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marutimon wrote:Idrissa Gueye is better than Kante. And he even has the stats to back it up. He was better than Kante in France and even in his worst season ever at Aston Villa he was on par with Kante. As it stands he's a minor upgrade on Kante in every department - covers more ground, tackles better, has better ball control, dribbles better, is faster, attacks better, has a better passing range.

Kante just made the better career choice when joining Leicester City.

pajimoh wrote:

paj wrote:I put this argument up on my whatsapp group...people are asking who Gueye is and which club he plays for

Is that the group for the brainless drug abusers and you wonder why they ask? Go ahead ask them their names? I bet they're too stoned to remember

green4life wrote:Marutimon, sorry but you come across as someone who's jealous that Gueye is barely being mentioned in the same breath as Kante by pundits or what have you. A massive reason is due to the performance of Kante's current team. If they were languishing in 10th place or outside top 4, Kante wouldn't receive anywhere as much applause. Everton, on the other hand are exactly where they've always been: in and around the top 6 and most definitely out of the top 4. Whether they had Gueye or no Gueye there's no difference. You can usually guess where they will finish: anywhere between 7th up to 5th. So you tell me the impact of Gueye? Whereas Kante took a team, Leicester, that before the season started most bet that they would get relegated and won the league. He left and they slipped back into relegation zone. The current change in fortune is likely due to initial bump from a change in manager but we don't know how long it will last. But realistically, a good if not amazing season for Leicester is finishing as high as 8th or even 7th and wining a domestic cup. Not even close to Everton in any way - except for doing the unthinkable last season for which Kante can claim a massive role in ... something unfortunately that Gueye hasn't done. He couldn't even lead his country - star studded team and all - to win a nations cup when most of the ANC big dogs were in real crisis mode.

marutimon wrote:

green4life wrote:Marutimon, sorry but you come across as someone who's jealous that Gueye is barely being mentioned in the same breath as Kante by pundits or what have you.

Actually Gueye is being mentioned a lot by pundits in categories such as:
- best buy of the season (a mere 7 mln)
- best midfielders in Europe and/or England
- best tackler in Europe
- best DM in Europe and/or England

And there have been a whole lot of comparisons made by pundits comparing Gueye to Kante. Also - unlike Ndidi or Wanyama - Gueye is essentially the same type of player as Kante.

Just put in "Gueye Kante" into google. You get a whole lot of people comparing Gueye to Kante, amongst them:
Steve Walsh (the guy who brought Kante to Leicester): When asked who could be the next Kante, Walsh told the Times: “I’ve already found him,” speaking of Gueye.

A massive reason is due to the performance of Kante's current team. If they were languishing in 10th place or outside top 4, Kante wouldn't receive anywhere as much applause. Everton, on the other hand are exactly where they've always been: in and around the top 6 and most definitely out of the top 4. Whether they had Gueye or no Gueye there's no difference. You can usually guess where they will finish: anywhere between 7th up to 5th. So you tell me the impact of Gueye? Whereas Kante took a team, Leicester, that before the season started most bet that they would get relegated and won the league. He left and they slipped back into relegation zone. The current change in fortune is likely due to initial bump from a change in manager but we don't know how long it will last. But realistically, a good if not amazing season for Leicester is finishing as high as 8th or even 7th and wining a domestic cup. Not even close to Everton in any way - except for doing the unthinkable last season for which Kante can claim a massive role in ... something unfortunately that Gueye hasn't done. He couldn't even lead his country - star studded team and all - to win a nations cup when most of the ANC big dogs were in real crisis mode.

Again - blaiming an individual for the shortcomings of the team. Your argument is going around in circles: Gueye is not as good because his team and his team tactics aren't as good as Kante's.

Leicester slipped back into relegation zone, because Ranieri stopped playing his team like last season. Since Shakespeare took over, reverted the team back to last season's tactics and replaced Kante with Ndidi his record is surprisingly familiar to last season: four wins in a row, no losses, no draws, 11 goals scored. This includes wins over Sevilla, Liverpool and West Ham away.

