latest time the 2-0 defeat of Chelsea in the last ever game at WHL. You are not a fan of the club so you wouldnt appreciate what exactly has happened since Mr Levy took over. The sad thing is that you believe the crap you wrote above and to be quite honest I am not sure I should bother explaining to you.

As for winning the league, you forget that the club has won the league in England already perhaps not in the Premier League era but there is no cup in England that Spurs hasnt won. It is only a JJC fan to English football that would call Spurs a small club that hasnt won the league. PS last season were the likes of Arsenal, City and Utd cursed? They had a far better chance and better squads to win the league than Spurs. Infact at one time two of the three were on top. Spurs were never on top.

As for not finishing above Arsenal for a while, well they had the better foundation in the late 90s and early 2000s - it will take a while to catch up to their ability to attract the best players which Spurs are well on the way to. We will be even better placed once the new stadium is finished.

CL record - well I am sure you thought we were cursed when we beat Man City to qualify for the CL and then proceeded to beat the Milan clubs losing eventually to Madrid. This season was with a young squad and an inexperienced manager - the squad didnt perform well. Cursed? No.

PS the bet wasnt made on CE forums. So unless you were 'wikileaking' my Skype discussion with a CE .. tsk tsk tsk!

[danfo driver]

Rewriting history while ignoring certain facts is plain falsehood. The club is definitely not cursed. Infact considering the wage structure and other financial handicaps, the club has over achieved consistently since the days of Martin Jol and Frank Arnesen. I am sure if you look into the histories of other clubs you would find other similar situations that would earn those club the 'cursed' tag. Life rubs both ways - the joy and pain of being a fan.

In Tottenham's situation, life only seems to rub one way.

Tottenham has brought a lot of joy to its fans - latest time the 2-0 defeat of Chelsea in the last ever game at WHL.

wow! Celebrating defeating an opponent? Other fans celebrate winning championships, CL etc... you celebrate defeating an opponent. Like I said, small club.

You are not a fan of the club so you wouldnt appreciate what exactly has happened since Mr Levy took over. The sad thing is that you believe the crap you wrote above and to be quite honest I am not sure I should bother explaining to you.

Thank God.

CL record - well I am sure you thought we were cursed when we beat Man City to qualify for the CL and then proceeded to beat the Milan clubs losing eventually to Madrid. This season was with a young squad and an inexperienced manager - the squad didnt perform well. Cursed? No.

I see you keep mentioning victories over clubs like it is a trophy! That is a characteristic of a small club!



Finally, do you remember that song -- "2-0 and you fooookkeed it up" or "3-1 and you fioooooked it up?" I mean, any score and "you foooked it up"... do you notice how that song is always usually sung at Tottenham fans??? Your club always seems to find a way to foooook it up.





Like I said, I am not interested in convincing someone who is sooo deeply blinded. I told you so many years ago that your club was cursed. I am certain you know it deep inside your heart, but you dont want to publicly accept it.

Okay, lets make a social experiment. I can assure you now that your club will foooook up again this season. Would you like to bet with me about anything? anything at all?

[Cristao II]

Rewriting history while ignoring certain facts is plain falsehood. The club is definitely not cursed. Infact considering the wage structure and other financial handicaps, the club has over achieved consistently since the days of Martin Jol and Frank Arnesen. I am sure if you look into the histories of other clubs you would find other similar situations that would earn those club the 'cursed' tag. Life rubs both ways - the joy and pain of being a fan.

In Tottenham's situation, life only seems to rub one way.

Tottenham has brought a lot of joy to its fans - latest time the 2-0 defeat of Chelsea in the last ever game at WHL.

wow! Celebrating defeating an opponent? Other fans celebrate winning championships, CL etc... you celebrate defeating an opponent. Like I said, small club.

You are not a fan of the club so you wouldnt appreciate what exactly has happened since Mr Levy took over. The sad thing is that you believe the crap you wrote above and to be quite honest I am not sure I should bother explaining to you.

Thank God.

CL record - well I am sure you thought we were cursed when we beat Man City to qualify for the CL and then proceeded to beat the Milan clubs losing eventually to Madrid. This season was with a young squad and an inexperienced manager - the squad didnt perform well. Cursed? No.

I see you keep mentioning victories over clubs like it is a trophy! That is a characteristic of a small club!



Finally, do you remember that song -- "2-0 and you fooookkeed it up" or "3-1 and you fioooooked it up?" I mean, any score and "you foooked it up"... do you notice how that song is always usually sung at Tottenham fans??? Your club always seems to find a way to foooook it up.





Like I said, I am not interested in convincing someone who is sooo deeply blinded. I told you so many years ago that your club was cursed. I am certain you know it deep inside your heart, but you dont want to publicly accept it.

Okay, lets make a social experiment. I can assure you now that your club will foooook up again this season. Would you like to bet with me about anything? anything at all?

No point arguing with you then. Define fook up? Because according to predictions at the start, Spurs should be finishing 6th based on wages, squad depth and the usual press love for Arsenal, City, United, Liverpool and Chelsea.

So what position should be 'fook up' for Spurs?

