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 Post subject: Re: France 3 England 2
PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 8:46 am 
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danfo driver wrote:
Everyone keeps saying "very talented french team." But you guys are missing their biggest problem-- didier dechamps. a worthless coach. Like the Euros, they will get to a point where coaching matters, and they'd be knocked out. its easy to beat England, how come they couldnt beat Sweden when it mattered last week?

Pls help me ask these people...i watched the Sweden match expecting France to run riot over a Sweden team trying to find direction without Ibra...instead the Swedes looked like Brasil in their kits and play, before nailing the coffin on France with that delightful stoppage time goal.

It takes more than bling bling players to win tournament!

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 Post subject: Re: France 3 England 2
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Good Analysis/Critique of the English side.

Vasco, if you don't step up, I'll have to start doing this for the Eagles.

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 Post subject: Re: France 3 England 2
PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 12:42 pm 
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Hmmm did not this same France team open yash at home in a vig Euro competition?
Sweden beat them few days ago,likes of Germany and Italy add Spain looks more solid than this shine shine team with one useless coach.


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 Post subject: Re: France 3 England 2
PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 1:19 pm 
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kajifu wrote:
Hmmm did not this same France team open yash at home in a vig Euro competition?
Sweden beat them few days ago,likes of Germany and Italy add Spain looks more solid than this shine shine team with one useless coach.
...Sweden beat them thru their weakest link, Hugo Lloris, hence they did not want same embarrassment and stepped up in this friendly.


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 Post subject: Re: France 3 England 2
PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 2:56 pm 
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oloye wrote:
danfo driver wrote:
Everyone keeps saying "very talented french team." But you guys are missing their biggest problem-- didier dechamps. a worthless coach. Like the Euros, they will get to a point where coaching matters, and they'd be knocked out. its easy to beat England, how come they couldnt beat Sweden when it mattered last week?

Pls help me ask these people...i watched the Sweden match expecting France to run riot over a Sweden team trying to find direction without Ibra...instead the Swedes looked like Brasil in their kits and play, before nailing the coffin on France with that delightful stoppage time goal.

It takes more than bling bling players to win tournament!


I also expect Deschamps to recall his lovers, Gignac and Valbuena, when its time for the big dance! the guy dey use all these bling bling players to keep his job during friendlies until its time to go to the world cup. :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: See the game that mattered? the one against Sweden? Where was Mbappe??? Where was Kante?? Where was Dembele? Where was Lemar?? All on the bench! :lol: :lol: Most of them will watch the world cup from home so that Gignac and Valbuena can get a world cup appearance under their belt. :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: France 3 England 2
PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 3:00 pm 
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oloye wrote:
Samora Machel wrote:
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Man France is blessed in attack. Pogba, Dembele, Mbappe, Griezman running towards goal will put the fear of god into any team


Samora what did you think of Pogba today



Today I was in awe I won't lie. If he plays like that next season all those questioning his transfer fee will be forced to shut up pronto. He was a midfield general today and the passing was out of this world :clap:

In a friendly abi...how did he play against Sweden? He is an okay player, he does what he does at at okay level. He needs certain level of people playing around him to make him do extra! He wont get that with Jose!


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 Post subject: Re: France 3 England 2
PostPosted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 5:39 pm 
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France remind me of Man City (scintillating attacking and midfield players, but utterly bobbins defensively). The only people in that French team who are defensively reliable are Kosc, Varane, and Kante. Usually 1-2 of those 3 are injured or suspended, so it unbalances the team too much towards offence.

Personally, I think DD should play a second DM or water carrier beside Kante in midfield. That would release Pogba, Mbappe, Griezman, Martial, Coman, Payet, Dembele, Tolisso, and the rest to do their thing in attack. If DD was 20 years younger, he'd be the perfect player for that role!


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 Post subject: Re: France 3 England 2
PostPosted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 7:01 pm 
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wiseone wrote:
France remind me of Man City (scintillating attacking and midfield players, but utterly bobbins defensively). The only people in that French team who are defensively reliable are Kosc, Varane, and Kante. Usually 1-2 of those 3 are injured or suspended, so it unbalances the team too much towards offence.

Personally, I think DD should play a second DM or water carrier beside Kante in midfield. That would release Pogba, Mbappe, Griezman, Martial, Coman, Payet, Dembele, Tolisso, and the rest to do their thing in attack. If DD was 20 years younger, he'd be the perfect player for that role!



Umtiti, sidibe, mendy, zouma, matuidi, mangala, etc...ALL pretty reliable defenders in the les bleus colors. I disagree with your premise. The issue for France is more structural than anything. Deschamps has lots of questions to answer. They're not top heavy in terms of individuals, they have A lot of talent spread evenly across the XI

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 Post subject: Re: France 3 England 2
PostPosted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 7:17 pm 
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platinum wrote:
wiseone wrote:
France remind me of Man City (scintillating attacking and midfield players, but utterly bobbins defensively). The only people in that French team who are defensively reliable are Kosc, Varane, and Kante. Usually 1-2 of those 3 are injured or suspended, so it unbalances the team too much towards offence.