All of a sudden Kante doesn't seem to be missing any more.

wale1974 wrote:

pajimoh wrote:

paj wrote:I put this argument up on my whatsapp group...people are asking who Gueye is and which club he plays for

Is that the group for the brainless drug abusers and you wonder why they ask? Go ahead ask them their names? I bet they're too stoned to remember

kajifu wrote:

green4life wrote:Marutimon, sorry but you come across as someone who's jealous that Gueye is barely being mentioned in the same breath as Kante by pundits or what have you. A massive reason is due to the performance of Kante's current team. If they were languishing in 10th place or outside top 4, Kante wouldn't receive anywhere as much applause. Everton, on the other hand are exactly where they've always been: in and around the top 6 and most definitely out of the top 4. Whether they had Gueye or no Gueye there's no difference. You can usually guess where they will finish: anywhere between 7th up to 5th. So you tell me the impact of Gueye? Whereas Kante took a team, Leicester, that before the season started most bet that they would get relegated and won the league. He left and they slipped back into relegation zone. The current change in fortune is likely due to initial bump from a change in manager but we don't know how long it will last. But realistically, a good if not amazing season for Leicester is finishing as high as 8th or even 7th and wining a domestic cup. Not even close to Everton in any way - except for doing the unthinkable last season for which Kante can claim a massive role in ... something unfortunately that Gueye hasn't done. He couldn't even lead his country - star studded team and all - to win a nations cup when most of the ANC big dogs were in real crisis mode.

Oga G4L I don't think he is jealous,he has put stats to back his claim Both are good players but one things stats don't always tell the true story.
Do you think if Kante would have stay at Leicester he would help them be in top 6 this season?Kante was not Leicester best player last season.How did he help France on home soil in Euro?
I will take Kante over Gueye as I have not watch him enough,what you failed to see is that this season Leicester will not be able to repeat same miracle they did even if they keep their same team and add Messi.Leicester is in CL and doing well and Chelsea has no European football.You try to dismiss Moses important to the Chelsea good furtune,after the emirate yash open Moses coming in change a lot and he is among Chelsea top 4 best player,his position is very hard to play,Iva was ask to leave,Wllian what ever they call him turn out to be a bench warmer,Oscar was ship out all thanks to Moses and you think he is not impartant as Kante to Chelsea team?

kajifu wrote:

green4life wrote:Marutimon, sorry but you come across as someone who's jealous that Gueye is barely being mentioned in the same breath as Kante by pundits or what have you. A massive reason is due to the performance of Kante's current team. If they were languishing in 10th place or outside top 4, Kante wouldn't receive anywhere as much applause. Everton, on the other hand are exactly where they've always been: in and around the top 6 and most definitely out of the top 4. Whether they had Gueye or no Gueye there's no difference. You can usually guess where they will finish: anywhere between 7th up to 5th. So you tell me the impact of Gueye? Whereas Kante took a team, Leicester, that before the season started most bet that they would get relegated and won the league. He left and they slipped back into relegation zone. The current change in fortune is likely due to initial bump from a change in manager but we don't know how long it will last. But realistically, a good if not amazing season for Leicester is finishing as high as 8th or even 7th and wining a domestic cup. Not even close to Everton in any way - except for doing the unthinkable last season for which Kante can claim a massive role in ... something unfortunately that Gueye hasn't done. He couldn't even lead his country - star studded team and all - to win a nations cup when most of the ANC big dogs were in real crisis mode.

Oga G4L I don't think he is jealous,he has put stats to back his claim Both are good players but one things stats don't always tell the true story.
Do you think if Kante would have stay at Leicester he would help them be in top 6 this season?Kante was not Leicester best player last season.How did he help France on home soil in Euro?
I will take Kante over Gueye as I have not watch him enough,what you failed to see is that this season Leicester will not be able to repeat same miracle they did even if they keep their same team and add Messi.Leicester is in CL and doing well and Chelsea has no European football.You try to dismiss Moses important to the Chelsea good furtune,after the emirate yash open Moses coming in change a lot and he is among Chelsea top 4 best player,his position is very hard to play,Iva was ask to leave,Wllian what ever they call him turn out to be a bench warmer,Oscar was ship out all thanks to Moses and you think he is not impartant as Kante to Chelsea team?

danfo driver wrote:

Chimex101 wrote:Kante by several miles, no midfielder can touch the little guy right now.

