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Okocha10 wrote:tfco wrote:when they retire, people will remember this...nemi2002 wrote:When they both retire, it will be clear that Messi was a better footballer
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Re: This is the best footballer since Pele
CRon anyday over Messi. Maybe I'm old school but there's something to be said about going to 3 finals and losing all 3 - what kind of greatest of all time is that? It's almost slander. Would that have happened to Pele, Maradonna, Ronaldinho, Zidane, Ronaldo De Lima? Hell no. It's not only about being pleasing on the eye, or dribbling; it's about leadership, balls, mentality, big game presence - in those aspects not only is Cron better than Messi, there are a whole slew of players (Neymar, Robben, Lahm among them) now who are more dependable and ballsy than Messi.Okocha10 wrote:tfco wrote:when they retire, people will remember this...nemi2002 wrote:When they both retire, it will be clear that Messi was a better footballer
When their careers are done and dusted, and we see their whole body of work, I am in no doubt that most people will agree that Ronaldo was the better player. It's already happening now.
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^The nonsensical nature of the debate is best defined in the 3 finals, 3 defeats argument. Does one man win a final? It could be argued, of those myriad Gods ascending to the heavens, who amongst them was armed with a team inferior to the Argentina of the world cup past? Zidane's France, Ronaldo's Brazil, Pele's is arguably one of the finest national teams ever. Perhaps Maradona's Albiceleste were lesser. #straightface. Team's win team sports. From the right of the mouth t'is argued, the brilliance at Barcelona was due to a brilliant team and not the individual, yet from the left side, the failure of Argentina is due to the individual and not the plethora of pitfalls at association, managerial and personnel level.
Nevertheless, not one of that has done, could do or will do it at the Hawthorns on a Thursday night, match rescheduled, congested fixture list...Gareth McCauley steaming in for the inswinger.
Nevertheless, not one of that has done, could do or will do it at the Hawthorns on a Thursday night, match rescheduled, congested fixture list...Gareth McCauley steaming in for the inswinger.
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Even though I didn't quite get your Shakespearan write up, but Messi too has had his share of brilliant footballers with Argentina in Aguero, Tevez, Mascherano, Di Maria, Higuain (yes Higuain) and others, but he did not deliver. You cannot compare Argentina's lineup to Chile, Portugal, yet still thrump Argentina. I am tired of all the excuses about Messi not having the support cast, meanwhile if you look at the team that Ronaldo had at his disposal against star studded teams like France, Germany and Italy and still won the Euros, there is no excuse here for Messi.Coach wrote:^The nonsensical nature of the debate is best defined in the 3 finals, 3 defeats argument. Does one man win a final? It could be argued, of those myriad Gods ascending to the heavens, who amongst them was armed with a team inferior to the Argentina of the world cup past? Zidane's France, Ronaldo's Brazil, Pele's is arguably one of the finest national teams ever. Perhaps Maradona's Albiceleste were lesser. #straightface. Team's win team sports. From the right of the mouth t'is argued, the brilliance at Barcelona was due to a brilliant team and not the individual, yet from the left side, the failure of Argentina is due to the individual and not the plethora of pitfalls at association, managerial and personnel level.
Nevertheless, not one of that has done, could do or will do it at the Hawthorns on a Thursday night, match rescheduled, congested fixture list...Gareth McCauley steaming in for the inswinger.
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coach talking rubbish about cast etc...
as of 2014, here are the cost of both teams..
https://www.thescore.com/news/511056
Argentina
Total Market Value: $654,482,640
Rank: 3
Highest-Valued Player: Lionel Messi ($163,332,000)
Portugal
Total Market Value: $399,518,890
Rank: 9
Highest-Valued Player: Cristiano Ronaldo ($136,110,000)
Messi should have won at least one tournament for his nation with the likes of quality supporting cast compared to CRon
i had to slip ours in here , Mikel is all but gold
Nigeria
Total Market Value: $138,455,956
Rank: 22
Highest-Valued Player: John Obi Mikel ($27,222,000)
as of 2014, here are the cost of both teams..
