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water carrier...

A top player in his role, with incredible range of coverage of the field. But still a water carrier...

It doesn't make his contribution any less important; but what he is, is what he is...

The extraordinary coverage and ball winning ability, while by itself important, the greatest value of his contribution lies in what it allows his team to do.

That is by definition a water carrier!

The English have a rich history and well founded experience in hyping players beyond their abilities, going all the way back..."Super Mac", Terry Butcher, Terry McDermott, Bryan Robson, Ray "Squareball" Wilkins, Paul Scholes, etc, etc...

In the FA Cup final, which is not the primary basis for my reaching this conclusion (cus I've watched him all season and before then with France), AW's positioning of Ozil, relative to Ramsey, and the interplay with Xhaka in the 2nd build-up phase, enabled Arsenal repeatedly send Kante on a fools errand. Importantly, it enabled Ramsey to constantly attack the space between left CD of Chelski...

The only player currently who comes slightly close to Kante in coverage is Madrid's Casemiro. But while the Brazilian has the technical range to play for a Barcelona for instance, the Frenchman comes up short.

Let there be no misunderstanding. I like Ngolo Kante. I am happy for him that he has won such massive recognition in England.

But he is by function and definition a watercarrier. Not a world class player by any stretch of the imagination...
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The guy can actually play, is a former winger and has very good control and dribbling skills, with a decent passing range. He is a lot more than a water carrier.
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cic old boy wrote:The guy can actually play, is a former winger and has very good control and dribbling skills, with a decent passing range. He is a lot more than a water carrier.
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I think the English press likes get in there players...Caseimero, plays exactly like Mikel...the champs league final vs Athletico Madrid that's when u noticed their similarities. .However yesterday, Conte never should have started Matic......Kante was the only player in the midfield. .when cesc came it we saw a much improved Kante
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ohsee wrote:
cic old boy wrote:The guy can actually play, is a former winger and has very good control and dribbling skills, with a decent passing range. He is a lot more than a water carrier.
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:lol:

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Chief Ogbunigwe wrote:
ohsee wrote:
cic old boy wrote:The guy can actually play, is a former winger and has very good control and dribbling skills, with a decent passing range. He is a lot more than a water carrier.
[/video]
:lol: :lol:
Chief, when I see a txj post, I prepare myself for a good chuckle.

:lol:

He can call the boy whatever he wants... I call him "difference-maker".

He is not by himself a difference maker. His contributions create the platform for others to make the difference.

That by definition is a water carrier.

It is not a slight to be called a water carrier.
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All these years (more than a decade) and you guys still do NOT know TxJ and his motivations? :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:

The man woke up this morning, as he has most of his life, looking for an argument and you guys are here responding. chaii! :rotf: :rotf:
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Kante is indeed a water carrier. He is also a world class player.
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txj wrote:
Chief Ogbunigwe wrote:
ohsee wrote:
cic old boy wrote:The guy can actually play, is a former winger and has very good control and dribbling skills, with a decent passing range. He is a lot more than a water carrier.
[/video]
:lol: :lol:
Chief, when I see a txj post, I prepare myself for a good chuckle.

:lol:

He can call the boy whatever he wants... I call him "difference-maker".

He is not by himself a difference maker. His contributions create the platform for others to make the difference.

That by definition is a water carrier.

It is not a slight to be called a water carrier.

Are you listening to yourself? You have just made the case for why he is a difference maker.
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mystic wrote:
txj wrote:
Chief Ogbunigwe wrote:
ohsee wrote:
cic old boy wrote:The guy can actually play, is a former winger and has very good control and dribbling skills, with a decent passing range. He is a lot more than a water carrier.
[/video]
:lol: :lol:
Chief, when I see a txj post, I prepare myself for a good chuckle.

:lol:

He can call the boy whatever he wants... I call him "difference-maker".

He is not by himself a difference maker. His contributions create the platform for others to make the difference.

That by definition is a water carrier.

It is not a slight to be called a water carrier.