[kajifu]

Rewriting history while ignoring certain facts is plain falsehood. The club is definitely not cursed. Infact considering the wage structure and other financial handicaps, the club has over achieved consistently since the days of Martin Jol and Frank Arnesen. I am sure if you look into the histories of other clubs you would find other similar situations that would earn those club the 'cursed' tag. Life rubs both ways - the joy and pain of being a fan.

In Tottenham's situation, life only seems to rub one way.

Tottenham has brought a lot of joy to its fans - latest time the 2-0 defeat of Chelsea in the last ever game at WHL.

wow! Celebrating defeating an opponent? Other fans celebrate winning championships, CL etc... you celebrate defeating an opponent. Like I said, small club.

You are not a fan of the club so you wouldnt appreciate what exactly has happened since Mr Levy took over. The sad thing is that you believe the crap you wrote above and to be quite honest I am not sure I should bother explaining to you.

Thank God.

CL record - well I am sure you thought we were cursed when we beat Man City to qualify for the CL and then proceeded to beat the Milan clubs losing eventually to Madrid. This season was with a young squad and an inexperienced manager - the squad didnt perform well. Cursed? No.

I see you keep mentioning victories over clubs like it is a trophy! That is a characteristic of a small club!



Finally, do you remember that song -- "2-0 and you fooookkeed it up" or "3-1 and you fioooooked it up?" I mean, any score and "you foooked it up"... do you notice how that song is always usually sung at Tottenham fans??? Your club always seems to find a way to foooook it up.





Like I said, I am not interested in convincing someone who is sooo deeply blinded. I told you so many years ago that your club was cursed. I am certain you know it deep inside your heart, but you dont want to publicly accept it.

Okay, lets make a social experiment. I can assure you now that your club will foooook up again this season. Would you like to bet with me about anything? anything at all?

[kenmega]

Read that Payet was paid £1m bonus back in September..stupid football club

[kenmega]

Rewriting history while ignoring certain facts is plain falsehood. The club is definitely not cursed. Infact considering the wage structure and other financial handicaps, the club has over achieved consistently since the days of Martin Jol and Frank Arnesen. I am sure if you look into the histories of other clubs you would find other similar situations that would earn those club the 'cursed' tag. Life rubs both ways - the joy and pain of being a fan.

In Tottenham's situation, life only seems to rub one way.

Tottenham has brought a lot of joy to its fans - latest time the 2-0 defeat of Chelsea in the last ever game at WHL.

wow! Celebrating defeating an opponent? Other fans celebrate winning championships, CL etc... you celebrate defeating an opponent. Like I said, small club.

You are not a fan of the club so you wouldnt appreciate what exactly has happened since Mr Levy took over. The sad thing is that you believe the crap you wrote above and to be quite honest I am not sure I should bother explaining to you.

Thank God.

CL record - well I am sure you thought we were cursed when we beat Man City to qualify for the CL and then proceeded to beat the Milan clubs losing eventually to Madrid. This season was with a young squad and an inexperienced manager - the squad didnt perform well. Cursed? No.

I see you keep mentioning victories over clubs like it is a trophy! That is a characteristic of a small club!



Finally, do you remember that song -- "2-0 and you fooookkeed it up" or "3-1 and you fioooooked it up?" I mean, any score and "you foooked it up"... do you notice how that song is always usually sung at Tottenham fans??? Your club always seems to find a way to foooook it up.





Like I said, I am not interested in convincing someone who is sooo deeply blinded. I told you so many years ago that your club was cursed. I am certain you know it deep inside your heart, but you dont want to publicly accept it.

Okay, lets make a social experiment. I can assure you now that your club will foooook up again this season. Would you like to bet with me about anything? anything at all?

Its a shame that some Africans would use the word 'curse' without reading into the situation in detail. You need to seriously read the history of Tottenham Hotspur from 1981-2001 (I know you won't because you are just simply ignorant) in terms of financial disarray we have faced in these years and see why Tottenham were 'cursed' in your terms. I would say 'stupid decision-making' made from the previous owners/directors that turned Spurs from a Top 4 team in the 80s into a mid-table/relegation team in the 90s. While Arsenal, Man United, Liverpool were moving forward, Spurs were going backwards in terms of making stupid transfer signings that eventually allowed Chelsea to move above us in the League (Thanks to Hoddle 'Spurs Legend' for building a foundation for Chelsea success)...Despite Spurs' mentality, consistency and psychology have always remained in question for the last 10-15 years, Levy managed to get the best out of Spurs and moving forward in the future with the new stadium, players, managerm european qualification and club identity at an international stage..

[danfo driver]

Rewriting history while ignoring certain facts is plain falsehood. The club is definitely not cursed. Infact considering the wage structure and other financial handicaps, the club has over achieved consistently since the days of Martin Jol and Frank Arnesen. I am sure if you look into the histories of other clubs you would find other similar situations that would earn those club the 'cursed' tag. Life rubs both ways - the joy and pain of being a fan.

In Tottenham's situation, life only seems to rub one way.

