Intimidating African CL: Wydad fans v Zambia's Zanaco
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Intimidating African CL: Wydad fans v Zambia's Zanaco
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could ever find this anywhere in Nigeria...
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Nope!! I wish the Nigerian game has choreographed support. It makes a big difference in the atmosphere at games.txj wrote:could ever find this anywhere in Nigeria...
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Love dis! see atmosphere!
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txj wrote:could ever find this anywhere in Nigeria...
Yes you can. Invite Arsenal or Chelsea to play, WE will show up en masse!
We have been brainwashed by the Premier League that it's the best in the world. Nonsense. It's the best brand
Roy Keane: ITV 02/25/14
He says that we are currently "brainwashed" into believing that the Premier League is the best competition in the world, and that we are now a long way off dominating the Champions League again.
Gary Neville: Mirror: 12/23/14
I think Spain’s by far the best league.
Scholes. UK Guardian 9/6/16
Roy Keane: ITV 02/25/14
He says that we are currently "brainwashed" into believing that the Premier League is the best competition in the world, and that we are now a long way off dominating the Champions League again.
Gary Neville: Mirror: 12/23/14
I think Spain’s by far the best league.
Scholes. UK Guardian 9/6/16
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Nobody will show up unless it's N100. Man Utd played Pompey in a nearly empty stadium in 2008 @ Abuja.metalalloy wrote:txj wrote:could ever find this anywhere in Nigeria...
Yes you can. Invite Arsenal or Chelsea to play, WE will show up en masse!
http://m.goal.com/s/en/news/89/africa/2 ... 1-in-abuja
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Different fan culture in different places.
As someone who always supported all Nigerian clubs playing in African or West African competition, even when they were the direct rival of my club, I was surprised to discover there are countries where club rivalries are so bitter (not to mention political/regional/caste/class/identity/etc) that people hope their rival loses and loses badly in continental competition. There are even countries where some people don't like their national team, seeing it as being less representative of themselves than their club.
I don't think Nigeria stadia will ever see the fireworks/smoke/waste-of-confetti you see in some places in Latin America. We are too civilized (aside from those weed-using types that like to beat up match officials and television crews). Last season, when the league was more televised, you'd see a husband, wife and their three small children relaxing in the stadium watching the match.
With that said, check out this video on the rise of "ultras" in Moroccan football, Wydad ultras inclusive:
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As someone who always supported all Nigerian clubs playing in African or West African competition, even when they were the direct rival of my club, I was surprised to discover there are countries where club rivalries are so bitter (not to mention political/regional/caste/class/identity/etc) that people hope their rival loses and loses badly in continental competition. There are even countries where some people don't like their national team, seeing it as being less representative of themselves than their club.
I don't think Nigeria stadia will ever see the fireworks/smoke/waste-of-confetti you see in some places in Latin America. We are too civilized (aside from those weed-using types that like to beat up match officials and television crews). Last season, when the league was more televised, you'd see a husband, wife and their three small children relaxing in the stadium watching the match.
With that said, check out this video on the rise of "ultras" in Moroccan football, Wydad ultras inclusive:
[/video]
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Thread starter more importantly did Zanaco win?
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Naija people want to watch good football, but they can't becausetxj wrote:could ever find this anywhere in Nigeria...
the best players keep leaving the country
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Be it Nigeria and or other CAF nations if local football admins want local leagues to match popularity of likes of PL they must invest heavily on quality of the product.
PL, La Liga, Bundesliga no less popular in US but MLS is thriving, sames stands for local leagues in likes of DR Congo, Japan, South Korea, all of Latin America, all of North Africa.
Nothing in this world comes easy, if majority of CAf club football powers that be want domestic game to match popularity of UEFA club football simple put in the work. Demanding locals support domestic league out of sheer nationalism is sure fire way to ensure domestic league remains irrelevant in perpetuity.
PL, La Liga, Bundesliga no less popular in US but MLS is thriving, sames stands for local leagues in likes of DR Congo, Japan, South Korea, all of Latin America, all of North Africa.
Nothing in this world comes easy, if majority of CAf club football powers that be want domestic game to match popularity of UEFA club football simple put in the work. Demanding locals support domestic league out of sheer nationalism is sure fire way to ensure domestic league remains irrelevant in perpetuity.
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KPOM. This is about fan culture and not quality of football. Even when Nigeria had its best players at home, the crowd was nothing like the video shows. Nigeria has rarely had choreographed crowd support. That is the point here.The Eagle wrote:Different fan culture in different places.
As someone who always supported all Nigerian clubs playing in African or West African competition, even when they were the direct rival of my club, I was surprised to discover there are countries where club rivalries are so bitter (not to mention political/regional/caste/class/identity/etc) that people hope their rival loses and loses badly in continental competition. There are even countries where some people don't like their national team, seeing it as being less representative of themselves than their club.
I don't think Nigeria stadia will ever see the fireworks/smoke/waste-of-confetti you see in some places in Latin America. We are too civilized (aside from those weed-using types that like to beat up match officials and television crews). Last season, when the league was more televised, you'd see a husband, wife and their three small children relaxing in the stadium watching the match.
With that said, check out this video on the rise of "ultras" in Moroccan football, Wydad ultras inclusive:
[/video]
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Nigerian clubs are active on social media these days, as are those Nigerian fans who follow the league. The closest we could get to this type of coordinated fan action would likely be relatively young folks finding each other on social platforms, agreeing among themselves to attend specific matches en masse, sit together, and sing certain songs or whatever. Whether this is better or worse than the usual bands playing the usual highlife songs .... well, that is up to people and their individual tastes. These days some clubs are using American-style cheerleaders .... while I have nothing against the young ladies having jobs, it seems to me like that is money that could increase player salaries and make salaries more reliable, so we don't lose players to Sudanese clubs. Spending that money on cheerleaders doesn't improve the football on the field, and is perhaps intended to distract people from the quality of the football.Enugu II wrote:KPOM. This is about fan culture and not quality of football. Even when Nigeria had its best players at home, the crowd was nothing like the video shows. Nigeria has rarely had choreographed crowd support. That is the point here.
To be honest, we need large, active fan/supporters associations/organizations to start pushing Nigerian clubs (and state governments) to abandon the old-school ways of managing clubs. In fact, the old-school type of supporters' clubs were outdated and ineffectual decades ago.
There is just this way of doing things that has been treated as the proper way of doing things (by club chairmen, supporters' clubs, journalists, etc), even though this way of doing things has NEVER been effective or successful. And you can't get them to change, because they don't think they need to change. Tell them things are not working, and they will blame everything in the universe, and everyone else, but not themselves .... nor will they ever acknowledge that the behaviour that makes them think they are "experts" at football management, and that earns them hailing and praise from the existing supporters' clubs, is in fact the very behaviour that needs to change if Nigerian football is to achieve its potential.
Unfortunately, the more "activist" of club fans reserve their "activism" for frightening match officials and journalists, instead of frightening the club chairmen and state governors.
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