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folem wrote:How many of the 48 Group Stage matches in the recent CAF inter-club competitions played in June had rain issues?

a few games in qualifications is different from a time sensitive 2 or 3 week tournament. The rain is a major factor. The new stadiums must have good drainage systems. I don't even know why I bother with this debate. Once they see the effects of the rains. They will move the tournament back to January/February.
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folem wrote:How many of the 48 Group Stage matches in the recent CAF inter-club competitions played in June had rain issues?

a few games in qualifications is different from a time sensitive 2 or 3 week tournament. The rain is a major factor. The new stadiums must have good drainage systems. I don't even know why I bother with this debate. Once they see the effects of the rains. They will move the tournament back to January/February.
Take a look at this and then maybe you will realize your generalization is not really true.

https://www.tripsavvy.com/africas-dry-a ... ns-1453967

West Africa:
Rainy and Dry Seasons, West Africa
Generally, November to April is the dry season in West Africa. Although humidity is high throughout the year (especially towards the coast), there are less mosquitoes during the dry season and the majority of unpaved roads remain passable.

The dry weather makes this the optimum time to visit for beachgoers; especially as cool ocean breezes help to keep temperatures bearable. However, travellers should be aware of the harmattan, a dry and dusty trade wind that blows in from the Sahara Desert at this time of year.

The southern areas of West Africa have two rainy seasons, one lasting from the end of April to mid-July, and another, shorter one in September and October. In the north where there is less rainfall, there is only one rainy season, which lasts from July to September. Rains are typically brief and heavy, rarely lasting longer than a few hours. This is the best time to visit land-locked countries like Mali (where temperatures can soar as high as 120°F/ 49°C), as the rains help to make the heat more manageable.
From this it seem West Africa will be most affected by the new timing as June-July has lots of Rain

North Africa:
Rainy and Dry Seasons, North Africa
Part of the northern hemisphere, North Africa's seasons are familiar for Western travellers. Although there's no rainy season as such, the time of year with the most rainfall coincides with the North African winter. Between November and March the coastal areas see the most rain, while many inland destinations remain dry due to their proximity to the Sahara Desert.

This is a good time for those hoping to visit Egypt's otherwise scorching tombs and monuments, or for taking a camel safari in the Sahara.

The summer months (June to September) constitute North Africa's dry season, and are characterised by almost non-existent rainfall and sky-high temperatures. In the Moroccan capital of Marrakech, for example, temperatures frequently exceed 104°F/ 40°C. High altitudes or coastal breezes are required to make the heat bearable, so the beaches or mountains are the best option for summer visitors. A swimming pool or air-conditioning are a must when choosing accommodation.
Rainfall is not that high here during their winter months of June-August

East Africa:
Rainy and Dry Seasons, East Africa
East Africa's dry season lasts from July to September, when the weather is defined by sunny, rain-free days.

This is the best time to visit famous safari destinations like the Serengeti and the Maasai Mara, although optimum game-viewing opportunities make it the most expensive time, too. This is the southern hemisphere winter, and as such weather is cooler than at other times of the year, making for pleasant days and chilly nights.

Northern Tanzania and Kenya experience two rainy seasons: one major rainy season lasting from April to June, and a more sporadic rainy season lasting from October to December. Safari destinations are greener and less crowded during these periods, while the cost of travel decreases significantly. From April to June especially, visitors should avoid the coast (which is both wet and humid), and the rainforests of Rwanda and Uganda (which experience torrential rain and frequent flooding).
June-July, Not that much of an issue here as it is their dry season especially July.

Southern Africa:
For most of southern Africa, the dry season coincides with the southern hemisphere winter, which typically lasts from April to October. During this time, rainfall is limited, while the weather is typically sunny and cool. This is the best time to go on safari, however those considering a camping safari should be aware that nights can get cold. Conversely, in South Africa's Western Cape province, winter is actually the wettest season.

