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PostPosted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 11:48 am 
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My beef is Europe shouldn't have any say in the decision making process of CAF. CAF should put African interests first. This Ahmad guy is starting to worry me.


We as Africans should learn to put our ego aside once in a while and make reasonable decisions. African players suffer professionally due to having the AFCON in January. Most loose their places at their clubs and some clubs refuse to buy African players solely for this reason. My only worry is the weather but it rains in January too so the risk is worth taking


This has nothing to do with Ego. It is about putting Africa first. Professional players playing in Europe are not the only stake holders in African football. FIFA laws already protects them. EU laws or host countries laws like the UK home grown rule or La Liga foreign players rules or the stringent rules of applying for a Uk work permit affect African players more than the nations cup. Not many African countries can host a 24 team nations cup or host it in June.


You say FIFA laws protect them. True but FIFA laws do not tell a coach he has to field a player after returning from the AFCON, or that a club has to buy an African player. We do not have enough African players playing for top clubs in Europe and this is partly because clubs know they may have to release them for 5 - 6 weeks every two seasons. That's a lot.
You also mention that not many African countries can host a 24 team nations cup or host in June. To be honest not many African countries should and are capable of hosting the AFCON - June or January - period. Nothing wrong with having 8 or 9 countries host between themselves.


The bottom line is African players playing in Europe are not the only stake holder in African football. African leaders are idiots. Asia will still hold their tournament in January/February. Their leaders are not mugus like Pinnicks and co. If a manager chooses not to field a player because of the Afcon. Then he is a moron. Mane played for Senegal, and he is a still a regular at Liverpool. Yekini(RIP) had no problem playing at the Afcon and still having a good career in Europe.


There are way more African players in Europe than there are Asian players.


You still don't get it. The move will harm Africa football. Not many countries can afford to host 24 teams. And Nigeria will have to deal with floods in June/July.
EU laws and Individual associations laws harm our footballers playing in Europe more than the Afcon. Like I said earlier look at the UK work permit rules. Nwakili can't get a work permit. Look at the UK home grown rule. Look at the EU laws. If Arsenal signs a non Eu player, they will have release a non EU player. Europe takes care of their interest first. Africa leaders are mugus.


I repeat, not all African countries should host the AFCON. Whoever cannot afford to host should not host. Nothing wrong with having the same 7 or 8 countries who can afford to, host between themselves. The requirements for hosting need to be stricter. My only problem with a 24 team AFCON is the drop in quality of football and not the capability to host.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 1:56 pm 
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You sound like the Americans. I disagree, all African countries should host the nation's cup. The nation's cup will help with development. Look at Cameroon. They are building a 60k seater stadium. Football can create employment across the continent.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 2:50 pm 
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You sound like the Americans. I disagree, all African countries should host the nation's cup. The nations cup will help with development. Look at Cameroon. They are building a 60k seater stadium. Football can create employment across the continent.

There are other CAF tourneys that can be hosted by smaller countries that can't host/co-host CAN or even CHAN, e.g. U23/20/17/Womens Cup etc.


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Youth tourneys or non afcon tourneys don't have the same impact on a country like the afcon. Chan is not the same as the afcon proper.

BTW Nigeria will be one of the country's that will find it difficult to host the nation's cup. Have you seen the floods in Nigeria? And it will only get worse with global warming affecting the sea levels.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 5:58 pm 
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Okay, lets make a deal.

For the next 3 ANCs, the European leagues will take a break in January and february, to allow us concentrate on the ANC. Then after that, for eternity, we will move the ANC to June, to accomodate them.

Yup! I am sure you mental saves know what Europe will say. :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: I am sure in your mind you know the anwser. Your masters will never give up 3 years, while they ask you for eternity. But yet, you want to bend down to your master. continue. shameless things.



Guess no one wants to take this deal. slaves! :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 8:09 pm 
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ohenhen1 wrote:
Youth tourneys or non afcon tourneys don't have the same impact on a country like the afcon. Chan is not the same as the afcon proper.

BTW Nigeria will be one of the country's that will find it difficult to host the nation's cup. Have you seen the floods in Nigeria? And it will only get worse with global warming affecting the sea levels.

What is the difference in impact? More White Elephants? CHAN is the defacto Africa Cup. Nigeria tried to bid to co-host 2010 WC in June. Nigeria football league is currently running and played throughout the rains. All problems have pragmatic solutions.


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You sound like the Americans. I disagree, all African countries should host the nation's cup. The nation's cup will help with development. Look at Cameroon. They are building a 60k seater stadium. Football can create employment across the continent.

After the tournament will they be able to maintain or even fill it if used regularly?

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You sound like the Americans. I disagree, all African countries should host the nation's cup. The nation's cup will help with development. Look at Cameroon. They are building a 60k seater stadium. Football can create employment across the continent.

