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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 2:32 am 
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For those for whom yankee has become second (or first) home, how wud you compare
your adoptive team (USA) and the Eagles... Players, coaching etc...

btw, anyone see the first goal? you know that's going to be in a marvel movie trailer soon


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 2:40 am 
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Organization: US has a great edge over Nigeria. No doubt about that.

Coaching: Not so sure.

Players: Nigeria edges the US on aggregate.

Summary: The USA have never lost to Nigeria at the senior level.

US 3-2 Nigeria 1995 US Cup

US 2-1 Nigeria 2014 friendly

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 2:42 am 
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Any one watching Mexico Vs USA? That goal by the Mexican Number was World Class. Left footed, driven from out side 18.
After watching other nations play, and looking at our Nigerian Team who couldn't kick their ways out of a paper bag; I begin to wonder if we have any business vying for the World Cup qualifier.

We have fallen way back it is not even funny.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 2:47 am 
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At this moment, USA have left Nigeria in the dust. Until we build our Nigerian League to be of World Standard, Nigeria may not measure up, in the world stage.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 2:49 am 
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So true


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 2:56 am 
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One loss and eveyone goes crazy.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 3:00 am 
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Synopsis wrote:
One loss and eveyone goes crazy.



Stole my words I was aBout to add .... :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 3:22 am 
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This is not only about one loss. I take a look at the match yesterday, I compare it to the ones before; and compare them to the one in the past, and quality of players performance to the performances of other countries: Germany, Italy, Spain, Mexico, Croatia, Turkey, even US now: I am dismayed at our standard as of now.

Look at this scenario: Before 1990, who ever heard of USA and Soccer? I Had been in US before then and until 1994, one will never see any Soccer event in any US Media outlet. None! But after the 1994 world cup in US, and Atlanta Olympic games after that, US made a decision to develop their local league, MLS. Now even some of the leagues in other parts of the world are looking behind their shoulders.
I bet in the next Five to Ten Years, MLS will one of the world's best; as soon as the players' pays become more attractive. The organization itself is tops.

How many Nigerian Referees are now being called up for the FIFA match tournament? Doesn't that tell us something. Until we make up our minds to change, we will be sliding back and no one to blame.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 3:28 am 
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Love watching Hector Herrera...

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 3:30 am 
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This is not only about one loss. I take a look at the match yesterday, I compare it to the ones before; and compare them to the one in the past, and quality of players performance to the performances of other countries: Germany, Italy, Spain, Mexico, Croatia, Turkey, even US now: I am dismayed at our standard as of now.

Look at this scenario: Before 1990, who ever heard of USA and Soccer? I Had been in US before then and until 1994, one will never see any Soccer event in any US Media outlet. None! But after the 1994 world cup in US, and Atlanta Olympic games after that, US made a decision to develop their local league, MLS. Now even some of the leagues in other parts of the world are looking behind their shoulders.
I bet in the next Five to Ten Years, MLS will one of the world's best; as soon as the players' pays become more attractive. The organization itself is tops.

How many Nigerian Referees are now being called up for the FIFA match tournament? Doesn't that tell us something. Until we make up our minds to change, we will be sliding back and no one to blame.
...you dey waste your time talking. The thieves and their enablers on CE will either descend on you or ignore it all. They like the status quo. chop chop, steal steal, walk around with fraud in their minds at all times.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 3:32 am 
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Synopsis wrote:
One loss and eveyone goes crazy.
...if we perform against SA like that yesterday, what will happen vs a tougher Cameroon coming up?


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Watching USA set up the 5-4-1 defensively is really a beauty and in my opinion was key in today's game. IMHO, this helps solve lots of defensive issues and allows a team using it to morph into a 3-2-4-1 going forward. USA did real well.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 3:41 am 
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txj wrote:
Love watching Hector Herrera...


He's caught my eye for a while. A consistent performer though for some reason, he always looks to me like he's struggling for breath and could stop any minute.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 3:50 am 
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Enugu II wrote:
Watching USA set up the 5-4-1 defensively is really a beauty and in my opinion was key in today's game. IMHO, this helps solve lots of defensive issues and allows a team using it to morph into a 3-2-4-1 going forward. USA did real well.


Actually it was nominally a 3-4-3, with Beasley and Yeldin as the wing backs. It ended as a 5-4-1 in the closing stages as Mexico pushed forward.

Quite impressed by their defensive organization. But was left wondering how they might have coped if Marquez, Guardado and Moreno had been fit..

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 3:58 am 
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txj wrote:
Enugu II wrote:
Watching USA set up the 5-4-1 defensively is really a beauty and in my opinion was key in today's game. IMHO, this helps solve lots of defensive issues and allows a team using it to morph into a 3-2-4-1 going forward. USA did real well.


Actually it was nominally a 3-4-3, with Beasley and Yeldin as the wing backs. It ended as a 5-4-1 in the closing stages as Mexico pushed forward.

Quite impressed by their defensive organization. But was left wondering how they might have coped if Marquez, Guardado and Moreno had been fit..


Txj,

It began as a 3-4-3 but switched much earlier to a 5-4-1 right after Bradley's goal which was before mid-first half. In essence, they were largely in that set for much of the game. I believe that they would cope even against Marquez and others but it isn't for sure.