https://www.thescore.com/news/511056
Argentina
Total Market Value: $654,482,640
Rank: 3
Highest-Valued Player: Lionel Messi ($163,332,000)
Portugal
Total Market Value: $399,518,890
Rank: 9
Highest-Valued Player: Cristiano Ronaldo ($136,110,000)
Messi should have won at least one tournament for his nation with the likes of quality supporting cast compared to CRon
i had to slip ours in here , Mikel is all but gold
Nigeria
Total Market Value: $138,455,956
Rank: 22
Highest-Valued Player: John Obi Mikel ($27,222,000)
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Re: This is the best footballer since Pele
Has Messi retired?Bigpokey24 wrote:coach talking rubbish about cast etc...
as of 2014, here are the cost of both teams..
https://www.thescore.com/news/511056
Argentina
Total Market Value: $654,482,640
Rank: 3
Highest-Valued Player: Lionel Messi ($163,332,000)
Portugal
Total Market Value: $399,518,890
Rank: 9
Highest-Valued Player: Cristiano Ronaldo ($136,110,000)
Messi should have won at least one tournament for his nation with the likes of quality supporting cast compared to CRon
i had to slip ours in here , Mikel is all but gold
Nigeria
Total Market Value: $138,455,956
Rank: 22
Highest-Valued Player: John Obi Mikel ($27,222,000)
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has Cron retired?nemi2002 wrote:Has Messi retired?Bigpokey24 wrote:coach talking rubbish about cast etc...
as of 2014, here are the cost of both teams..
https://www.thescore.com/news/511056
Argentina
Total Market Value: $654,482,640
Rank: 3
Highest-Valued Player: Lionel Messi ($163,332,000)
Portugal
Total Market Value: $399,518,890
Rank: 9
Highest-Valued Player: Cristiano Ronaldo ($136,110,000)
Messi should have won at least one tournament for his nation with the likes of quality supporting cast compared to CRon
i had to slip ours in here , Mikel is all but gold
Nigeria
Total Market Value: $138,455,956
Rank: 22
Highest-Valued Player: John Obi Mikel ($27,222,000)
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i love reading how the remaining 10 players in Argentina NT are scrubs and The Swede is carrying them.
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Re: This is the best footballer since Pele
Messi gotta make it happen for Argentina when he's not running along side the best players in the world.tfco wrote:when they retire, people will remember this...nemi2002 wrote:When they both retire, it will be clear that Messi was a better footballer
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Don't forget CRon took Carrick and Fletcher to 3 CL finals. Messi is great but even greater when he's playing with the greatest players in the world on his side.Coach wrote:^The nonsensical nature of the debate is best defined in the 3 finals, 3 defeats argument. Does one man win a final? It could be argued, of those myriad Gods ascending to the heavens, who amongst them was armed with a team inferior to the Argentina of the world cup past? Zidane's France, Ronaldo's Brazil, Pele's is arguably one of the finest national teams ever. Perhaps Maradona's Albiceleste were lesser. #straightface. Team's win team sports. From the right of the mouth t'is argued, the brilliance at Barcelona was due to a brilliant team and not the individual, yet from the left side, the failure of Argentina is due to the individual and not the plethora of pitfalls at association, managerial and personnel level.
Nevertheless, not one of that has done, could do or will do it at the Hawthorns on a Thursday night, match rescheduled, congested fixture list...Gareth McCauley steaming in for the inswinger.
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Add to that, Messi hasn't always been the best player for Argentina in all those competitions.Rogermilla wrote:Even though I didn't quite get your Shakespearan write up, but Messi too has had his share of brilliant footballers with Argentina in Aguero, Tevez, Mascherano, Di Maria, Higuain (yes Higuain) and others, but he did not deliver. You cannot compare Argentina's lineup to Chile, Portugal, yet still thrump Argentina. I am tired of all the excuses about Messi not having the support cast, meanwhile if you look at the team that Ronaldo had at his disposal against star studded teams like France, Germany and Italy and still won the Euros, there is no excuse here for Messi.Coach wrote:^The nonsensical nature of the debate is best defined in the 3 finals, 3 defeats argument. Does one man win a final? It could be argued, of those myriad Gods ascending to the heavens, who amongst them was armed with a team inferior to the Argentina of the world cup past? Zidane's France, Ronaldo's Brazil, Pele's is arguably one of the finest national teams ever. Perhaps Maradona's Albiceleste were lesser. #straightface. Team's win team sports. From the right of the mouth t'is argued, the brilliance at Barcelona was due to a brilliant team and not the individual, yet from the left side, the failure of Argentina is due to the individual and not the plethora of pitfalls at association, managerial and personnel level.
