[TBL] Man United (1-1) Swansea [White Pele]

[wiseone]

I fear an almighty clear out this summer. There is a good chance that Wazza, DDG, Zlatan, Carrick, Darmian, Shaw, Blind, Janujaz, Varela, and Young will not be at the club next season. Considering the number of revolving door exits and entrances over the past 3 seasons: that is way too much player turnover.

[anointed]

Clearly a dive by Marcus Rashford. I could only conclude that because I had the benefit of seeing the replay. I couldn't have know in real time. The referee couldn't have seen it except if he had an approach view or saw a replay. He was behind the ball.

Most referees' decisions in such moments rely on the direction of the ball and/or whoever gets to the ball first: player or goalie? They don't normally actually see such plays. Pierluigi Collina once said he used players' body language as well. Since Rashford got to the ball first and pushed it to a side, the referee naturally assumed that Fabianski brought Rashford down.
About time the game introduced video replays. But for now, there could be retroactive action on dives such that after reviews, a clearly guilty player like Rashford should stand to face, say, a two-match ban.

1st time I've ever heard the truth from the mouth of a manure supporter

Another lie from you. Last time you were here before today was January 18 but kudos you have made up with about 7 lies.

[tfco]

Clearly a dive by Marcus Rashford. I could only conclude that because I had the benefit of seeing the replay. I couldn't have know in real time. The referee couldn't have seen it except if he had an approach view or saw a replay. He was behind the ball.

Most referees' decisions in such moments rely on the direction of the ball and/or whoever gets to the ball first: player or goalie? They don't normally actually see such plays. Pierluigi Collina once said he used players' body language as well. Since Rashford got to the ball first and pushed it to a side, the referee naturally assumed that Fabianski brought Rashford down.
About time the game introduced video replays. But for now, there could be retroactive action on dives such that after reviews, a clearly guilty player like Rashford should stand to face, say, a two-match ban.

1st time I've ever heard the truth from the mouth of a manure supporter

Another lie from you. Last time you were here before today was January 18 but kudos you have made up with about 7 lies.

[metalalloy]

Do you guys always have to to be vulgar and insultive to one another? Can you not disagree without the insults...sorry guys i just find it hard to understand how quickly people go into the sewer over every disagreement.

lol there is no "people" there is one person in this thread that lives in a sewer. Thiefco and I have been bantering with each other for several years and will continue to do so without resorting to vulgarity. mourinhos shadow's history is well known and documented on this site. me myself, you can abuse me from now till kingdom come, it rolls off my back like water on a duck.

if you are sensitive, simply add him to your ignore list because it wont stop anytime soon. By their upbringing shall you know them

[tfco]

hey mental mugu

Spurs (2-0) Non-pragmatist

[marko]

There will be a clear out at the end of the season, there is too much dead wood in that team, literally speaking

[oloye]

I fear an almighty clear out this summer. There is a good chance that Wazza, DDG, Zlatan, Carrick, Darmian, Shaw, Blind, Janujaz, Varela, and Young will not be at the club next season. Considering the number of revolving door exits and entrances over the past 3 seasons: that is way too much player turnover.

Darnian is a waste of space, Janujaz a hype and nothing more than a hype. That Shaw should go back to Saints...he has the mental strength of a midget, another overpriced hype created my the english media. The likes of Jones and Smalling should also be on that list.

[txj]

I fear an almighty clear out this summer. There is a good chance that Wazza, DDG, Zlatan, Carrick, Darmian, Shaw, Blind, Janujaz, Varela, and Young will not be at the club next season. Considering the number of revolving door exits and entrances over the past 3 seasons: that is way too much player turnover.

Darnian is a waste of space, Janujaz a hype and nothing more than a hype. That Shaw should go back to Saints...he has the mental strength of a midget, another overpriced hype created my the english media. The likes of Jones and Smalling should also be on that list.

A manager with a greater philosophical fit with United would probably make much more of the players you have labelled junk...

Although Shaw's case is a 'lil different. I suspect he's paying the price for his earlier decisions...

[marko]

I fear an almighty clear out this summer. There is a good chance that Wazza, DDG, Zlatan, Carrick, Darmian, Shaw, Blind, Janujaz, Varela, and Young will not be at the club next season. Considering the number of revolving door exits and entrances over the past 3 seasons: that is way too much player turnover.

Darnian is a waste of space, Janujaz a hype and nothing more than a hype. That Shaw should go back to Saints...he has the mental strength of a midget, another overpriced hype created my the english media. The likes of Jones and Smalling should also be on that list.