Elsewhere in the region, the rainy season runs from November to March, which is also the hottest and most humid time of year. The rains during this time of year will close down some of the more remote safari camps, however other areas (like Botswana's Okavango Delta) are transformed into a lush birder's paradise. Despite regular brief thunderstorms, November to March remains peak season in South Africa, where the beaches are best at this time of year.
June-July seem to be ok in this region.
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This new 24 team format may give Nigeria a lifeline afterall. They can still qualify as a 3rd place team. #HowLowCanWeGo
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Cito wrote:
ohenhen1 wrote:
folem wrote:How many of the 48 Group Stage matches in the recent CAF inter-club competitions played in June had rain issues?

a few games in qualifications is different from a time sensitive 2 or 3 week tournament. The rain is a major factor. The new stadiums must have good drainage systems. I don't even know why I bother with this debate. Once they see the effects of the rains. They will move the tournament back to January/February.
Take a look at this and then maybe you will realize your generalization is not really true.

https://www.tripsavvy.com/africas-dry-a ... ns-1453967

West Africa:
Rainy and Dry Seasons, West Africa
Generally, November to April is the dry season in West Africa. Although humidity is high throughout the year (especially towards the coast), there are less mosquitoes during the dry season and the majority of unpaved roads remain passable.

The dry weather makes this the optimum time to visit for beachgoers; especially as cool ocean breezes help to keep temperatures bearable. However, travellers should be aware of the harmattan, a dry and dusty trade wind that blows in from the Sahara Desert at this time of year.

The southern areas of West Africa have two rainy seasons, one lasting from the end of April to mid-July, and another, shorter one in September and October. In the north where there is less rainfall, there is only one rainy season, which lasts from July to September. Rains are typically brief and heavy, rarely lasting longer than a few hours. This is the best time to visit land-locked countries like Mali (where temperatures can soar as high as 120°F/ 49°C), as the rains help to make the heat more manageable.
From this it seem West Africa will be most affected by the new timing as June-July has lots of Rain

North Africa:
Rainy and Dry Seasons, North Africa
Part of the northern hemisphere, North Africa's seasons are familiar for Western travellers. Although there's no rainy season as such, the time of year with the most rainfall coincides with the North African winter. Between November and March the coastal areas see the most rain, while many inland destinations remain dry due to their proximity to the Sahara Desert.

This is a good time for those hoping to visit Egypt's otherwise scorching tombs and monuments, or for taking a camel safari in the Sahara.

The summer months (June to September) constitute North Africa's dry season, and are characterised by almost non-existent rainfall and sky-high temperatures. In the Moroccan capital of Marrakech, for example, temperatures frequently exceed 104°F/ 40°C. High altitudes or coastal breezes are required to make the heat bearable, so the beaches or mountains are the best option for summer visitors. A swimming pool or air-conditioning are a must when choosing accommodation.
Rainfall is not that high here during their winter months of June-August

East Africa:
Rainy and Dry Seasons, East Africa
East Africa's dry season lasts from July to September, when the weather is defined by sunny, rain-free days.

This is the best time to visit famous safari destinations like the Serengeti and the Maasai Mara, although optimum game-viewing opportunities make it the most expensive time, too. This is the southern hemisphere winter, and as such weather is cooler than at other times of the year, making for pleasant days and chilly nights.

Northern Tanzania and Kenya experience two rainy seasons: one major rainy season lasting from April to June, and a more sporadic rainy season lasting from October to December. Safari destinations are greener and less crowded during these periods, while the cost of travel decreases significantly. From April to June especially, visitors should avoid the coast (which is both wet and humid), and the rainforests of Rwanda and Uganda (which experience torrential rain and frequent flooding).
June-July, Not that much of an issue here as it is their dry season especially July.

Southern Africa:
For most of southern Africa, the dry season coincides with the southern hemisphere winter, which typically lasts from April to October. During this time, rainfall is limited, while the weather is typically sunny and cool. This is the best time to go on safari, however those considering a camping safari should be aware that nights can get cold. Conversely, in South Africa's Western Cape province, winter is actually the wettest season.

Elsewhere in the region, the rainy season runs from November to March, which is also the hottest and most humid time of year. The rains during this time of year will close down some of the more remote safari camps, however other areas (like Botswana's Okavango Delta) are transformed into a lush birder's paradise. Despite regular brief thunderstorms, November to March remains peak season in South Africa, where the beaches are best at this time of year.
June-July seem to be ok in this region.
I doubt if the nay sayers will be swayed by your post. Even West Africa where the risk is higher in June have a Northern region where there will be less chances of rain.
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So only south African countries will host the nations cup. Rains also reach the Northern region in Nigeria.