Nevertheless, not one of that has done, could do or will do it at the Hawthorns on a Thursday night, match rescheduled, congested fixture list...Gareth McCauley steaming in for the inswinger.
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Skylolo wrote:It seems we have to do this everytime Ronaldo has a great game / season, at the end of the day they have shared the same pitch enough times in La Liga....we all know who the best is.
And even on numbers / volume where Ronaldo prides himself he cannot touch Messi.
OVERALL
Name Games Goals Assists Ratio
Messi***581*****505*****230****1.265*
Ronaldo*683*****517*****188****1.032*
So not only does Messi have more goals + Assists overall with 102 less appearances, for all the talk of left foot, right foot and head and how Ronaldo is more complete...Messi is the more effective attacking player. The numbers show what we can see with our eyes during games that Messi is overall the more creative player and is more involved in the build up to goals because for every 2.5 goals he has scored he has assisted 1. While Ronaldo for every 3.6 goals assists 1. Pretty sure the numbers will tell the full story of just how much better Messi is if statistics on chances created over their careers is ever produced....
Just to be clear if Messi continues at this rate by the time he will have played 683 career games like Ronaldo has played he will have blasted in close to 600 goals and will likely be approaching 300 assists.
Ronaldo is amazing but Messi is the best of this Era.
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Flawed argument that emphasizes Messi is nothing without Barca or his mates at Barca. The closest even grounds are La Liga and national team.Skylolo wrote:It seems we have to do this everytime Ronaldo has a great game / season, at the end of the day they have shared the same pitch enough times in La Liga....we all know who the best is.
And even on numbers / volume where Ronaldo prides himself he cannot touch Messi.
OVERALL
Name Games Goals Assists Ratio
Messi***581*****505*****230****1.265*
Ronaldo*683*****517*****188****1.032*
So not only does Messi have more goals + Assists overall with 102 less appearances, for all the talk of left foot, right foot and head and how Ronaldo is more complete...Messi is the more effective attacking player. The numbers show what we can see with our eyes during games that Messi is overall the more creative player and is more involved in the build up to goals because for every 2.5 goals he has scored he has assisted 1. While Ronaldo for every 3.6 goals assists 1. Pretty sure the numbers will tell the full story of just how much better Messi is if statistics on chances created over their careers is ever produced....
Just to be clear if Messi continues at this rate by the time he will have played 683 career games like Ronaldo has played he will have blasted in close to 600 goals and will likely be approaching 300 assists.
Ronaldo is amazing but Messi is the best of this Era.
Ronaldo has 280 goals in 262 games in La Liga
Messi has 345 goals in 379 games in La Liga
One could wonder how many Ronny will have by the time he's played 65 more games in La Liga. This stat suggests CRon is the more effective attacking player.
For national team:
Ronaldo has 71 goals in 138 games
Messi has 58 goals in 117.
Again, the ratios suggest Ronnie is the more effective attacking player. You might want to also add these records:
Most hat-tricks in La Liga history: 32
Most goals scored from penalty kicks in La Liga history: 57
Fastest La Liga player to score 150 league goals (140 games)
Fastest La Liga player to score 200 league goals (178 games)
Fastest player to reach 300 official club goals
Most goals scored in Madrid Derby matches: 18
Most consecutive Clásico matches scored in: 6 matches
Best scoring start in a Spanish league season: 15 goals in eight rounds
Fastest player to reach 20 league goals in one season: 12 games (missed one game due to injury)
Only player to reach 30 goals in six consecutive La Liga seasons
Most teams scored against in a season (2012–13): 19 (shared with Ronaldo and Lionel Messi)
Most La Liga hat-tricks in a season: 8 hat-tricks (shared with Lionel Messi)
Most hat-tricks scored in all competitions: 36
Real Madrid
Real Madrid all-time top goalscorer: 400 goals
Top goalscorer in La Liga: 279 goals
Fastest player to reach 50 league goals
Fastest player to reach 100 league goals
Fastest player to reach 200 official goals
Fastest player to reach 250 official goals
Most goals scored in seven consecutive league matches: 15 goals
First player to score in eight consecutive matchdays
Most hat-tricks in Real Madrid's history: 3
Real Madrid Record Goalscorer in UEFA Champions League: 86 goals
Real Madrid Record Goalscorer in European Competitions: 90 goals*
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Re: This is the best footballer since Pele
Since Pele? You mean since Ronaldinho...