I agree, Rooney is going, the jury is out for Lingard, personally can see the big deal, we have to sell to replace

[metalalloy]

hey mental mugu

Spurs (2-0) Non-pragmatist

LMAO! you no dey shame. so in your mind arsenal losing against a title contender is the same as manure "pragmatically" tying a relegation bound swansea?

This has to be the nadir of your tenure as a WE.

[tfco]

hey mental mugu

Spurs (2-0) Non-pragmatist

LMAO! you no dey shame. so in your mind arsenal losing against a title contender is the same as manure "pragmatically" tying a relegation bound swansea?

This has to be the nadir of your tenure as a WE.

since it flew wayyyyy over your big head

i'm referring to the City game

since you do not watch games, you assume pragmatism in EVERY United game

gosh, why do i even bother

[felarey]

I fear an almighty clear out this summer. There is a good chance that Wazza, DDG, Zlatan, Carrick, Darmian, Shaw, Blind, Janujaz, Varela, and Young will not be at the club next season. Considering the number of revolving door exits and entrances over the past 3 seasons: that is way too much player turnover.

Don't think DDG, Zlatan, Carrick, Damian, Shaw, Blind are going anywhere. DDG will cost R. Madrid an arm and leg they may not be prepared to pay for a goalie, too much hassle unless ofcourse he wants to leave. Zlatan is running out of choices for a top team at his age, if Utd fix him, he'll likely stay. Carrick only goes if he decides to retire, a 1 yr contract will be good. We haven't seen the best of Damian yet and Valencia has the spot on lock down at the moment, but he's versatile so will stay. Shaw is easily top 3 LB when he's fully fit. I'm sure Mourinho likes him regardless of the public criticism. The boy can play! Blind is going nowhere, he's exactly the type of player every great team needs. He's versatile, professional and disciplined, can play DM, LB and CD. He's quality.

Would wait to see Varela in offseason. With misfiring left sided players like Martial and Shaw, wouldn't count Young out. What we really need is a new 30 goals per season striker, unlock the full potentials of Martial and Mkhitaryan and perhaps exchange one of Jones, Smalling or Rojo for a young capable CD. I must say though that everyone of those CDs put in a shift this season, they just can't stay healthy. Our problem is the killer instinct and ruthlessness in front of goal with 14 draws, 10 at Old Trafford. Rumour says Griezmann is being looked at. Getting a settled back 4 that made Fergie so successful is key.

[wiseone]

DDG is homesick, and will not have a long distance relationship forever with his GF who lives in Madrid. Trouble is: Real Madrid do things that do not make sense. They are the type of team that would pay 50 million for a GK. Man Utd have been acting as a feeder club to Real Madrid for decades, and have a tradition of selling their best play to Real (think Becks, RVN, Ronaldo, Heinze...). This is the same team that paid nearly 170 million for 2 players alone. DDG returning to his home city to be with his GF, and to play for the European champions is inevitable at some point. I'd say Man Utd should take advantage of Sunderland's relegation and get Pickford now as DDG's replacement before he leaves.

I agree with you about Blind's quality and versatility being assets. Trouble is - I do not think JM rates him (or Shaw, Darmian, or Carrick) as much as we do. Remember that Darmian and Shaw are in the team only because of the injury crisis (there is no one else for Jose to pick). Carrick spent the first half of the season on the bench, and stayed in the team only when JM realised that Man Utd only won games when he played. Smalling, Jonesy, and Mark Red have played very well this season. Their trouble is not poor performance - it is their poor injury record, and bodies that are as brittle as stick of chin chin.

Darmian is bang average.

Tony Valence was not on my list of vulnerable players. He has no competition for the RB position though.

Don't think DDG, Zlatan, Carrick, Damian, Shaw, Blind are going anywhere. DDG will cost R. Madrid an arm and leg they may not be prepared to pay for a goalie, too much hassle unless ofcourse he wants to leave. Zlatan is running out of choices for a top team at his age, if Utd fix him, he'll likely stay. Carrick only goes if he decides to retire, a 1 yr contract will be good. We haven't seen the best of Damian yet and Valencia has the spot on lock down at the moment, but he's versatile so will stay. Shaw is easily top 3 LB when he's fully fit. I'm sure Mourinho likes him regardless of the public criticism. The boy can play! Blind is going nowhere, he's exactly the type of player every great team needs. He's versatile, professional and disciplined, can play DM, LB and CD. He's quality.

