Re: Dortmund team bus involved in explosion
Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 1:34 pm
Ordinarily I would have no intention with making the link. A muslim did not steal my girlfriend. I have no such obsession with the religion, actually I have 0% interest in the religion.kalani JR wrote:Depends on what you consider terrorism abi? In the same way, would you call dropping bombs via air on mostly innocent civilians terror? There is a big problem with trying tie the religion with this ideology that harms society in the worst way.Tbite wrote:So you do not believe that a significant amount of terrorism is from Fundamental Islam?kalani JR wrote:Glad to see the Islamophobes are loud and out.
Anybody who doesn't accept this basic truth is PART of the reason why terrorism exists in the first place!
I personally have no interest in contributing towards terrorism. I am not in any way suggesting that this attack had even the slightest bit of Islamic influence, but in response to the danfo driver, Fundamentalist Islam is very much at the epicentre of global terrorism.
But there is a link. Now we can argue about the extent of the link, but there is a link. One counterargument could be "Oh they are not muslims, they are simply militants USING Islam as an excuse for their activities" Well what activities exactly? Smuggling of artefacts? Financial laundering, Controlling oil reserves? Gun trade? What exactly are their motivations outside of ideology and conquest? You will find that these groups will use their resources to SUSTAIN their ideology! Their ideology is not this thing on the side that they use to attract followers, it is at the centre of their existence.
How do you explain the fact that men such a Yusuf Mohammed and Shekau were groomed in our Islamic schools! How do you get past the fact that they enforce some form of corrupted Islam? How do you explain that they have ideological conflicts! If ideology is peripheral, why do groups such as Al Qaeda, Boko Haram and ISIS have conflict within themselves about religious motivations?
How do you get past the fact that there is a simultaneous incidence of fundamentalist schools of thought that are RADICAL and oppressive AND these terrorist groups that are ALSO radical and oppressive! Yet there is no link?
We know that the mother of all Islamic nations, KSA is for all intents and purposes a terrorist organization. Spreading their Wahabhism and condoning fundamentalist madness! Are we also going to say that oh no KSA is not a muslim country, it is just using fundamentalist Sharia to excuse militancy. Against its own citizens? To what end?
There is a direct link between Islam and terrorism, BUT it is not a link from moderate Islam which good muslims practice (Allah bless them), it is between fundamentalist Islam and terrorism. The fundamentalists need not be affiliated with terror organizations, Yusuf Muhammed afterall appeared to be just another ordinary Nigerian, BUT he was already a terrorist in his mindset, since he was a boy! Among us there are ALREADY terrorists in waiting, they are fundamentalist Muslims that we overlook.
Terrorists are groomed long before they ever kill anybody! If we are to fight terrorism, we must stamp out these terrorists LONG BEFORE they even join ISIS or Boko Haram. They have committed an ideological crime, that is illegal on its own. Why wait for them to kill people? Any clerics practicing hate peach should be jailed instantly!
As a country, we must also distance ourselves from fundamental countries such as Iran and the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, who promote terrorist ideals.
Evil spreads when good people do nothing. What the world needs is not for good muslims to say that they are innocent. What good does that accomplish? Good Muslims should ensure that in their community, fundamentalist clerics and students are brought to book. Muslims should also decide if they need radical laws such as Sharia, which is borderline fundamental in my opinion.
Are we trying to end terrorism or feel good about it?
One of my proposed solution to end terrorism
1) Let us be more accommodating to normal moderate Muslims than we have ever been in history, let us encourage them in every way! No travel bans, let them practice their religion in peace, more mosques if they need them. But these mosques must be randomly audited to make sure services are not radical.
2) Let us be more strict on fundamentalist Muslims than we have ever been in history. Hate speech, instant jail time, instant deportation, political pressure on countries with fundamentalist stances. Lets not even use these labels...ISIS, Al Qaeda. It doesn't matter if they have never been to Yemen or Syria, if they are fundamental...Instant jail time. This also means that America must stop being hypocritical for example and going to bed with fundamentalist actors.
Tell me how will Boko Haram recruit, when it is immediately clear that their propaganda is hollow? Muslims will stay on the right side of the line, coupled with economic reform.