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PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 2:06 am 
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Experience also worked against us. The team did not really play that bad in the first half. It was after the first goal that things really fell apart. They lost their shape and started playing" speculative balls". Experienced players would have calmed down and continued with the plan. The team was really young and inexperienced!

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A feature of post-game football commentary is that often the deficiencies of the losing side and the superlatives of the winning side are overly exaggerated (and not always in equal measure).

The reality was that this game could have gone either way until the SAfricans scored and we completely fell apart (and of course the game would have had a totally different dynamic had Etebo's first-half stab had snuck into the right side of the net instead of ending up just outside it). This notion of the SAfricans sitting back in the first-half and simply sussing us out in the first-half is just Monday Morning poppycock, because even though we barely created any real scoring chance (sans the aforementioned Etebo chance), we dragged them all around the pitch, harried them in possession and regularly beat them to the first ball for much of the first-half. Listening to the SAfrican commentators, they were mightily relieved to get into the locker-room at the half on even terms (their hitting the post off Akpeyi's brain-fart notwithstanding), and were calculating how many points Bafana would need to qualify as one of the best second-placed teams (in fact even at 2-0 up with 5 minutes of regular time left, the commentators were wary of a repeat of our 2015 ANCQ come-back).

This game is done. The SAfricans are duly entitled to gloat and puff their chests out - deservedly so. For Nigeria, instead of the endless whining, it's time to sit up, learn our lessons from this set-back and plan to overcome it.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 11:03 am 
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Gotti wrote:
A feature of post-game football commentary is that often the deficiencies of the losing side and the superlatives of the winning side is overly exaggerated (and not always in equal measure).

The reality was that this game could have gone either way until SAfricans scored and we completely fell apart (and of course the game would have had a completely dynamic if Etebo's first-half stab had snuck into the right side of the net instead of ending up just outside it). This notion of the SAfricans sitting back in the first-half and sussing us out in the first-half is just Monday Morning poppycock, because even though we barely created any real scoring chance (sans the aforementioned Etebo chance), we dragged them all around the pitch, harried them in possession and regularly beat them to the first ball for much of the first-half. Listening to the SAfrican commentators, they were mighty relieved to get into the locker-room at the half on even terms (their hitting the post off Akpeyi's brain-fart notwithstanding), and were calculating how many points Bafana would need to qualify as one of the best second-placed teams (in fact even at 2-0 up with 5 minutes of regular time left, the commentators were wary of a repeat of our 2015 ANCQ come-back).

This game is done. The SAfricans are duly entitled to gloat and puff their chests out - deservedly so. For Nigeria, instead of the endless whining, it's time to sit up, learn our lessons from this set-back and plan to overcome it.


Well said... :clap: :clap:

I rather Rohr had a chance to assess his wards in a qualifying tournament where we still have ground to catch up, than fumble against Cameroon in the WCQ's. If we had made the same mistake against Cameroon, going away in a few days time to face them would have left little time to recover. Also it could have been our first loss (assuming we beat SA), and that also will have psychological implications.

We just have to dust ourselves down and move on...


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 2:15 pm 
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Gotti wrote:
A feature of post-game football commentary is that often the deficiencies of the losing side and the superlatives of the winning side is overly exaggerated (and not always in equal measure).

The reality was that this game could have gone either way until SAfricans scored and we completely fell apart (and of course the game would have had a completely dynamic if Etebo's first-half stab had snuck into the right side of the net instead of ending up just outside it). This notion of the SAfricans sitting back in the first-half and sussing us out in the first-half is just Monday Morning poppycock, because even though we barely created any real scoring chance (sans the aforementioned Etebo chance), we dragged them all around the pitch, harried them in possession and regularly beat them to the first ball for much of the first-half. Listening to the SAfrican commentators, they were mighty relieved to get into the locker-room at the half on even terms (their hitting the post off Akpeyi's brain-fart notwithstanding), and were calculating how many points Bafana would need to qualify as one of the best second-placed teams (in fact even at 2-0 up with 5 minutes of regular time left, the commentators were wary of a repeat of our 2015 ANCQ come-back).