Tottenham has brought a lot of joy to its fans - latest time the 2-0 defeat of Chelsea in the last ever game at WHL.

wow! Celebrating defeating an opponent? Other fans celebrate winning championships, CL etc... you celebrate defeating an opponent. Like I said, small club.

You are not a fan of the club so you wouldnt appreciate what exactly has happened since Mr Levy took over. The sad thing is that you believe the crap you wrote above and to be quite honest I am not sure I should bother explaining to you.

Thank God.

CL record - well I am sure you thought we were cursed when we beat Man City to qualify for the CL and then proceeded to beat the Milan clubs losing eventually to Madrid. This season was with a young squad and an inexperienced manager - the squad didnt perform well. Cursed? No.

I see you keep mentioning victories over clubs like it is a trophy! That is a characteristic of a small club!



Finally, do you remember that song -- "2-0 and you fooookkeed it up" or "3-1 and you fioooooked it up?" I mean, any score and "you foooked it up"... do you notice how that song is always usually sung at Tottenham fans??? Your club always seems to find a way to foooook it up.





Like I said, I am not interested in convincing someone who is sooo deeply blinded. I told you so many years ago that your club was cursed. I am certain you know it deep inside your heart, but you dont want to publicly accept it.

Okay, lets make a social experiment. I can assure you now that your club will foooook up again this season. Would you like to bet with me about anything? anything at all?

Its a shame that some Africans would use the word 'curse' without reading into the situation in detail. You need to seriously read the history of Tottenham Hotspur from 1981-2001 (I know you won't because you are just simply ignorant) in terms of financial disarray we have faced in these years and see why Tottenham were 'cursed' in your terms. I would say 'stupid decision-making' made from the previous owners/directors that turned Spurs from a Top 4 team in the 80s into a mid-table/relegation team in the 90s. While Arsenal, Man United, Liverpool were moving forward, Spurs were going backwards in terms of making stupid transfer signings that eventually allowed Chelsea to move above us in the League (Thanks to Hoddle 'Spurs Legend' for building a foundation for Chelsea success)...Despite Spurs' mentality, consistency and psychology have always remained in question for the last 10-15 years, Levy managed to get the best out of Spurs and moving forward in the future with the new stadium, players, managerm european qualification and club identity at an international stage..

I think the shame is that some Africans want to commit suicide because Tottenham, a club in a foreign land, is cursed!

[Mr. Piffington]

They should let his yansh rot on the bench.

You know, I always wonder what manner of human being speaks like this. One thing i have found is that football fans are very emotional and irrational when it comes to football. Deeply rabid.

A man works for a company. He no longer wants to work there and will like to leave. He is insulted and pilloried. They demand that his career be destroyed or stunted because he wants to change jobs. I dont understand this. Look at what is happening to berahino. Is that a normal behavior of a company? Why should a man be forced to remain at the same office or same location, if he chooses he wants a change for himself and his family? When Payet left Marseille to come to West Ham, did Marseille force his "yansh to rot on the bench?"

The irrationality is staggering. The man wants to leave, find a solution and let him leave.

I wasn't going to reply you but I'll reply just this once.

There is a contract between the two, club and player. If a club says "you know what we don't want to pay you again" I suspect there would be uproar.

He signed a new contract about 4 months ago. I hope a gun wasn't put to his head to sign?

Contract must be respected. Suddenly Payet says I don't want to play for you again. Does that sound like someone who tried to find an amicable way or your amicability is Payet saying and West Ham must do?

Please think before you talk. Payet has every right to seek pasture new and West Ham have every right to sell but both parties must agree.

It's amazing that a club that pays them very good money cannot force them to sign for another club but a player can ignore all the fans, the club have done for him and decide his signature and contract is worth nothing - when I want to leave I'll just stop playing.

Both entity need protecting and Payet has gone about it all wrong. If you can't see it then I'm sorry

This place is full of old men who act like 5 year old girls. "I wasnt going to respond to you." Who gives a flying dangidy dam.n whether you were going to respond? You think I am a 17 year old boy toasting you and waiting for your response??? are you a 13 year old girl? Please grow up! If you want to respond, do so. If you dont want to respond, move along. This childishness and b1tchyness on cybereagles is just becoming disgusting. You are an old man, act like one.


To the issue, Payet and West Ham have a contract. do you know what a contract is? Do you know the terms of the contract??? Please, dont give me that nonsense. A contract does not mean that West Ham should enslave Payet because he wants to leave. Afterall, I am sure you also signed a contract at your job, even if you are a taxi driver. Every company signs an agreement with their employer before he/she is hired. Payet wants out, West Ham simply needs to state their price! SIMPLE!

LOOK at the nonsense I highlighted, can you believe it???? what has west ham done for Payet? Did they save his family from genocide??? can you believe that rubbish! This is the nonsense that fans always spout! "What the club has done for him!" what da diggity foooooook has west ham done? Can it be compared to what Payet did for West Ham last year? Is this the thanks he gets for carrying them last year??? This is a business! Not personal! No one gives a damn about what one did for the other, the man wants out, sell him! Good grief!

CyberEagles, I swear this place go kill me!

[Cristao II]

Still waiting for danfo driver to define what a fooked up finish for Spurs is.