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Re: This is the best footballer since Pele
An argument not worth having. Ronnie Corbett is, without doubt, a phenomenon, but the court is somewhat marsupial whenever said debate is brought to the courthouse. Boing, Boing!
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That goals are the only quantity you quote to judge attacking players might help to understand why you are unable to comprehend why Messi is better Maybe it is a futile effort with some of you tbh, maybe you are just not capable of getting it!felarey wrote:Flawed argument that emphasizes Messi is nothing without Barca or his mates at Barca. The closest even grounds are La Liga and national team.Skylolo wrote:It seems we have to do this everytime Ronaldo has a great game / season, at the end of the day they have shared the same pitch enough times in La Liga....we all know who the best is.
And even on numbers / volume where Ronaldo prides himself he cannot touch Messi.
OVERALL
Name Games Goals Assists Ratio
Messi***581*****505*****230****1.265*
Ronaldo*683*****517*****188****1.032*
So not only does Messi have more goals + Assists overall with 102 less appearances, for all the talk of left foot, right foot and head and how Ronaldo is more complete...Messi is the more effective attacking player. The numbers show what we can see with our eyes during games that Messi is overall the more creative player and is more involved in the build up to goals because for every 2.5 goals he has scored he has assisted 1. While Ronaldo for every 3.6 goals assists 1. Pretty sure the numbers will tell the full story of just how much better Messi is if statistics on chances created over their careers is ever produced....
Just to be clear if Messi continues at this rate by the time he will have played 683 career games like Ronaldo has played he will have blasted in close to 600 goals and will likely be approaching 300 assists.
Ronaldo is amazing but Messi is the best of this Era.
Ronaldo has 280 goals in 262 games in La Liga
Messi has 345 goals in 379 games in La Liga
One could wonder how many Ronny will have by the time he's played 65 more games in La Liga. This stat suggests CRon is the more effective attacking player.
For national team:
Ronaldo has 71 goals in 138 games
Messi has 58 goals in 117.
Again, the ratios suggest Ronnie is the more effective attacking player. You might want to also add these records:
At International level I will complete the numbers for you..
Name Games Goals Assists Ratio
Ronaldo 139***71***31*****0.73
Messi 115***58***42***** 0.87
All the awards you quoted that Ronaldo achieved in La Liga don't mean a damn thing compared to Messi....Ronaldo has been in that league since 2009/10 that is 8 full seasons. In that time Messi has been voted best player in La Liga 5 times vs. Ronaldo once! Messi has been voted best forward in La Liga 6 times vs. Ronaldo once! That should tell you all you need to know that there is a lot more to the game than numbers as well....
There is no contest.
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Re: This is the best footballer since Pele
Didn't know there's a better attacking stat than goals. The total end product of goals and assists suggest Ronaldo has outdone Messi. There's a lot more to the game than numbers but I'm sure if you asked any manager what metric they'd rather take, I'm sure it'll be the numbers than a popularity vote taken from the captain and vice captain of each club in La Liga. We all know Ronaldo can't beat me when it comes to likeability. Rather go with facts than feelings.Skylolo wrote:That goals are the only quantity you quote to judge attacking players might help to understand why you are unable to comprehend why Messi is better Maybe it is a futile effort with some of you tbh, maybe you are just not capable of getting it!felarey wrote:Flawed argument that emphasizes Messi is nothing without Barca or his mates at Barca. The closest even grounds are La Liga and national team.Skylolo wrote:It seems we have to do this everytime Ronaldo has a great game / season, at the end of the day they have shared the same pitch enough times in La Liga....we all know who the best is.