Stop touching little boys you cretinous imbecile.

marutimon wrote:

kajifu wrote:

green4life wrote:Marutimon, sorry but you come across as someone who's jealous that Gueye is barely being mentioned in the same breath as Kante by pundits or what have you. A massive reason is due to the performance of Kante's current team. If they were languishing in 10th place or outside top 4, Kante wouldn't receive anywhere as much applause. Everton, on the other hand are exactly where they've always been: in and around the top 6 and most definitely out of the top 4. Whether they had Gueye or no Gueye there's no difference. You can usually guess where they will finish: anywhere between 7th up to 5th. So you tell me the impact of Gueye? Whereas Kante took a team, Leicester, that before the season started most bet that they would get relegated and won the league. He left and they slipped back into relegation zone. The current change in fortune is likely due to initial bump from a change in manager but we don't know how long it will last. But realistically, a good if not amazing season for Leicester is finishing as high as 8th or even 7th and wining a domestic cup. Not even close to Everton in any way - except for doing the unthinkable last season for which Kante can claim a massive role in ... something unfortunately that Gueye hasn't done. He couldn't even lead his country - star studded team and all - to win a nations cup when most of the ANC big dogs were in real crisis mode.

Oga G4L I don't think he is jealous,he has put stats to back his claim Both are good players but one things stats don't always tell the true story.
Do you think if Kante would have stay at Leicester he would help them be in top 6 this season?Kante was not Leicester best player last season.How did he help France on home soil in Euro?
I will take Kante over Gueye as I have not watch him enough,what you failed to see is that this season Leicester will not be able to repeat same miracle they did even if they keep their same team and add Messi.Leicester is in CL and doing well and Chelsea has no European football.You try to dismiss Moses important to the Chelsea good furtune,after the emirate yash open Moses coming in change a lot and he is among Chelsea top 4 best player,his position is very hard to play,Iva was ask to leave,Wllian what ever they call him turn out to be a bench warmer,Oscar was ship out all thanks to Moses and you think he is not impartant as Kante to Chelsea team?

I disagree with you, but at least you make a good argument, unlike green4life.

Chimex101 wrote:

danfo driver wrote:

Chimex101 wrote:Kante by several miles, no midfielder can touch the little guy right now.

Stop touching little boys you cretinous imbecile.

Dry and tasteless attempt at yabbis, you don't have to tell us your childhood experience, for the fact that your disturbed mind wandered that far sure depicts a bigger picture...seek therapy bro it is well!!

green4life wrote:

marutimon wrote:

kajifu wrote:

green4life wrote:Marutimon, sorry but you come across as someone who's jealous that Gueye is barely being mentioned in the same breath as Kante by pundits or what have you. A massive reason is due to the performance of Kante's current team. If they were languishing in 10th place or outside top 4, Kante wouldn't receive anywhere as much applause. Everton, on the other hand are exactly where they've always been: in and around the top 6 and most definitely out of the top 4. Whether they had Gueye or no Gueye there's no difference. You can usually guess where they will finish: anywhere between 7th up to 5th. So you tell me the impact of Gueye? Whereas Kante took a team, Leicester, that before the season started most bet that they would get relegated and won the league. He left and they slipped back into relegation zone. The current change in fortune is likely due to initial bump from a change in manager but we don't know how long it will last. But realistically, a good if not amazing season for Leicester is finishing as high as 8th or even 7th and wining a domestic cup. Not even close to Everton in any way - except for doing the unthinkable last season for which Kante can claim a massive role in ... something unfortunately that Gueye hasn't done. He couldn't even lead his country - star studded team and all - to win a nations cup when most of the ANC big dogs were in real crisis mode.

Oga G4L I don't think he is jealous,he has put stats to back his claim Both are good players but one things stats don't always tell the true story.
Do you think if Kante would have stay at Leicester he would help them be in top 6 this season?Kante was not Leicester best player last season.How did he help France on home soil in Euro?
I will take Kante over Gueye as I have not watch him enough,what you failed to see is that this season Leicester will not be able to repeat same miracle they did even if they keep their same team and add Messi.Leicester is in CL and doing well and Chelsea has no European football.You try to dismiss Moses important to the Chelsea good furtune,after the emirate yash open Moses coming in change a lot and he is among Chelsea top 4 best player,his position is very hard to play,Iva was ask to leave,Wllian what ever they call him turn out to be a bench warmer,Oscar was ship out all thanks to Moses and you think he is not impartant as Kante to Chelsea team?

I disagree with you, but at least you make a good argument, unlike green4life.