The same people that will make the change, will move it back to January/February no need to debate this topic any further.
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yes we now have a chance , God is good
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2019 AFCON will be in June/July and 24 teams will participate\\

The 2019 Africa Cup of Nations will be held in June and July, the Confederation of African Football has confirmed.

The tournament is usually held in January and February, causing disputes with European clubs who had to release players in the middle of the season.

The 2019 event in Cameroon will be contested by 24 teams, instead of 16
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ohenhen1 wrote:So only south African countries will host the nations cup. Rains also reach the Northern region in Nigeria.

The same people that will make the change, will move it back to January/February no need to debate this topic any further.
No. Read again and you will see that only West will have a harder time to host one.

Summary of the regions weather;
Region------------Rain---------Dry---------Verdict
West -------------Apr-Jul------Nov-Apr-----Poor
-------------------Jul-Sep
North-------------Nov-Mar----Jun-Sep-----Good
East -------------Apr-Jun-----Jul-Sep------Fair
-------------------Oct-Nov
South-------------Nov-Mar-----Apr-Oct-----Good
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Cito wrote:
ohenhen1 wrote:So only south African countries will host the nations cup. Rains also reach the Northern region in Nigeria.

The same people that will make the change, will move it back to January/February no need to debate this topic any further.
No. Read again and you will see that only West will have a harder time to host one.

Summary of the regions weather;
Region------------Rain---------Dry---------Verdict
West -------------Apr-Jul------Nov-Apr-----Poor
-------------------Jul-Sep
North-------------Nov-Mar----Jun-Sep-----Good
East -------------Apr-Jun-----Jul-Sep------Fair
-------------------Oct-Nov
South-------------Nov-Mar-----Apr-Oct-----Good
You are missing Central African region.
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So west Africa, the powerhouse of African football will have a difficult time hosting the nations cup. This is crazy. As crazy as the idea of hosting the nations cup in Europe or America. Like they haven't stolen enough of our jobs. WOWO ideology is crazy. I say to hell with the FIFA boss. We will not align our football calendar with Europe. We are Africans.
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In conclusion, I think it is stupid to host the nations cup in June/July and expand to 24 teams. I will say it again the quality of football would be degraded, it is already bad at 16 teams. There will be weather delays. The cost of hosting the nations cup will go up. If they dare host the nations cup outside of Africa. I will personally take legal action against CAF. If they want to radically change things in Africa start with the basics. Fix the bad officiating, fight corruption. Promote grassroots football. Maybe adopt the Conembol style of World cup qualifications to help prepare teams for the world cup.
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folem wrote:
Cito wrote:
ohenhen1 wrote:So only south African countries will host the nations cup. Rains also reach the Northern region in Nigeria.

The same people that will make the change, will move it back to January/February no need to debate this topic any further.
No. Read again and you will see that only West will have a harder time to host one.

Summary of the regions weather;
Region------------Rain---------Dry---------Verdict
West -------------Apr-Jul------Nov-Apr-----Poor
-------------------Jul-Sep
North-------------Nov-Mar----Jun-Sep-----Good
East -------------Apr-Jun-----Jul-Sep------Fair
-------------------Oct-Nov
South-------------Nov-Mar-----Apr-Oct-----Good
You are missing Central African region.
Ok Central African countries vary a lot. For example

Cameroon: Rain(May -Oct)
Angola: Same as Cameroon
Republic of Congo: Mar-April and Oct-Dec
Gabon: Feb - May
Eq. Guinea: Mar - Nov.
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ohenhen1 wrote:In conclusion, I think it is stupid to host the nations cup in June/July and expand to 24 teams. I will say it again the quality of football would be degraded, it is already bad at 16 teams. There will be weather delays. The cost of hosting the nations cup will go up. If they dare host the nations cup outside of Africa. I will personally take legal action against CAF. If they want to radically change things in Africa start with the basics. Fix the bad officiating, fight corruption. Promote grassroots football. Maybe adopt the Conembol style of World cup qualifications to help prepare teams for the world cup.
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Enugu II wrote:
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Waffi,

But the issue is not their ability to stop the player. Ohenhen1 points out that club v country row will not end i.e. the clubs will;l continue to complain even if they are not able to stop it. After all they were not able to stop players from AFCON but their complaints led to change from March to January and now from January to June. The issue is will complaints and whinning ever stop?
Clubs always complain about 'international call ups' and what they call 'meaningless friendlies' for all nations. I am not contesting this.