And even on numbers / volume where Ronaldo prides himself he cannot touch Messi.
OVERALL
Name Games Goals Assists Ratio
Messi***581*****505*****230****1.265*
Ronaldo*683*****517*****188****1.032*
So not only does Messi have more goals + Assists overall with 102 less appearances, for all the talk of left foot, right foot and head and how Ronaldo is more complete...Messi is the more effective attacking player. The numbers show what we can see with our eyes during games that Messi is overall the more creative player and is more involved in the build up to goals because for every 2.5 goals he has scored he has assisted 1. While Ronaldo for every 3.6 goals assists 1. Pretty sure the numbers will tell the full story of just how much better Messi is if statistics on chances created over their careers is ever produced....
Just to be clear if Messi continues at this rate by the time he will have played 683 career games like Ronaldo has played he will have blasted in close to 600 goals and will likely be approaching 300 assists.
Ronaldo is amazing but Messi is the best of this Era.
Ronaldo has 280 goals in 262 games in La Liga
Messi has 345 goals in 379 games in La Liga
One could wonder how many Ronny will have by the time he's played 65 more games in La Liga. This stat suggests CRon is the more effective attacking player.
For national team:
Ronaldo has 71 goals in 138 games
Messi has 58 goals in 117.
Again, the ratios suggest Ronnie is the more effective attacking player. You might want to also add these records:
At International level I will complete the numbers for you..
Name Games Goals Assists Ratio
Ronaldo 139***71***31*****0.73
Messi 115***58***42***** 0.87
All the awards you quoted that Ronaldo achieved in La Liga don't mean a damn thing compared to Messi....Ronaldo has been in that league since 2009/10 that is 8 full seasons. In that time Messi has been voted best player in La Liga 5 times vs. Ronaldo once! Messi has been voted best forward in La Liga 6 times vs. Ronaldo once! That should tell you all you need to know that there is a lot more to the game than numbers as well....
There is no contest.
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Re: This is the best footballer since Pele
Okay I get your drift now, Ronaldo has scored more goals so he is better, okay.....felarey wrote:Didn't know there's a better attacking stat than goals. The total end product of goals and assists suggest Ronaldo has outdone Messi. There's a lot more to the game than numbers but I'm sure if you asked any manager what metric they'd rather take, I'm sure it'll be the numbers than a popularity vote taken from the captain and vice captain of each club in La Liga. We all know Ronaldo can't beat me when it comes to likeability. Rather go with facts than feelings.Skylolo wrote:That goals are the only quantity you quote to judge attacking players might help to understand why you are unable to comprehend why Messi is better Maybe it is a futile effort with some of you tbh, maybe you are just not capable of getting it!felarey wrote:Flawed argument that emphasizes Messi is nothing without Barca or his mates at Barca. The closest even grounds are La Liga and national team.Skylolo wrote:It seems we have to do this everytime Ronaldo has a great game / season, at the end of the day they have shared the same pitch enough times in La Liga....we all know who the best is.
And even on numbers / volume where Ronaldo prides himself he cannot touch Messi.
OVERALL
Name Games Goals Assists Ratio
Messi***581*****505*****230****1.265*
Ronaldo*683*****517*****188****1.032*
So not only does Messi have more goals + Assists overall with 102 less appearances, for all the talk of left foot, right foot and head and how Ronaldo is more complete...Messi is the more effective attacking player. The numbers show what we can see with our eyes during games that Messi is overall the more creative player and is more involved in the build up to goals because for every 2.5 goals he has scored he has assisted 1. While Ronaldo for every 3.6 goals assists 1. Pretty sure the numbers will tell the full story of just how much better Messi is if statistics on chances created over their careers is ever produced....
Just to be clear if Messi continues at this rate by the time he will have played 683 career games like Ronaldo has played he will have blasted in close to 600 goals and will likely be approaching 300 assists.
Ronaldo is amazing but Messi is the best of this Era.
