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With Ikeme in goal, I feel less worried about aerial balls.
It would have been interesting to have competition between Ikeme and Oyeama for
the SE goal tending position.
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Still remember when people used to yab and call Patrick names for suggesting Ikeme on this forum.
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Good to hear that Ikeme's recovery is going on well and he is on track to be in camp for the games against Cameroon. We must try to get Vince in camp as well.

Not to make excuses, but I'm going to go into TFCO mode and declare we played Bafana with team B. The Eagles lined up with Eldersen, and without Ikeme, Balogun, Mikel, V. Moses and Ideye. It was Team B, abeg. TFCO, what say ye?
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truetalk wrote:Good to hear that Ikeme's recovery is going on well and he is on track to be in camp for the games against Cameroon. We must try to get Vince in camp as well.

Not to make excuses, but I'm going to go into TFCO mode and declare we played Bafana with team B. The Eagles lined up with Eldersen, and without Ikeme, Balogun, Mikel, V. Moses and Ideye. It was Team B, abeg. TFCO, what say ye?
But isn't that the fact? we basically lined up a team B; which of course shouldn't excuse the loss, but even with the inexperienced team we were still good enough to beat SA if Rohr was smart enough to realize Ihenacho needed a partnership upfront to play along with or behind(Kayode or Osimhen in the absence of Ideye, Isaac Success or Ighalo would have been productive), plus a midfield that was left untinkered when we should have played Ndidi and Ogu to provide the defensive shield, then played Iwobi in the more central attacking role with Etebo on the left midfield(where he excels better)...basic mistakes even a novice with no coaching experience could figure out from understanding the type of players and their abilities.
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Tobi17 wrote:
truetalk wrote:Good to hear that Ikeme's recovery is going on well and he is on track to be in camp for the games against Cameroon. We must try to get Vince in camp as well.

Not to make excuses, but I'm going to go into TFCO mode and declare we played Bafana with team B. The Eagles lined up with Eldersen, and without Ikeme, Balogun, Mikel, V. Moses and Ideye. It was Team B, abeg. TFCO, what say ye?
But isn't that the fact? we basically lined up a team B; which of course shouldn't excuse the loss, but even with the inexperienced team we were still good enough to beat SA if Rohr was smart enough to realize Ihenacho needed a partnership upfront to play along with or behind(Kayode or Osimhen in the absence of Ideye, Isaac Success or Ighalo would have been productive), plus a midfield that was left untinkered when we should have played Ndidi and Ogu to provide the defensive shield, then played Iwobi in the more central attacking role with Etebo on the left midfield(where he excels better)...basic mistakes even a novice with no coaching experience could figure out from understanding the type of players and their abilities.
Rohr is no novice...just plain lazy (or complacent)
It is the bane of some National Team coaches in Africa...Some of them are lazy to develop tactics for national teams; especially when the opposition is an African side.

Their 'tactics': simply 'transplant' Euro-based players from their club roles to national team roles...and expect the same output.
No consideration for: (i) opposition (ii) team composition

Nacho plays #9 for City; Iwobi plays on the wing for Arsenal; so pronto, transplant both players into the same roles for SEagles, never mind that City & Arsenal offer completely different team components for both players...

Anyone remember how Westerhof deployed Amokachi? (even though Amokachi always played #9 for his clubs in Europe)
Westerhof re-deployed 'home-based' Moses Kpakor to a role completely different from his role at BCC Lions...

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Any Coach that would play a 19 year old rockie in the defense for a crucial world cup qualifier, use two clueless wingers( Musa and Simon) at the same time, then bench a player with 24 goals(top scorer)and 9 assist( most assists) is clueless! Period.
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gochino wrote:Any Coach that would play a 19 year old rockie in the defense for a crucial world cup qualifier, use two clueless wingers( Musa and Simon) at the same time, then bench a player with 24 goals(top scorer)and 9 assist( most assists) is clueless! Period.