This game is done. The SAfricans are duly entitled to gloat and puff their chests out - deservedly so. For Nigeria, instead of the endless whining, it's time to sit up, learn our lessons from this set-back and plan to overcome it.

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The first goal destabilized the SE and the player whose head dropped instead of encouraging the others was Echiejile, the most experienced SE. If he can lose his composure with his experience, what can one expect from the less experienced players?

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 12:43 pm 
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Gotti wrote:
A feature of post-game football commentary is that often the deficiencies of the losing side and the superlatives of the winning side are overly exaggerated (and not always in equal measure).

The reality was that this game could have gone either way until the SAfricans scored and we completely fell apart (and of course the game would have had a totally different dynamic had Etebo's first-half stab had snuck into the right side of the net instead of ending up just outside it). This notion of the SAfricans sitting back in the first-half and simply sussing us out in the first-half is just Monday Morning poppycock, because even though we barely created any real scoring chance (sans the aforementioned Etebo chance), we dragged them all around the pitch, harried them in possession and regularly beat them to the first ball for much of the first-half. Listening to the SAfrican commentators, they were mightily relieved to get into the locker-room at the half on even terms (their hitting the post off Akpeyi's brain-fart notwithstanding), and were calculating how many points Bafana would need to qualify as one of the best second-placed teams (in fact even at 2-0 up with 5 minutes of regular time left, the commentators were wary of a repeat of our 2015 ANCQ come-back).

This game is done. The SAfricans are duly entitled to gloat and puff their chests out - deservedly so. For Nigeria, instead of the endless whining, it's time to sit up, learn our lessons from this set-back and plan to overcome it.


Gotti, KPOM...
But even with the acceptable excuses of inexperience and youth, there are worrying signs that Rohr does not factor in the mental side of the game in his preparations...

So far, his side have regularly looked alarmingly brittle under opposition pressure during big games (Zambia away, Algeria home, SAfrica home)
The SAfrica game was the first real adversity in a big game (having to come from a goal deficit) and Rohr & his players failed big time...(SAfrica's opening goal was not even a typical spirit-sapping late goal; it came early enough for a response...)
If Rohr had prepared his side mentally, the result would definitely have been different...

Rohr cannot keep using youth & inexperience as excuses for much longer...he needs to 'grow' his young squad quickly by instilling a tougher mentality in them...

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A feature of post-game football commentary is that often the deficiencies of the losing side and the superlatives of the winning side are overly exaggerated (and not always in equal measure).

The reality was that this game could have gone either way until the SAfricans scored and we completely fell apart (and of course the game would have had a totally different dynamic had Etebo's first-half stab had snuck into the right side of the net instead of ending up just outside it). This notion of the SAfricans sitting back in the first-half and simply sussing us out in the first-half is just Monday Morning poppycock, because even though we barely created any real scoring chance (sans the aforementioned Etebo chance), we dragged them all around the pitch, harried them in possession and regularly beat them to the first ball for much of the first-half. Listening to the SAfrican commentators, they were mightily relieved to get into the locker-room at the half on even terms (their hitting the post off Akpeyi's brain-fart notwithstanding), and were calculating how many points Bafana would need to qualify as one of the best second-placed teams (in fact even at 2-0 up with 5 minutes of regular time left, the commentators were wary of a repeat of our 2015 ANCQ come-back).

This game is done. The SAfricans are duly entitled to gloat and puff their chests out - deservedly so. For Nigeria, instead of the endless whining, it's time to sit up, learn our lessons from this set-back and plan to overcome it.
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Slowly ambling off the pitch at a snail's pace when your team is losing and needs to increase the tempo was a very strange thing to do.

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Yeah. The Iheanacho thing annoyed me. A goal down and he slowly walked off when subbed. Boy should have been flogged. Pep would have flogged him mercilessly if he did that at City.

Everything about Nigeria was slow and ponderous in that game.


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