Would wait to see Varela in offseason. With misfiring left sided players like Martial and Shaw, wouldn't count Young out. What we really need is a new 30 goals per season striker, unlock the full potentials of Martial and Mkhitaryan and perhaps exchange one of Jones, Smalling or Rojo for a young capable CD. I must say though that everyone of those CDs put in a shift this season, they just can't stay healthy. Our problem is the killer instinct and ruthlessness in front of goal with 14 draws, 10 at Old Trafford. Rumour says Griezmann is being looked at. Getting a settled back 4 that made Fergie so successful is key.

[danfo driver]

Do you guys always have to to be vulgar and insultive to one another? Can you not disagree without the insults...sorry guys i just find it hard to understand how quickly people go into the sewer over every disagreement.

lol there is no "people" there is one person in this thread that lives in a sewer. Thiefco and I have been bantering with each other for several years and will continue to do so without resorting to vulgarity. mourinhos shadow's history is well known and documented on this site. me myself, you can abuse me from now till kingdom come, it rolls off my back like water on a duck.

if you are sensitive, simply add him to your ignore list because it wont stop anytime soon. By their upbringing shall you know them

Mental Coward, any work today? or are you already going to eat your snacks? fatty!

[danfo driver]

Mental Coward, What are you doing? Its not lunch time now! Id.iot! get back to work.

[mcal]

...Man Utd the draw specialist @ home

[Bigpokey24]

Manu aren't a serious team...they will gift city or pool that 4th place

[metalalloy]

hey mental mugu

Spurs (2-0) Non-pragmatist

LMAO! you no dey shame. so in your mind arsenal losing against a title contender is the same as manure "pragmatically" tying a relegation bound swansea?

This has to be the nadir of your tenure as a WE.

since it flew wayyyyy over your big head

i'm referring to the City game

since you do not watch games, you assume pragmatism in EVERY United game

gosh, why do i even bother

Ok lets get this straight, so you were not being pragmatic today, yet came out with a dive aided draw against a relegation bound team, but you were pragmatic against City that you are fighting for a C.league spot, and still achieved the same result?

[felarey]

At 200k per week, if that is the type of mentality he has and is homesick, I'd like to drive him to the airport myself. Other than Ronaldo whose speculation went on for 3 yrs, the relationship between those players and Fergie had started to breakdown somewhat. Fergie was an absolute manager.

Pickford??? I won't touch anything at Sunderland right now talkless a player or goalkeeper. We can surely do better. Every manager plans for Carrick's retirement and eventual exit until they realize Man Utd don't lose when Carrick is playing and in form. I think Shaw and Damian just need a run of games, for me Shaw is a gem, remember what he was doing in LVG's team before the leg break. Damian is supposed to be two footed, highly rated in Italy and started his career as CD, suggests versatility and could come good.

DDG is homesick, and will not have a long distance relationship forever with his GF who lives in Madrid. Trouble is: Real Madrid do things that do not make sense. They are the type of team that would pay 50 million for a GK. Man Utd have been acting as a feeder club to Real Madrid for decades, and have a tradition of selling their best play to Real (think Becks, RVN, Ronaldo, Heinze...). This is the same team that paid nearly 170 million for 2 players alone. DDG returning to his home city to be with his GF, and to play for the European champions is inevitable at some point. I'd say Man Utd should take advantage of Sunderland's relegation and get Pickford now as DDG's replacement before he leaves.

I agree with you about Blind's quality and versatility being assets. Trouble is - I do not think JM rates him (or Shaw, Darmian, or Carrick) as much as we do. Remember that Darmian and Shaw are in the team only because of the injury crisis (there is no one else for Jose to pick). Carrick spent the first half of the season on the bench, and stayed in the team only when JM realised that Man Utd only won games when he played. Smalling, Jonesy, and Mark Red have played very well this season. Their trouble is not poor performance - it is their poor injury record, and bodies that are as brittle as stick of chin chin.

Darmian is bang average.

Tony Valence was not on my list of vulnerable players. He has no competition for the RB position though.

Don't think DDG, Zlatan, Carrick, Damian, Shaw, Blind are going anywhere. DDG will cost R. Madrid an arm and leg they may not be prepared to pay for a goalie, too much hassle unless ofcourse he wants to leave. Zlatan is running out of choices for a top team at his age, if Utd fix him, he'll likely stay. Carrick only goes if he decides to retire, a 1 yr contract will be good. We haven't seen the best of Damian yet and Valencia has the spot on lock down at the moment, but he's versatile so will stay. Shaw is easily top 3 LB when he's fully fit. I'm sure Mourinho likes him regardless of the public criticism. The boy can play! Blind is going nowhere, he's exactly the type of player every great team needs. He's versatile, professional and disciplined, can play DM, LB and CD. He's quality.