Ronaldo has 280 goals in 262 games in La Liga
Messi has 345 goals in 379 games in La Liga
One could wonder how many Ronny will have by the time he's played 65 more games in La Liga. This stat suggests CRon is the more effective attacking player.
For national team:
Ronaldo has 71 goals in 138 games
Messi has 58 goals in 117.
Again, the ratios suggest Ronnie is the more effective attacking player. You might want to also add these records:
At International level I will complete the numbers for you..
Name Games Goals Assists Ratio
Ronaldo 139***71***31*****0.73
Messi 115***58***42***** 0.87
All the awards you quoted that Ronaldo achieved in La Liga don't mean a damn thing compared to Messi....Ronaldo has been in that league since 2009/10 that is 8 full seasons. In that time Messi has been voted best player in La Liga 5 times vs. Ronaldo once! Messi has been voted best forward in La Liga 6 times vs. Ronaldo once! That should tell you all you need to know that there is a lot more to the game than numbers as well....
There is no contest.
It is such a shame people in La Liga: Captains, Vice captains and even Statistical analysis sees the game a different way
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La Liga's best coach and player in each position—goalkeeper, defender, midfielder, and forward—are chosen based on a voting by the captain and vice-captains of each club, while the best player overall is determined via statistical analysis.
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Re: This is the best footballer since Pele
Ok, lets say he has caused more goals. Statistical analysis What analysis could a manager want more than frequency of goals? Passes completed or what? Even Donald Trump will fancy his chances in a popularity contest against Ronaldo.Skylolo wrote:Okay I get your drift now, Ronaldo has scored more goals so he is better, okay.....felarey wrote:Didn't know there's a better attacking stat than goals. The total end product of goals and assists suggest Ronaldo has outdone Messi. There's a lot more to the game than numbers but I'm sure if you asked any manager what metric they'd rather take, I'm sure it'll be the numbers than a popularity vote taken from the captain and vice captain of each club in La Liga. We all know Ronaldo can't beat me when it comes to likeability. Rather go with facts than feelings.Skylolo wrote:That goals are the only quantity you quote to judge attacking players might help to understand why you are unable to comprehend why Messi is better Maybe it is a futile effort with some of you tbh, maybe you are just not capable of getting it!felarey wrote:Flawed argument that emphasizes Messi is nothing without Barca or his mates at Barca. The closest even grounds are La Liga and national team.Skylolo wrote:It seems we have to do this everytime Ronaldo has a great game / season, at the end of the day they have shared the same pitch enough times in La Liga....we all know who the best is.
And even on numbers / volume where Ronaldo prides himself he cannot touch Messi.
OVERALL
Name Games Goals Assists Ratio
Messi***581*****505*****230****1.265*
Ronaldo*683*****517*****188****1.032*
So not only does Messi have more goals + Assists overall with 102 less appearances, for all the talk of left foot, right foot and head and how Ronaldo is more complete...Messi is the more effective attacking player. The numbers show what we can see with our eyes during games that Messi is overall the more creative player and is more involved in the build up to goals because for every 2.5 goals he has scored he has assisted 1. While Ronaldo for every 3.6 goals assists 1. Pretty sure the numbers will tell the full story of just how much better Messi is if statistics on chances created over their careers is ever produced....
Just to be clear if Messi continues at this rate by the time he will have played 683 career games like Ronaldo has played he will have blasted in close to 600 goals and will likely be approaching 300 assists.
Ronaldo is amazing but Messi is the best of this Era.
Ronaldo has 280 goals in 262 games in La Liga
Messi has 345 goals in 379 games in La Liga
One could wonder how many Ronny will have by the time he's played 65 more games in La Liga. This stat suggests CRon is the more effective attacking player.
For national team:
Ronaldo has 71 goals in 138 games
Messi has 58 goals in 117.
Again, the ratios suggest Ronnie is the more effective attacking player. You might want to also add these records:
At International level I will complete the numbers for you..
Name Games Goals Assists Ratio
Ronaldo 139***71***31*****0.73
Messi 115***58***42***** 0.87
All the awards you quoted that Ronaldo achieved in La Liga don't mean a damn thing compared to Messi....Ronaldo has been in that league since 2009/10 that is 8 full seasons. In that time Messi has been voted best player in La Liga 5 times vs. Ronaldo once! Messi has been voted best forward in La Liga 6 times vs. Ronaldo once! That should tell you all you need to know that there is a lot more to the game than numbers as well....