I liked the idea and I had previously mentioned it in my blog because not only does it make our defense tighter it allows the wide backs to join the midfield going forward. In my head I think about the base five with Shehu-Omeruo-Ekong-Balogun-Etebo. This way, Shehu and Etebo can become advanced with possession.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 3:58 am 
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Scipio Africanus wrote:
Organization: US has a great edge over Nigeria. No doubt about that.

Coaching: Not so sure.

Players: Nigeria edges the US on aggregate.

Summary: The USA have never lost to Nigeria at the senior level.

US 3-2 Nigeria 1995 US Cup

US 2-1 Nigeria 2014 friendly

In the game you mentioned which I highlighted, we (Nigeria) didn't go with our full squad. I hope you remember, but yeah, we lost.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 4:02 am 
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Synopsis wrote:
One loss and eveyone goes crazy.

KPAM! :agree: :agree: :agree: :agree: In a way it is good we lost as already said by some people. This loss will awaken and get us focused in the next assignment (Cameroon's game).

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 4:12 am 
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Enugu II wrote:
txj wrote:
Enugu II wrote:
Watching USA set up the 5-4-1 defensively is really a beauty and in my opinion was key in today's game. IMHO, this helps solve lots of defensive issues and allows a team using it to morph into a 3-2-4-1 going forward. USA did real well.


Actually it was nominally a 3-4-3, with Beasley and Yeldin as the wing backs. It ended as a 5-4-1 in the closing stages as Mexico pushed forward.

Quite impressed by their defensive organization. But was left wondering how they might have coped if Marquez, Guardado and Moreno had been fit..


Txj,

It began as a 3-4-3 but switched much earlier to a 5-4-1 right after Bradley's goal which was before mid-first half. In essence, they were largely in that set for much of the game. I believe that they would cope even against Marquez and others but it isn't for sure.

I liked the idea and I had previously mentioned it in my blog because not only does it make our defense tighter it allows the wide backs to join the midfield going forward. In my head I think about the base five with Shehu-Omeruo-Ekong-Balogun-Etebo. This way, Shehu and Etebo can become advanced with possession.


The main thing I thought was that Mexico lacked a little bit in terms of movement. Osorio tends to muddle his lines too often. Little by way of counter movement by Vela and Lozano, who either stayed wide or cut in, irrespective of Chicha's movement. They ended up playing most of the game on the edges of the US low block...

As for Nigeria. not convinced by the likes of Shehu and Omeruo. Will reserve judgement on Awazie, but he did lack awareness of opposition movement and his positioning...

Without breakout speed in lateral defence, a 5-4-1 for Nigeria is pointless...

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txj wrote:
Enugu II wrote:
txj wrote:
Enugu II wrote:
Watching USA set up the 5-4-1 defensively is really a beauty and in my opinion was key in today's game. IMHO, this helps solve lots of defensive issues and allows a team using it to morph into a 3-2-4-1 going forward. USA did real well.


Actually it was nominally a 3-4-3, with Beasley and Yeldin as the wing backs. It ended as a 5-4-1 in the closing stages as Mexico pushed forward.

Quite impressed by their defensive organization. But was left wondering how they might have coped if Marquez, Guardado and Moreno had been fit..


Txj,

It began as a 3-4-3 but switched much earlier to a 5-4-1 right after Bradley's goal which was before mid-first half. In essence, they were largely in that set for much of the game. I believe that they would cope even against Marquez and others but it isn't for sure.

I liked the idea and I had previously mentioned it in my blog because not only does it make our defense tighter it allows the wide backs to join the midfield going forward. In my head I think about the base five with Shehu-Omeruo-Ekong-Balogun-Etebo. This way, Shehu and Etebo can become advanced with possession.


The main thing I thought was that Mexico lacked a little bit in terms of movement. Osorio tends to muddle his lines too often. Little by way of counter movement by Vela and Lozano, who either stayed wide or cut in, irrespective of Chicha's movement. They ended up playing most of the game on the edges of the US low block...

As for Nigeria. not convinced by the likes of Shehu and Omeruo. Will reserve judgement on Awazie, but he did lack awareness of opposition movement and his positioning...

Without breakout speed in lateral defence, a 5-4-1 for Nigeria is pointless...


On Nigeria, I would think that Etebo has breakout speed but you are correct on Shehu on the right. I do not think that he has that. My thinking though is that a 5-4-1 defensive turning into an offensive 3-2-4-1 could still work even without the speed as it provides more help defensively while narrowing passing angles for the opposition. However, I do agree that breakout speed does improve it particularly switching to a more attacking formation with the ball on a counter.

As for Omeruo, I really do not think he is international class from day 1. But who else do we have? Aweziem, IMHO, is a bit better (see my blog) but the fact is that if Rohr is voicing about experience it is likely that Awaziem may not get another opportunity.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 6:37 am 
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This game felt like a World Cup.
USA still has a long way to go though.

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What a cracker, both teams much better than the SE....the goal by Bradley was worldclass

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Mindset. If you inject half the pride Ghanaian players have into Nigeria we'd be difficult to beat. For a country that missed the last 2 Nations Cup, I don't think they understood the importance of their first game.

The coach or/and the players messed up. But they have time and enough games to recover

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I will honestly say that Mexico is the best national team outside of Europe and South America.


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