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Tobi17 wrote:
truetalk wrote:Good to hear that Ikeme's recovery is going on well and he is on track to be in camp for the games against Cameroon. We must try to get Vince in camp as well.

Not to make excuses, but I'm going to go into TFCO mode and declare we played Bafana with team B. The Eagles lined up with Eldersen, and without Ikeme, Balogun, Mikel, V. Moses and Ideye. It was Team B, abeg. TFCO, what say ye?
But isn't that the fact? we basically lined up a team B; which of course shouldn't excuse the loss, but even with the inexperienced team we were still good enough to beat SA if Rohr was smart enough to realize Ihenacho needed a partnership upfront to play along with or behind(Kayode or Osimhen in the absence of Ideye, Isaac Success or Ighalo would have been productive), plus a midfield that was left untinkered when we should have played Ndidi and Ogu to provide the defensive shield, then played Iwobi in the more central attacking role with Etebo on the left midfield(where he excels better)...basic mistakes even a novice with no coaching experience could figure out from understanding the type of players and their abilities.

No, it isn't a fact. Apart from a few top internationals (Messi, Ronaldo, +) many guys on a national team are not significantly inferior to those who start ahead of them. In fact, in certain cases, the difference between a starter and a bench player is the coach's subjective perception of the quality which could be different under another coach.

Moreover, South Africa was made up of local players that many of you claim are inferior to foreign-based players. They came and beat our foreign-based players!
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Tobi17 wrote:
truetalk wrote:Good to hear that Ikeme's recovery is going on well and he is on track to be in camp for the games against Cameroon. We must try to get Vince in camp as well.

Not to make excuses, but I'm going to go into TFCO mode and declare we played Bafana with team B. The Eagles lined up with Eldersen, and without Ikeme, Balogun, Mikel, V. Moses and Ideye. It was Team B, abeg. TFCO, what say ye?
But isn't that the fact? we basically lined up a team B; which of course shouldn't excuse the loss, but even with the inexperienced team we were still good enough to beat SA if Rohr was smart enough to realize Ihenacho needed a partnership upfront to play along with or behind(Kayode or Osimhen in the absence of Ideye, Isaac Success or Ighalo would have been productive), plus a midfield that was left untinkered when we should have played Ndidi and Ogu to provide the defensive shield, then played Iwobi in the more central attacking role with Etebo on the left midfield(where he excels better)...basic mistakes even a novice with no coaching experience could figure out from understanding the type of players and their abilities.

No, it isn't a fact. Apart from a few top internationals (Messi, Ronaldo, +) many guys on a national team are not significantly inferior to those who start ahead of them. In fact, in certain cases, the difference between a starter and a bench player is the coach's subjective perception of the quality which could be different under another coach.

Moreover, South Africa was made up of local players that many of you claim are inferior to foreign-based players. They came and beat our foreign-based players!
Firstly this isn't a local vs foreign based argument boss(even though the South African league is as good as if not more enterprising than most of the low leagues in Europe most of our players play in...) those SA players have BEEN PLAYING TOGETHER and always had the edge in team cohesion and better understanding for that reason alone, not to forget that they had more experienced players who played together in all the Afcons and WCQ qualifiers against a pretty much green Nigerian team, so the home based theory isn't much as consequential as experience and team chemistry which we lacked. Secondly, we got it all wrong on a tactical level from the onset, we all can agree here that playing Ihenacho upfront alone was a fatal mistake as he has never excelled in the role for Nigeria...in fact all the better games Nacho had for us came from him playing behind and off a second striker with good hold up play like Ideye. So we just lost to SA not necessarily because they were the better team, we were just simply tactically naive and outcoached by a smarter coach in Baxter
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Tobi17 wrote:
truetalk wrote:Good to hear that Ikeme's recovery is going on well and he is on track to be in camp for the games against Cameroon. We must try to get Vince in camp as well.