Would wait to see Varela in offseason. With misfiring left sided players like Martial and Shaw, wouldn't count Young out. What we really need is a new 30 goals per season striker, unlock the full potentials of Martial and Mkhitaryan and perhaps exchange one of Jones, Smalling or Rojo for a young capable CD. I must say though that everyone of those CDs put in a shift this season, they just can't stay healthy. Our problem is the killer instinct and ruthlessness in front of goal with 14 draws, 10 at Old Trafford. Rumour says Griezmann is being looked at. Getting a settled back 4 that made Fergie so successful is key.

[wiseone]

Felarey, DDG can go to Madrid, get paid more than 200K, AND live with his girlfriend in his hometown - while playing for the European and world champions. Not many people would turn down the chance to move back home for more money to be with their loved ones and family. Like I said in my earlier post, the only players that can replace DDG without a drop in quality are Neuer and Courtois (and neither is going to join Man Utd).

Pickford is the best of the young GKs that are obtainable. Not everything at Sunderland is dross. Defoe, Khazri, and Anichebe have played well this season (and they have a Champions League winner in their squad).

At 200k per week, if that is the type of mentality he has and is homesick, I'd like to drive him to the airport myself. Other than Ronaldo whose speculation went on for 3 yrs, the relationship between those players and Fergie had started to breakdown somewhat. Fergie was an absolute manager.

Pickford??? I won't touch anything at Sunderland right now talkless a player or goalkeeper. We can surely do better. Every manager plans for Carrick's retirement and eventual exit until they realize Man Utd don't lose when Carrick is playing and in form. I think Shaw and Damian just need a run of games, for me Shaw is a gem, remember what he was doing in LVG's team before the leg break. Damian is supposed to be two footed, highly rated in Italy and started his career as CD, suggests versatility and could come good.

[danfo driver]

Felarey, DDG can go to Madrid, get paid more than 200K, AND live with his girlfriend in his hometown - while playing for the European and world champions. Not many people would turn down the chance to move back home for more money to be with their loved ones and family. Like I said in my earlier post, the only players that can replace DDG without a drop in quality are Neuer and Courtois (and neither is going to join Man Utd).

Pickford is the best of the young GKs that are obtainable. Not everything at Sunderland is dross. Defoe, Khazri, and Anichebe have played well this season (and they have a Champions League winner in their squad).

At 200k per week, if that is the type of mentality he has and is homesick, I'd like to drive him to the airport myself. Other than Ronaldo whose speculation went on for 3 yrs, the relationship between those players and Fergie had started to breakdown somewhat. Fergie was an absolute manager.

Pickford??? I won't touch anything at Sunderland right now talkless a player or goalkeeper. We can surely do better. Every manager plans for Carrick's retirement and eventual exit until they realize Man Utd don't lose when Carrick is playing and in form. I think Shaw and Damian just need a run of games, for me Shaw is a gem, remember what he was doing in LVG's team before the leg break. Damian is supposed to be two footed, highly rated in Italy and started his career as CD, suggests versatility and could come good.

Pickford is NOT on the list.

[benteke]

Swansea has been our boogie the past 2 seasons they gave LVG a lot of grief, I expect a lot of trouble from Southampton as well.

The end of the season won't be easy.

[wiseone]

We do not deserve to finish 4th with some of the bang average vanilla performances at home. If you cannot beat Swansea, Burnley, West Ham, WBA, Hull, Bournemouth, Stoke, and relegation teams at home, constantly throw away winning situations by conceding late goals (Everton, Arsenal, Swansea) because your manager keeps trying to win 1-0, then you have no business in the CL.

If Bailly does not recover in time, Man Utd will have a serious situation on their hands for the Europa League semi-final against Celta. Jose will either have to play two short and slow full backs in central defence, or take a massive gamble (which he will not do) and hand a starting 11 debut to a talented and quick (but very raw and inexperienced) teenager). Said teenager (Tuanzebe) is only raw and inexperienced because Jose did not think it was a good idea to give him low-pressure minutes in games where Man Utd were winning 2-0 and 3-0. If he makes his debut, it will be in an intense, high pressure, situation, in a semi-final, with CL football at stake. Well done Jose.

The injuries to Pogba and Bailly were due to Jose's stubborn refusal to play youngsters. Jose preferred to run first team players into the ground, rather than rest them and give a game to a talented youngster. Both players should have been resting and should not have been on the pitch at the time they got injured.

Swansea has been our boogie the past 2 seasons they gave LVG a lot of grief, I expect a lot of trouble from Southampton as well.

The end of the season won't be easy.