More objectivity. Both players moved to the EPL in same 2015/16 season to likely relegation candidates (Leicester & Aston Villa). In fact, Aston Villa is a much bigger and established club than Leicester City with storied history and what not. One player led his team to the trophy while the other led his team to being relegated. How's that for an impact assessment? You don't like what you hear because the truth hurts. Again, how do your stats help your team achieve their goals and objectives? That is the relevant question when you compare players. When you look at Spurs and see their midfielders, there's no questions as to why their currently in second place. It speaks for itself. They play well individually and also for their team.

pajimoh wrote: I think it's an unfair comparison between Leicester and Villa. Almost every player in that Villa team were piss poor. Anyone that relies on Jordan Ayew to supply the ammunition to keep his team in top flight football need their heads examined. Defensively, my goodness.
Leicester had a few players from defense to attack who were solid individually and irresistible collectively. Villa were just a victim of their own poor buys and terrible managerial appointments

pajimoh wrote:

paj wrote:I put this argument up on my whatsapp group...people are asking who Gueye is and which club he plays for

Is that the group for the brainless drug abusers and you wonder why they ask? Go ahead ask them their names? I bet they're too stoned to remember

wale1974 wrote:

pajimoh wrote:

paj wrote:I put this argument up on my whatsapp group...people are asking who Gueye is and which club he plays for

Is that the group for the brainless drug abusers and you wonder why they ask? Go ahead ask them their names? I bet they're too stoned to remember

paj wrote:Truth be told ..last season when Leicester was doing it I wasn't watching them much but my pals who did kept talking about Kante..and this was even before December...the talk was that Kante allowed The Algerian and others to do their thing.....this season @ Everton all we hear is Lukaku..didn't know much about Gueye until mentioned in this thread...but now I go watch the guy..especially when we jam Everton again in the return leg

marutimon wrote:Green4life: How many more times will you repeat the argument that X is better because his team has better results?

This is not a one man sport.
Leicester got the tactics right and had a team to play those tactics - they won the league.
Leicester stopped using those tactics and the team fell apart - the found themselves in relegation zone
Leicester reverting to using the same tried and tested tactics - 4 wins, 0 draws, 0 losses

Chelsea only started winning when Conte introduced 3-5-2 and made Victor Moses a starter. According to your logic Victor Moses is the main reason behind Chelsea's success, as it was his introduction that transformed the team, not Kante's as Chelsea was losing games prior to the tactical change.

If football was a one man sport Northern Ireland would have won some World Cup and/or Euros during the era of George Best, while Liberia would have been an African champion a couple of times during the era of George Weah.

green4life wrote:

pajimoh wrote: I think it's an unfair comparison between Leicester and Villa. Almost every player in that Villa team were piss poor. Anyone that relies on Jordan Ayew to supply the ammunition to keep his team in top flight football need their heads examined. Defensively, my goodness.
Leicester had a few players from defense to attack who were solid individually and irresistible collectively. Villa were just a victim of their own poor buys and terrible managerial appointments

If he was as good as Kante or as he asserts, better than Kante, the minimum he'd do was prevent them from going down. Ironically CFC was in a similar situation last season. the new manager came in and immediately replaced the DM, the platform became more solid and they steadily moved from 17th to 10th. That's impact. Its not only stats because his beautiful stats were useless to Aston Villa fans as they watched their beloved club go down in flames.

But if you want to blame it on his piss poor team mates, then explain how a star studded Senegal team failed to medal in the last ANC only reaching the QFs in a tournament where they clearly had the best players. Then Everton moving from 6th last season to 7th this season. Aston Villa, Senegal and Everton, where is the positive impact?

Generally when folks talk about Kante, its in relation to the positive impact his teams experience. You feel it tangibly. I don't need to look up his stats, like I've never looked up Dembele's or Wanyma's. If you can't feel it then you don't understand the game.

Cristao II wrote:Kante has a better passing range than Gueye. In terms of off the ball work, they are similar but Kante IMHO overshadows Gueye when you look at the offensive technical capability.

marutimon wrote:

Cristao II wrote:Kante has a better passing range than Gueye. In terms of off the ball work, they are similar but Kante IMHO overshadows Gueye when you look at the offensive technical capability.

Not true.

And I'll quote Steve Walsh - the guy that brought Gueye to Everton and Kante to Leicester:
“I’d say [Gueye's] use of the ball is slightly better."

That said Ndidi's passing range, offensive technical capability and general threat is so much better than either Gueye or Kante...