Not to make excuses, but I'm going to go into TFCO mode and declare we played Bafana with team B. The Eagles lined up with Eldersen, and without Ikeme, Balogun, Mikel, V. Moses and Ideye. It was Team B, abeg. TFCO, what say ye?
But isn't that the fact? we basically lined up a team B; which of course shouldn't excuse the loss, but even with the inexperienced team we were still good enough to beat SA if Rohr was smart enough to realize Ihenacho needed a partnership upfront to play along with or behind(Kayode or Osimhen in the absence of Ideye, Isaac Success or Ighalo would have been productive), plus a midfield that was left untinkered when we should have played Ndidi and Ogu to provide the defensive shield, then played Iwobi in the more central attacking role with Etebo on the left midfield(where he excels better)...basic mistakes even a novice with no coaching experience could figure out from understanding the type of players and their abilities.

No, it isn't a fact. Apart from a few top internationals (Messi, Ronaldo, +) many guys on a national team are not significantly inferior to those who start ahead of them. In fact, in certain cases, the difference between a starter and a bench player is the coach's subjective perception of the quality which could be different under another coach.

Moreover, South Africa was made up of local players that many of you claim are inferior to foreign-based players. They came and beat our foreign-based players!
Firstly this isn't a local vs foreign based argument boss(even though the South African league is as good as if not more enterprising than most of the low leagues in Europe most of our players play in...) those SA players have BEEN PLAYING TOGETHER and always had the edge in team cohesion and better understanding for that reason alone, not to forget that they had more experienced players who played together in all the Afcons and WCQ qualifiers against a pretty much green Nigerian team, so the home based theory isn't much as consequential as experience and team chemistry which we lacked. Secondly, we got it all wrong on a tactical level from the onset, we all can agree here that playing Ihenacho upfront alone was a fatal mistake as he has never excelled in the role for Nigeria...in fact all the better games Nacho had for us came from him playing behind and off a second striker with good hold up play like Ideye. So we just lost to SA not necessarily because they were the better team, we were just simply tactically naive and outcoached by a smarter coach in Baxter
I entirely agree with the highlight and I hope most on CE who hype the fact that a player is in Europe will read that passage as it is an important point, IMO.
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niyi wrote:Still remember when people used to yab and call Patrick names for suggesting Ikeme on this forum.
and your point? I do not get some of you guys, what's the benefit of saying i told you so? If we want to point fingers, we can blame Ikeme for the draw in Kano abi Kaduna...
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Tobi17 wrote:Firstly this isn't a local vs foreign based argument boss(even though the South African league is as good as if not more enterprising than most of the low leagues in Europe most of our players play in...) those SA players have BEEN PLAYING TOGETHER and always had the edge in team cohesion and better understanding for that reason alone, not to forget that they had more experienced players who played together in all the Afcons and WCQ qualifiers against a pretty much green Nigerian team, so the home based theory isn't much as consequential as experience and team chemistry which we lacked. Secondly, we got it all wrong on a tactical level from the onset, we all can agree here that playing Ihenacho upfront alone was a fatal mistake as he has never excelled in the role for Nigeria...in fact all the better games Nacho had for us came from him playing behind and off a second striker with good hold up play like Ideye. So we just lost to SA not necessarily because they were the better team, we were just simply tactically naive and outcoached by a smarter coach in Baxter
The South African league is decent but still below many European leagues. It's still below the Turkish League and the Belgian League which we have many players in, but then again we have players in Bosnia and Cyprus which the South African league is better than.
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truetalk wrote:Good to hear that Ikeme's recovery is going on well and he is on track to be in camp for the games against Cameroon. We must try to get Vince in camp as well.

Not to make excuses, but I'm going to go into TFCO mode and declare we played Bafana with team B. The Eagles lined up with Eldersen, and without Ikeme, Balogun, Mikel, V. Moses and Ideye. It was Team B, abeg. TFCO, what say ye?
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Its interesting to hear someone like Ikeme talk about how much he misses being in Nigeria.
When people quickly dismiss the need for us to go for top foreign-born Nigerians because they cant handle the 'Naija factor' they forget that these guys see things very differently from those of us living the reality.

