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However, it has to be noted that winning championships, though important, is not the only criterion used in determining the G.O.A.T. among Nigerian coaches. It is important to look at their efficiency scores, particularly in competitive games and games played away from home.


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Amodu's stats are by far better than others, especially his efficiency away from home. Though he never won the AFCON, he set records like going through World Cup and AFCON qualifiers without losing a point. He currently holds Nigeria's record for most consecutive wins at six.


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They were great for us but we weren't to them. Only 2 names worth mentioning have been frustrated to death. Let them rest in peace!

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2017 6:41 am 
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Westerhof took our football to the next level and we dreamed for a decade. He also gave us our best team. I don't believe merely looking at scores, championships and away games is enough. We had some coaches that didn't stay long enough on the job and others whose success were short-lived. Westerhof's men set a benchmark in every position that's still hard to beat and he found those players.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2017 8:57 am 
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Nigeria coaches vol 4? So we get enough coach to even reach vol 2? Anyway sha I go read everything soon.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2017 2:08 pm 
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Nigeria coaches vol 4? So we get enough coach to even reach vol 2? Anyway sha I go read everything soon.


Vol. 4 is on coaches only. The previous three volumes are on Gk/defenders, midfielders, & forwards. The fifth & final volume is on future G.O.A.T players.

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Keshi. Nuff said.

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Keshi. Nuff said.

Maybe in terms of overall contribution, definitely not as a coach. His success as a coach was short lived and didn't have an enduring impact.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2017 5:23 pm 
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Enugu II wrote:
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However, it has to be noted that winning championships, though important, is not the only criterion used in determining the G.O.A.T. among Nigerian coaches. It is important to look at their efficiency scores, particularly in competitive games and games played away from home.


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Amodu's stats are by far better than others, especially his efficiency away from home. Though he never won the AFCON, he set records like going through World Cup and AFCON qualifiers without losing a point. He currently holds Nigeria's record for most consecutive wins at six.


For details, click on the link below:
http://eaglecity.blogspot.com/2017/08/coaches-nigerias-goat-vol-4.html


Enugu II, I do applaud your constant efforts at bringing historical soccer facts to us. I do strongly believe that everyone needs some historical background to further understand our football especially regarding the coaches and players that have brought us to where we are. However, it is almost impossible to make any statistically meaningful comparisons of coaches and players given that key factors and circumstances differ for these players and coaches during their coaching and playing days. For coaches and players to be meaningfully compared, certain conditions must be constant or the same. For example, for two coaches to be meaningfully compared, the era of coaching has to be accounted for, for instance, it is not useful to compare a Nigerian coach of the 70s and 80s to the Nigerian coach of the later years due to era differentials. We must take into account the quality and ranking of players at the time, quality of oppositions and quality of matches and tournaments. There must be scientific ways of determining coefficients of these important factors just like FIFA does with the monthly rankings. In other words, to compare two coaches, the factors under which they worked must be similar or comparable, otherwise we fall prey to reaching statistically insufficient and unsupported conclusions. In other words, it is right to say that coach A played won 10 matches from 12 and coach B won 8 out of 12. That’s where it ends. Since the two coaches coached possibly different teams, played different oppositions, it is difficult to conclude that coach A is better. Nobody can tell if B would not have done better than coach A had they switched positions. So what we cannot do is conclude that coach A is better simply because he won higher percentage of games under strictly different and independent circumstances. The coaches must use the same players, play same opposition, similar tournaments for us to draw conclusions about who is better. The question is, would any other coach have done worse or better than Westerhof during the so called golden generation era. Joe Bonfrere took the same team to win the Olympics. So can we attribute this to player effect or coach effect? So the point is that we must take care of some confounding variables, statistically speaking, before reaching some definite conclusions.


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Enugu II wrote:
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However, it has to be noted that winning championships, though important, is not the only criterion used in determining the G.O.A.T. among Nigerian coaches. It is important to look at their efficiency scores, particularly in competitive games and games played away from home.


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Amodu's stats are by far better than others, especially his efficiency away from home. Though he never won the AFCON, he set records like going through World Cup and AFCON qualifiers without losing a point. He currently holds Nigeria's record for most consecutive wins at six.