What we must not do is muddle things up. We must distinguish between other call ups and calls ups for the ANC tournament itself.

My focus is on the ANC and Ahmed's proposal being in line with FIFA's planned International calendar to tackle the issue of the ANC being in the middle of the European season. The clubs are not happy about the ANC's timing and over the years, we have seen conflicts develop from this. This is different from other call ups not related to the ANC.

I have always been opposed to the ANC being moved but I understand the reasons why such changes are now being implemented. For example, I know from speaking to a footballer, they like this change, he feels he and other footballers livelihoods are being affected by the ANC as clubs now ignore African players who have ANC commitments in Dec/Jan. I am told one consequence will be an increase of African players getting contracts in Europe. Given the short career span of these players, I cannot begrudge them the opportunity they have to earn their money. So, as much as I oppose the move of the ANC to June, I have to understand the arguments from other sides.

Waffi,

There is no muddling up, my brother. Clubs complained of call-ups for the AFCON tournament which was WITHIN THE FIFA INTERNATIONAL TOURNAMENT CALENDAR. I can understand if you are claiming that the AFCON in January was outside the current calendar. It was not. FIFA has two periods for International Tournaments and they were Winter and Summer. AFCON chose summer. It was not a violation of the calendar. The reason why it appeared disruptive is only because several European leagues refused to reduce the number of teams in their leagues. That is the issue.

Nevertheless, CAF's decision to NOW move to June will avoid the European season but may hurt the AFCON weather wise. Furthermore, how about the Mikel Obis, Ighalos, and Ideyes who now must leave the midseason of the Chinese league? How about countries that have players in the MLS who must now leave midseason?

Let's call a spade a spade, this is a decision to appease Europe even when it is hurting us. It is what it is.
You may be aware of my history on this subject. I am still vociferously opposed to AFCON being moved to the summer to suit the bloody Europeans. However, I am also understanding of the players difficult position and how it is now affecting them and their livelihoods.

One thing I am wary and highly suspicious of is Ahmed and Pinnick's grand commercialisation plans. I view with utmost alarm and extreme suspicion plans to expand to 24 teams, moving the tournament out of Africa, plans to introduce countries from other continents like the COPA America because they are self serving to the interests of those making these proposals. I understand the need to maximise revenue, but do you need to sell your soul in the process?

Also, how are we sure the extra funding will be for the good of African football and not the pockets plus egos of those who have expended so much to win the ticket in the first place?

My brother, make no mistake, I am not sold by any of these proposals and I am really questioning the motives of these guys. But one must be fair and give them a chance
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Cito wrote:
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Cito wrote:
ohenhen1 wrote:So only south African countries will host the nations cup. Rains also reach the Northern region in Nigeria.

The same people that will make the change, will move it back to January/February no need to debate this topic any further.
No. Read again and you will see that only West will have a harder time to host one.

Summary of the regions weather;
Region------------Rain---------Dry---------Verdict
West -------------Apr-Jul------Nov-Apr-----Poor
-------------------Jul-Sep
North-------------Nov-Mar----Jun-Sep-----Good
East -------------Apr-Jun-----Jul-Sep------Fair
-------------------Oct-Nov
South-------------Nov-Mar-----Apr-Oct-----Good
You are missing Central African region.
Ok Central African countries vary a lot. For example