Anyone that lives a 'protected' life in Nigeria by virtue of their social status will find Nigeria irresistible. They breeze in for a short while, enjoy rock-star status whilst there and thoroughly enjoy doing their job. That 'job' takes them to new exotic places they'd probably only dream of: Nairobi, Libreville, Jo'burg, Lusaka, Casablanca, Kinshasa, Alexandria, Ouagadougou, Accra, Abidjan and countless other African cities. And then there's the possibility of the World Cup proper.

The whole culture thing is totally new and means far more to them born and bred in oyibo land than the 'natives'. Naija is simply awesome in small doses and as long as they live in that bubble they'll have no regrets.
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Damunk wrote:Its interesting to hear someone like Ikeme talk about how much he misses being in Nigeria.
When people quickly dismiss the need for us to go for top foreign-born Nigerians because they cant handle the 'Naija factor' they forget that these guys see things very differently from those of us living the reality.

Anyone that lives a 'protected' life in Nigeria by virtue of their social status will find Nigeria irresistible. They breeze in for a short while, enjoy rock-star status whilst there and thoroughly enjoy doing their job. That 'job' takes them to new exotic places they'd probably only dream of: Nairobi, Libreville, Jo'burg, Lusaka, Casablanca, Kinshasa, Alexandria, Ouagadougou, Accra, Abidjan and countless other African cities. And then there's the possibility of the World Cup proper.

The whole culture thing is totally new and means far more to them born and bred in oyibo land than the 'natives'. Naija is simply awesome in small doses and as long as they live in that bubble they'll have no regrets.
Bros, we live here in long doses and without a bubble, and still find it mostly awesome...
Nigeria has its own realities and the sooner you adjust to them, the better (and saner) for you.
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Gotti, it is either you live in a bubble or outside a bubble... nah which one be without a bubble?
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Bigpokey24 wrote:Gotti, it is either you live in a bubble or outside a bubble... nah which one be without a bubble?
Gotti is right. "Without a bubble" is the best way to go in our dear Naija. Try it. You'll feel the thrill. :D
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Gotti wrote:
Damunk wrote:Its interesting to hear someone like Ikeme talk about how much he misses being in Nigeria.
When people quickly dismiss the need for us to go for top foreign-born Nigerians because they cant handle the 'Naija factor' they forget that these guys see things very differently from those of us living the reality.

Anyone that lives a 'protected' life in Nigeria by virtue of their social status will find Nigeria irresistible. They breeze in for a short while, enjoy rock-star status whilst there and thoroughly enjoy doing their job. That 'job' takes them to new exotic places they'd probably only dream of: Nairobi, Libreville, Jo'burg, Lusaka, Casablanca, Kinshasa, Alexandria, Ouagadougou, Accra, Abidjan and countless other African cities. And then there's the possibility of the World Cup proper.

The whole culture thing is totally new and means far more to them born and bred in oyibo land than the 'natives'. Naija is simply awesome in small doses and as long as they live in that bubble they'll have no regrets.
Bros, we live here in long doses and without a bubble, and still find it mostly awesome...
Nigeria has its own realities and the sooner you adjust to them, the better (and saner) for you.
Bubble mentality IMO is still the best way to experience ANY place. You stay anywhere long enough and you will see all its weaknesses. Obviously your point is right as well, Nigeria is special to us as well...but I would agree with Damunk that when you can isolate a place....to short stints, from a limited perspective, you can insulate yourself from some of its more unpleasant realities.

I tell people for example that my favourite city in the world is Singapore..BUT I am also aware that if I actually LIVED there, I would be telling a different tale altogether. I didn't have to deal with REAL LIFE, I just go there....and live essentially in that bubble.