There is no contest.
It is such a shame people in La Liga: Captains, Vice captains and even Statistical analysis sees the game a different way
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Liga_Awards
La Liga's best coach and player in each position—goalkeeper, defender, midfielder, and forward—are chosen based on a voting by the captain and vice-captains of each club, while the best player overall is determined via statistical analysis.
We are done here.
"Winning one trophy is good, I tell you. No matter what trophy it might be, you've got to take it.” - Sir Alex Ferguson
ENGLISH PREMIERSHIP CHAMP20NS, UEFA CHAMPIONS LEAGUE WINN3RS
ENGLISH PREMIERSHIP CHAMP20NS, UEFA CHAMPIONS LEAGUE WINN3RS
Re: This is the best footballer since Pele
Messi for me any day any time. Makes everyone around him better. Makes football delightful to watch. Is effective and efficient. Plays with his team mates. No contest here for me.
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Re: This is the best footballer since Pele
Don't mind the revisionists. He had damn good players around him. Regulars from Real, Barca, Manu, Inter, PSG - the best teams in the World.Even though I didn't quite get your Shakespearan write up, but Messi too has had his share of brilliant footballers with Argentina in Aguero, Tevez, Mascherano, Di Maria, Higuain (yes Higuain) and others, but he did not deliver. You cannot compare Argentina's lineup to Chile, Portugal, yet still thrump Argentina. I am tired of all the excuses about Messi not having the support cast, meanwhile if you look at the team that Ronaldo had at his disposal against star studded teams like France, Germany and Italy and still won the Euros, there is no excuse here for Messi.
Not only did he get to 3 finals, he got to 3 finals back to back. This makes it all the more befuddling, as it means he was not able to learn from recent mistakes, fresh wounds and raise his game. Great players have the odd bad game or final, but it's rare for them to have back to back bad games. True greats like MJ who won all 6 of his finals just do not lose when they've reached the final hurdle. Goats like Usain Bolt, Tom Brady - have the ability to deliver time and again, no matter the circumstances.
He was great in Barca, truly phenomenal, but one of the best things that has happened is for Ronaldo to go to La Liga and put all Messi's accolades into perspective. When you see what Cron has been able to achieve in a shorter time, in a more chaotic set-up with arguably less talented players, it makes Messi seem a whole lot more human. If he leads Real to the first ever defense of the Champions League it will be yet another feather in the cap. The guy is just a phenom.
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Re: This is the best footballer since Pele
The easiest way to recognise people that don't know anything about football is when they say Fake Ron is better than Messi. The guy that started the thread thinks Mikelele is better than Yaya Toure. It is how Okokoborinko tried to compare Pogba with Iniesta using stats. I remember Spastic claiming that David Silva was better than Iniesta. Most of these are football illiterate arguments based on emotion, and usually coming from EPL groupies, who see Fake Ron as "their own". A bit like an English commentator who said about Thierry Henry: "born in France, but made in England".Cally wrote:Messi for me any day any time. Makes everyone around him better. Makes football delightful to watch. Is effective and efficient. Plays with his team mates. No contest here for me.
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Re: This is the best footballer since Pele
cic old boy wrote:The easiest way to recognise people that don't know anything about football is when they say Fake Ron is better than Messi. The guy that started the thread thinks Mikelele is better than Yaya Toure. It is how Okokoborinko tried to compare Pogba with Iniesta using stats. I remember Spastic claiming that David Silva was better than Iniesta. Most of these are football illiterate arguments based on emotion, and usually coming from EPL groupies, who see Fake Ron as "their own". A bit like an English commentator who said about Thierry Henry: "born in France, but made in England".Cally wrote:Messi for me any day any time. Makes everyone around him better. Makes football delightful to watch. Is effective and efficient. Plays with his team mates. No contest here for me.
CIC have you seen the new nike cr7 advert? It says somethhing like created on the streets as if ronaldo grew up playing footbball on streets of manchester. These people are shameless
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