Cameroon: Rain(May -Oct)
Angola: Same as Cameroon
Republic of Congo: Mar-April and Oct-Dec
Gabon: Feb - May
Eq. Guinea: Mar - Nov.
I have always opposed the tournament in June cos of the weather. It is crazy, just like the WC in the Qatar heat.
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Looks like Cameroon will lose their hosting rights.Its going to be raining cats, dogs and bamendagoats in june next year.
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bret- hart wrote:Looks like Cameroon will lose their hosting rights.Its going to be raining cats, dogs and bamendagoats in june next year.
Bros, that would not be the reason. I wrote on SE at election of Ahmad that Cameroon may be stripped of hosting rights and that is about to happen. Part of Ahmad's gripe is that Hayatou stripped Mozambique of hosting rights at the last minute just recently and that was one of the reasons CECAFA closed ranks against Hayatou. Thus, stripping Cameroon has always been on the card. See also the quote from Morocco highlighted in red below. This issue of Cameroon being behind schedule is a problem but think about this -- this event is not till June of 2019 i.e 2 years from now!! (consider past AFCONs and this issue). This smells like a payback to me from the get go.
Morocco ready to host 2019 AFCON if …..
ON JULY 18, 20171:43 AMIN SPORTSCOMMENTS

Having missed out numerous times on hosting the World Cup, Morocco says it is ready to take over from Cameroon in staging the 2019 African Cup of Nations “in case of lack of capacity”. Fouzi Lakjaa. president of the Royal Moroccan Football Federation (FRMF), says his country would be willing to step in as replacements if upcoming Confederation of African Football (CAF) meetings make organisational changes that Cameroon will not be able to fulfil.

Cameroon is reportedly experiencing delays in the execution of various Nations Cup infrastructural projects and a week ago, Algerian FA president Kheireddine Zetchi said his country would also be willing to take over. Although CAF has so far ruled out expanding the tournament to 24 teams and changing the traditional dates from January to June, Lakjaa believes this could still happen, leading to the need for more sophisticated infrastructure. “We have the 6 stadiums in Marrakech, Agadir, Casablanca, Rabat, Fez, Tangier and Tetoua,” he was quoted as saying in the Moroccan press. “These are cities that have FIFA stadiums with all the infrastructures that go with it …matching the ambitions of Africa.”

Morocco was famously banned by CAF from two editions of the African Nations Cup after withdrawing from hosting the 2015 tournament because of fears over an outbreak of Ebola. Cameroon’s veteran Issa Hayatou was in charge of CAF at the time of the ban and Lakjaa has not forgotten. “In 2015, because of the Ebola epidemic, the Cameroon management had deprived us of the organisation of this competition,” he was quoted as saying. “In 2019, we will replace Cameroon to host the CAN. It is the revenge of history.”

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Waffiman wrote:
Cito wrote:
folem wrote:
Cito wrote:
ohenhen1 wrote:So only south African countries will host the nations cup. Rains also reach the Northern region in Nigeria.

The same people that will make the change, will move it back to January/February no need to debate this topic any further.
No. Read again and you will see that only West will have a harder time to host one.

Summary of the regions weather;
Region------------Rain---------Dry---------Verdict
West -------------Apr-Jul------Nov-Apr-----Poor
-------------------Jul-Sep
North-------------Nov-Mar----Jun-Sep-----Good
East -------------Apr-Jun-----Jul-Sep------Fair
-------------------Oct-Nov
South-------------Nov-Mar-----Apr-Oct-----Good
You are missing Central African region.
Ok Central African countries vary a lot. For example

Cameroon: Rain(May -Oct)
Angola: Same as Cameroon
Republic of Congo: Mar-April and Oct-Dec
Gabon: Feb - May
Eq. Guinea: Mar - Nov.
I have always opposed the tournament in June cos of the weather. It is crazy, just like the WC in the Qatar heat.
WC was hosted in the cold of Argentina & South Africa too. USA 1994 had heat breaks, also in Brazil 2014.
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ohenhen1 wrote:
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ohenhen1 wrote:Once they see the effects of the rains. They will move the tournament back to January/February. 24 teams will water down the competition. I won't watch bad match ups. Expect 8-0 score lines at the AFCON.
Majority of African leagues play through June. Rain will not dampen the show. 24 strong teams are available, my own grouse is hosting costs.

A 16 team AFCON is a bad tournament to watch in terms of quality of play. A 24 team tourney would be worse. The raining season is a factor. Just look at how they postponed the Rangers vs MFM matchup until the next day. I have seen highlights of several games when the pitch was unplayable due to heavy rain. Even the recent confed cup tie between Rivers Utd vs a North American side was like playing on a swimming pool. That was not football. The player will avoid the tournament because of risk of injury.


IF you have the tournament in June or July, expect delays.

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