For details, click on the link below:
http://eaglecity.blogspot.com/2017/08/coaches-nigerias-goat-vol-4.html


Enugu II, I do applaud your constant efforts at bringing historical soccer facts to us. I do strongly believe that everyone needs some historical background to further understand our football especially regarding the coaches and players that have brought us to where we are. However, it is almost impossible to make any statistically meaningful comparisons of coaches and players given that key factors and circumstances differ for these players and coaches during their coaching and playing days. For coaches and players to be meaningfully compared, certain conditions must be constant or the same. For example, for two coaches to be meaningfully compared, the era of coaching has to be accounted for, for instance, it is not useful to compare a Nigerian coach of the 70s and 80s to the Nigerian coach of the later years due to era differentials. We must take into account the quality and ranking of players at the time, quality of oppositions and quality of matches and tournaments. There must be scientific ways of determining coefficients of these important factors just like FIFA does with the monthly rankings. In other words, to compare two coaches, the factors under which they worked must be similar or comparable, otherwise we fall prey to reaching statistically insufficient and unsupported conclusions. In other words, it is right to say that coach A played won 10 matches from 12 and coach B won 8 out of 12. That’s where it ends. Since the two coaches coached possibly different teams, played different oppositions, it is difficult to conclude that coach A is better. Nobody can tell if B would not have done better than coach A had they switched positions. So what we cannot do is conclude that coach A is better simply because he won higher percentage of games under strictly different and independent circumstances. The coaches must use the same players, play same opposition, similar tournaments for us to draw conclusions about who is better. The question is, would any other coach have done worse or better than Westerhof during the so called golden generation era. Joe Bonfrere took the same team to win the Olympics. So can we attribute this to player effect or coach effect? So the point is that we must take care of some confounding variables, statistically speaking, before reaching some definite conclusions.

In other words, we must employ qualitative analysis not just quantitative.

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Westerhof took our football to the next level and we dreamed for a decade. He also gave us our best team. I don't believe merely looking at scores, championships and away games is enough. We had some coaches that didn't stay long enough on the job and others whose success were short-lived. Westerhof's men set a benchmark in every position that's still hard to beat and he found those players.

Westerhof was great he qualified Nigeria to there first World Cup and won an Afcon Nigeria reached round two of the 94 World Cup Westerhof was coach for 5 years,Keshi on the other hand achieved the same thing in less time as first team coach!

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Exactly my point, Super Eagles 1994 and 2013 have the same exact record of accomplishment. Worldcup second round and AFCON Championship. Therefore, can we refer to the two eras as our best.

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Westerhof took our football to the next level and we dreamed for a decade. He also gave us our best team. I don't believe merely looking at scores, championships and away games is enough. We had some coaches that didn't stay long enough on the job and others whose success were short-lived. Westerhof's men set a benchmark in every position that's still hard to beat and he found those players.

Westerhof was great he qualified Nigeria to there first World Cup and won an Afcon Nigeria reached round two of the 94 World Cup Westerhof was coach for 5 years,Keshi on the other hand achieved the same thing in less time as first team coach!

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Eaglezbeak wrote:
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Westerhof took our football to the next level and we dreamed for a decade. He also gave us our best team. I don't believe merely looking at scores, championships and away games is enough. We had some coaches that didn't stay long enough on the job and others whose success were short-lived. Westerhof's men set a benchmark in every position that's still hard to beat and he found those players.

Westerhof was great he qualified Nigeria to there first World Cup and won an Afcon Nigeria reached round two of the 94 World Cup Westerhof was coach for 5 years,Keshi on the other hand achieved the same thing in less time as first team coach!



That for me is where Keshi beats Westerhof. He took a team that
failed to qualify for AFCON and transformed them into AFCON
champions just a year later.

His SE went almost two years (18 games unbeaten). Westerhof
doesn't come close in that respect.

The first African coach to win a WC game. Keshi has no equal
among SE coaches.

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Eaglezbeak wrote:
felarey wrote:
Westerhof took our football to the next level and we dreamed for a decade. He also gave us our best team. I don't believe merely looking at scores, championships and away games is enough. We had some coaches that didn't stay long enough on the job and others whose success were short-lived. Westerhof's men set a benchmark in every position that's still hard to beat and he found those players.

Westerhof was great he qualified Nigeria to there first World Cup and won an Afcon Nigeria reached round two of the 94 World Cup Westerhof was coach for 5 years,Keshi on the other hand achieved the same thing in less time as first team coach!


But the difference is Westerhof built a team that sustained us for the next 6-8 years, while Keshi's team started to crumble even before he was relieved of his duties


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