Personally, I think DD should play a second DM or water carrier beside Kante in midfield. That would release Pogba, Mbappe, Griezman, Martial, Coman, Payet, Dembele, Tolisso, and the rest to do their thing in attack. If DD was 20 years younger, he'd be the perfect player for that role!



Umtiti, sidibe, mendy, zouma, matuidi, mangala, etc...ALL pretty reliable defenders in the les bleus colors. I disagree with your premise. The issue for France is more structural than anything. Deschamps has lots of questions to answer. They're not top heavy in terms of individuals, they have A lot of talent spread evenly across the XI


A man says he is wise, yet, he continues to make the most stupid comments in the history of the world.

France is stacked defensively, you even forgot that kidt at Athletic Bilbao that turned Man City down, and then the kid that Sevilla bought last year. Both names escape me now. Or is it kondogbia? or Bakayoko? or Tolisso? or the one who wa fantastic under Bielsa at Marseille, but is now at Stoke? dem plenty.


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 Post subject: Re: France 3 England 2
PostPosted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 7:22 pm 
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A lot of those guys are "part-time" defenders. Mendy is a very attacking LB (ie. spends most of his time in the opponent's half playing like a winger than a defender), Zouma has been injured for most of the past year, Matuidi (as good as he is) is not really a "holding" player like Busquets or Makelele, Mangala had so many problems that Man City shipped him out on loan and paid 50 million for a raw inexperienced defender to replace him. When your club prefers Otamendi and a raw 21yo to you, you know you have big issues. For a player at Barcelona - Umtiti is very suspect. Lots of rough edges to his game.

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wiseone wrote:
France remind me of Man City (scintillating attacking and midfield players, but utterly bobbins defensively). The only people in that French team who are defensively reliable are Kosc, Varane, and Kante. Usually 1-2 of those 3 are injured or suspended, so it unbalances the team too much towards offence.

Personally, I think DD should play a second DM or water carrier beside Kante in midfield. That would release Pogba, Mbappe, Griezman, Martial, Coman, Payet, Dembele, Tolisso, and the rest to do their thing in attack. If DD was 20 years younger, he'd be the perfect player for that role!



Umtiti, sidibe, mendy, zouma, matuidi, mangala, etc...ALL pretty reliable defenders in the les bleus colors. I disagree with your premise. The issue for France is more structural than anything. Deschamps has lots of questions to answer. They're not top heavy in terms of individuals, they have A lot of talent spread evenly across the XI


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wiseone wrote:
A lot of those guys are "part-time" defenders. Mendy is a very attacking LB (ie. spends most of his time in the opponent's half playing like a winger than a defender), Zouma has been injured for most of the past year, Matuidi (as good as he is) is not really a "holding" player like Busquets or Makelele, Mangala had so many problems that Man City shipped him out on loan and paid 50 million for a raw inexperienced defender to replace him. When your club prefers Otamendi and a raw 21yo to you, you know you have big issues. For a player at Barcelona - Umtiti is very suspect. Lots of rough edges to his game.

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wiseone wrote:
France remind me of Man City (scintillating attacking and midfield players, but utterly bobbins defensively). The only people in that French team who are defensively reliable are Kosc, Varane, and Kante. Usually 1-2 of those 3 are injured or suspended, so it unbalances the team too much towards offence.

Personally, I think DD should play a second DM or water carrier beside Kante in midfield. That would release Pogba, Mbappe, Griezman, Martial, Coman, Payet, Dembele, Tolisso, and the rest to do their thing in attack. If DD was 20 years younger, he'd be the perfect player for that role!



Umtiti, sidibe, mendy, zouma, matuidi, mangala, etc...ALL pretty reliable defenders in the les bleus colors. I disagree with your premise. The issue for France is more structural than anything. Deschamps has lots of questions to answer. They're not top heavy in terms of individuals, they have A lot of talent spread evenly across the XI



Again I disagree with your latest comments. Let's take them one by one.

- Is Mendy a defender or not? Sure he's capable of creating severe mismatches going forward but he's also pretty decent defensively. It's not just hype either.

- Zouma was injured most of the year but he came back towards the end of the season and when he has figured for Les Bleus in the past, he's not been as shaky as you portray.

- Matuidi is no Busquets or Makelele but he's an EXCELLENT two way player who does as much defensively as he does going forward. You listed Kante which is why I brought up Matuidi.

- Mangala? I'll put it this way. He wasn't used the best way at City. He had a good season at Valencia and I'm sure most City fans would pick him over Stones. Plus, forget the club scene, at NT level, he's shown he can be very good.

- Umtiti? He's no Nesta (Yet) but he's got way more pluses than minuses.

So again, individually France has players in numbers. The issue has always been Didier Deschamps. The Euros were a perfect example. Loaded squad who underachieved. Heck, they could have won that tournament and from a purist perspective, I'd still have been unimpressed with the win because they rarely ever played with cohesion or flow.

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