Are you listening to yourself? You have just made the case for why he is a difference maker.
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txj wrote:
mystic wrote:
txj wrote:
Chief Ogbunigwe wrote:
ohsee wrote:
cic old boy wrote:The guy can actually play, is a former winger and has very good control and dribbling skills, with a decent passing range. He is a lot more than a water carrier.
[/video]
:lol: :lol:
Chief, when I see a txj post, I prepare myself for a good chuckle.

:lol:

He can call the boy whatever he wants... I call him "difference-maker".

He is not by himself a difference maker. His contributions create the platform for others to make the difference.

That by definition is a water carrier.

It is not a slight to be called a water carrier.

Are you listening to yourself? You have just made the case for why he is a difference maker.
His contributions...also 'make a difference'

You think intercepting the opponent's play is not 'making a difference'?

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YemiBrazil wrote:Arrant nonsense!

Nogolo Kante a water carrier? :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:

Real arrant nonsense indeed.
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@Tx, nno! Biko, please list non-water carrying difference makers.
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tfco wrote:You think intercepting the opponent's play is not 'making a difference'?[/color]
It is, but not by itself. It is in so much as it creates the platform for others...
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Coach wrote:@Tx, nno! Biko, please list non-water carrying difference makers.
In his team, Hazard for a start...
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The only picture I see beside the word water carrier in a dictionary is Mikel. I'm sure you guys know how much in love I'm with reading and memorizing dictionaries. Thus I can authoritatively state Kante has never been describe as water carrier. His name is not synonymous as a water carrier. Mba nu
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txj wrote:water carrier...

A top player in his role, with incredible range of coverage of the field. But still a water carrier...

It doesn't make his contribution any less important; but what he is, is what he is...

The extraordinary coverage and ball winning ability, while by itself important, the greatest value of his contribution lies in what it allows his team to do.

That is by definition a water carrier!

The English have a rich history and well founded experience in hyping players beyond their abilities, going all the way back..."Super Mac", Terry Butcher, Terry McDermott, Bryan Robson, Ray "Squareball" Wilkins, Paul Scholes, etc, etc...

In the FA Cup final, which is not the primary basis for my reaching this conclusion (cus I've watched him all season and before then with France), AW's positioning of Ozil, relative to Ramsey, and the interplay with Xhaka in the 2nd build-up phase, enabled Arsenal repeatedly send Kante on a fools errand. Importantly, it enabled Ramsey to constantly attack the space between left CD of Chelski...

The only player currently who comes slightly close to Kante in coverage is Madrid's Casemiro. But while the Brazilian has the technical range to play for a Barcelona for instance, the Frenchman comes up short.

Let there be no misunderstanding. I like Ngolo Kante. I am happy for him that he has won such massive recognition in England.

But he is by function and definition a watercarrier. Not a world class player by any stretch of the imagination...
Is Casemiro a Barca player?
Does playing for Barca mean a player is world class or all players who play for Barca are world class?

Define world class player?
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Speaking from both sides of the mouth in full mode.
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Ngolo Kante with Leicester - EPL Champions
Leicester without Ngolo Kante - 12th in League
Chelsea without Ngolo Kante - 10th in League
Ngolo Kante with Chelsea - EPL Champions
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@Oga Chief Tx, nno! And of those playing central midfield roles. Some would argue, even the great Busquets chaperoned the water for the Iniestas and Xavis. To suggest Kante is merely a Obiesta is to dismiss the facts and focus purely on the obvious, overlooking the unspoken. Kante is a bidirectional maestro, not only carrying the water but adding the ice and cordial.

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Bigpokey24 wrote:I think the English press likes get in there players...Caseimero, plays exactly like Mikel...the champs league final vs Athletico Madrid that's when u noticed their similarities. .However yesterday, Conte never should have started Matic......Kante was the only player in the midfield. .when cesc came it we saw a much improved Kante
Stop comparing Mikel with that Butcher(Casemiro). As much as I hate to say this but Mikel was always a fair player. Casemiro is lucky that he is playing for real madrid otherwise he will be a red card machine.

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