After the tournament will they be able to maintain or even fill it if used regularly?

Develop a maintenance culture.

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ohenhen1 wrote:
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You sound like the Americans. I disagree, all African countries should host the nation's cup. The nation's cup will help with development. Look at Cameroon. They are building a 60k seater stadium. Football can create employment across the continent.

After the tournament will they be able to maintain or even fill it if used regularly?

Develop a maintenance culture.

Maintenance need funding. When stadiums are always relatively near empty, where will the funds come from? What is the average attendance at league matches? even attendance at senior internationals?


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 29, 2017 8:04 pm 
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The Afcon is already suffering from low attendance and low revenue. Not many people watch the CHAN or the youth tourneys. I am probably among the few Africans that watch the youth tourneys.

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Germany vs Denmark @ Women Euros 2017 postponed till today.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 30, 2017 1:19 pm 
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It will force African nations to pay attention to drainage of their stadia, especially as it concerns the playing fields and their immediate surrounds.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 30, 2017 1:23 pm 
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folem wrote:
ohenhen1 wrote:
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You sound like the Americans. I disagree, all African countries should host the nation's cup. The nation's cup will help with development. Look at Cameroon. They are building a 60k seater stadium. Football can create employment across the continent.

After the tournament will they be able to maintain or even fill it if used regularly?

Develop a maintenance culture.

Maintenance need funding. When stadiums are always relatively near empty, where will the funds come from? What is the average attendance at league matches? even attendance at senior internationals?

You can design in low maintenance. I do not think that taking care of an efficient, low maintenance, drainage of a stadium at the design stage is a big deal.

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Germany vs Denmark @ Women Euros 2017 postponed till today.

The rain yesterday was not a joke ooooooo.

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Germany vs Denmark @ Women Euros 2017 postponed till today.

The rain yesterday was not a joke ooooooo.

The type the best drainage systems will give up on? Thats why contingency plans are made. It rains @ Euros and Women's Euros and not only in Africa.





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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... -rain.html

http://www.bbc.com/sport/live/football/40329615

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ohenhen1 wrote:
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You sound like the Americans. I disagree, all African countries should host the nation's cup. The nation's cup will help with development. Look at Cameroon. They are building a 60k seater stadium. Football can create employment across the continent.

After the tournament will they be able to maintain or even fill it if used regu
larly?

Develop a maintenance culture.

Just because of a football tournament you expect them to start maintaining things properly? Failing to maintain roads,hospitals,schools and important infrastructure such as power and water supply for decades isn't a sign that most African nations struggle in that department!

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It will force African nations to pay attention to drainage of their stadia, especially as it concerns the playing fields and their immediate surrounds.


Even with the best drainage system in the world. You can't stop flood. I went through extreme flood in Colorado. My basement was damaged. We are talking about rain forest type rain here. Several days of rain. Not the few hours of rain you get in the western countries.

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Let African countries build roof


And then get to match venues in canoes, right?

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My personal issue with playing the AFCON in June and July is that it means that players from African countries who qualify for both the AFCON and the WC may in some cases have to play tournament football for 3 straight summers (or 3 out of 4 summers), which may end up effectively putting them in uncompetitive positions at their clubs - if they are allowed to join later than others to preseason training (especially when/if they are moving to a new club).

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My personal issue with playing the AFCON in June and July is that it means that players from African countries who qualify for both the AFCON and the WC may in some cases have to play tournament football for 3 straight summers (or 3 out of 4 summers), which may end up effectively putting them in uncompetitive positions at their clubs - if they are allowed to join later than others to preseason training (especially when/if they are moving to a new club).

Great point, that's another issue.

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Gotti wrote:
My personal issue with playing the AFCON in June and July is that it means that players from African countries who qualify for both the AFCON and the WC may in some cases have to play tournament football for 3 straight summers (or 3 out of 4 summers), which may end up effectively putting them in uncompetitive positions at their clubs - if they are allowed to join later than others to preseason training (especially when/if they are moving to a new club).


You will see more players boycott the Afcon citing nagging end of season injuries like V Moses.

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My personal issue with playing the AFCON in June and July is that it means that players from African countries who qualify for both the AFCON and the WC may in some cases have to play tournament football for 3 straight summers (or 3 out of 4 summers), which may end up effectively putting them in uncompetitive positions at their clubs - if they are allowed to join later than others to preseason training (especially when/if they are moving to a new club).

Great point, that's another issue.

Not really a big point. Currently that's the way it goes for players at the very best performing nations. e.g. Chile @ WC 2014, Copa 2015, Copa Centenario 2016, CC 2017, possibly WC2018 & Copa 2019 etc. Some other Teams e.g Germany, Mexico, Australia, Portugal are currently facing similar schedule or even more. Spain played 2008 Euros, CC 2009, WC 2010 with 2 championships.


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