I live in one of the most liveable cities in the world...and I'm sick of it right now...I have come to know all its weaknesses and failings and issues. That's the way it goes. It's not just about naija. I believe tourists have the most fun filled experience of places. Ignorance is definitely BLISS.
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Tbite wrote:
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Damunk wrote:Its interesting to hear someone like Ikeme talk about how much he misses being in Nigeria.
When people quickly dismiss the need for us to go for top foreign-born Nigerians because they cant handle the 'Naija factor' they forget that these guys see things very differently from those of us living the reality.

Anyone that lives a 'protected' life in Nigeria by virtue of their social status will find Nigeria irresistible. They breeze in for a short while, enjoy rock-star status whilst there and thoroughly enjoy doing their job. That 'job' takes them to new exotic places they'd probably only dream of: Nairobi, Libreville, Jo'burg, Lusaka, Casablanca, Kinshasa, Alexandria, Ouagadougou, Accra, Abidjan and countless other African cities. And then there's the possibility of the World Cup proper.

The whole culture thing is totally new and means far more to them born and bred in oyibo land than the 'natives'. Naija is simply awesome in small doses and as long as they live in that bubble they'll have no regrets.
Bros, we live here in long doses and without a bubble, and still find it mostly awesome...
Nigeria has its own realities and the sooner you adjust to them, the better (and saner) for you.
Bubble mentality IMO is still the best way to experience ANY place. You stay anywhere long enough and you will see all its weaknesses. Obviously your point is right as well, Nigeria is special to us as well...but I would agree with Damunk that when you can isolate a place....to short stints, from a limited perspective, you can insulate yourself from some of its more unpleasant realities.

I tell people for example that my favourite city in the world is Singapore..BUT I am also aware that if I actually LIVED there, I would be telling a different tale altogether. I didn't have to deal with REAL LIFE, I just go there....and live essentially in that bubble.

I live in one of the most liveable cities in the world...and I'm sick of it right now...I have come to know all its weaknesses and failings and issues. That's the way it goes. It's not just about naija. I believe tourists have the most fun filled experience of places. Ignorance is definitely BLISS.
Well said.
But I see Gotti's point too.
Some people dont live in any Naija bubble but still find Naija awesome --- virtually all the time.
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truetalk wrote:Good to hear that Ikeme's recovery is going on well and he is on track to be in camp for the games against Cameroon. We must try to get Vince in camp as well.

Not to make excuses, but I'm going to go into TFCO mode and declare we played Bafana with team B. The Eagles lined up with Eldersen, and without Ikeme, Balogun, Mikel, V. Moses and Ideye. It was Team B, abeg. TFCO, what say ye?
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: TFCO, please over to you - Sir - ... and please respond quickly
And the BIBLE says: The race is NOT for the swift, neither is the battle for the strong nor ... but time and chance makes them all.
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truetalk wrote:Good to hear that Ikeme's recovery is going on well and he is on track to be in camp for the games against Cameroon. We must try to get Vince in camp as well.
Certainly and that is if he is willing to be in Camp and is also willing to be a "back-up" to Carl.
And the BIBLE says: The race is NOT for the swift, neither is the battle for the strong nor ... but time and chance makes them all.
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jette1 wrote:
truetalk wrote:Good to hear that Ikeme's recovery is going on well and he is on track to be in camp for the games against Cameroon. We must try to get Vince in camp as well.

Not to make excuses, but I'm going to go into TFCO mode and declare we played Bafana with team B. The Eagles lined up with Eldersen, and without Ikeme, Balogun, Mikel, V. Moses and Ideye. It was Team B, abeg. TFCO, what say ye?
more like TEAB C with that gay goal keeper of ours
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And the BIBLE says: The race is NOT for the swift, neither is the battle for the strong nor ... but time and chance makes them all.
Ecclesiastes 1:18: For in much wisdom is much grief and he that increases knowledge increases sorrow.

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