In Fairness to Ghana

[Riche007]

P.23 states:
A shot from team-mate (A) rebounds off the goalkeeper to player (B) who is penalised for playing the ball having been previously in an offside position.

The operative word is "previously". The breda was not offside when the hot was taken, so the goal was legit. Not sure why this is a debate.

Nope!
Linesman raised his flag AFTER the Ghanaian put the ball in the net, and rightly so.
Go back and look at the visual explanation and read the text. Start from p.22, 'Gaining an advantage', bullet #2 and then look at the offside example given on p.23. Then go back and look at the tape. Be mindful of the fact that the reference point in determining offside in this instance is NOT at the time of the initial shot, BUT at the time of the rebound. The Law was quite clear on that.
Dude was offside.

Otitokoro, you're wrong. Linesman prob thought the Ghanaian player was offside when the shot was taken, but only raised his flag when the player participated in the play. Read the explanation from the cartoon.

Rebounds are fair game, as long as the player was onside when the original shot was taken.

[Otitokoro]

Agree. Never said he was not onside at the time his teammate took the shot.
You need to look at whether he was off when the ball rebounded off the keeper. When he put the ball in the net, he was in an offside position (that's when and why the linesman raised his flag).

Further clarification on 'gaining an advantage' from FIFA (and they were clear on the starting point of reference - the rebound, not the initial shot on goal from a teammate)

Maybe this would also help: focus on the person who put the ball in the net (i.e. the goal scorer and not the shot taker, who is irrelevant in the application of this law). At the time of the rebound and prior to him striking the ball into the net, was he in an on-side or off-side (i.e. Gained an Advantage)?
Answering that question would help in better understanding FIFA Law 11 - Offside - 'Gaining an Advantage'

Here is another link with a wider angle that shows the Ghanaianian shooting the ball and the position of the Ghanaian who scored the rebound. At no point was he offside when the ball was struck. you can pause the video yourself

pic 1- Leg striking ball- Ghanaian onside
pic 2- Ball long gone- Ghanaian still onside.

[greg]

This ojoro makes it double sweet sef. I remember how tfco was laughing when Chad pulled out of their remaining afcon qualifying matches effectively killing our hopes. All that will be remembered is DNQ no good o. Ojoro or not.

[felarey]

This ojoro makes it double sweet sef. I remember how tfco was laughing when Chad pulled out of their remaining afcon qualifying matches effectively killing our hopes. All that will be remembered is DNQ no good o. Ojoro or not.

World Cup go sweet o, DNQ and ojoro no good o

[Cito]

Prof,
No wahala. I have stated my side of the debate. Fortunately, the Ghanaian FA has filed a protest with FIFA and we can await the results of their decision.

I am sure you and your fellow Ghanaians desperately want to believe that.

Dude, you really need to go back to the rulebook. You can never be offside on a rebound.

Otitokoro,

I am surprised by your reading of the rule. At the time the ball was hit from outside the box, the eventual goal scorer was onside. The ball hit the GK and then rebounded off the post and the goalscorer outran his defender to hit home the rebound. There is no reason for disallowing that goal as the match officials did. It is really a shame that the officials took that decision but it was the wrong call.

http://asktheref.com/Soccer%20Rules/Question/26220/

http://www.askasoccerreferee.com/category/law11/

In any situation involving a “rebound,” there can never be an offense unless the player receiving the rebound was in an offside position at the time her teammate made the shot that led to the rebound that led to the ball coming to to a teammate of the player who made the shot. Remember, “no offside position, no offside offense.” So, to get to the offense issue, we have to assume that the recipient of the rebounded ball was in an offside position at the moment her teammate touched/played the ball.

Otito, he was on-side when the ball was kicked thus it was a legit goal.
A quick question: If a keeper caught the ball and the drops it to kick it out and a player(who was onside when initial ball was kicked to keeper but made the run after keeper caught the ball but eneded up behind the keeper) behind him steals the ball and rolls it into the net , is it offside?

[nemi2002]

This ojoro dey sweet me. Ghana clutching at straws to prevent being drowned. Once Egypt wins today I hope they will cite this match as reason for not qualifying. .. Yeye WAFU champions with 3 penarity

[Sheikh]

At no point was the ghanianian in an offside position. First of all you cant see when the shot was taken as the shooter is out of the fram of this video, but and even at the 5 second mark cited above, the Ghanaian player started his run behind the last defender.

This is why I love this site. How can anyone watch this same video and see a player offside before the rebound?

Me i'm 100% happy Ghana was kicked the eff out because of the irritants we have on this site, but they were robbed in this game.

I agree. It was not offside. He had to have been offside at the time the initial ball was played by his team mate (and should be not at an advantage at that moment) not at the time of the rebound. In effect, he was not previously offside. This is clear. It was a goal, and a bad mistake by the linesman.

[lacidi]

If Egypt wins today, all this would be irrelevant.

[DIMKA76]

Ok, indisputable evidence. It wasn't offside. What will CAF or FIFA do? Both bodies are notorious for sticking doggedly to archaic rules and taking the ridiculous stance on matters requiring simple common sense.

[Chief Ogbunigwe]

Prof,
No wahala. I have stated my side of the debate. Fortunately, the Ghanaian FA has filed a protest with FIFA and we can await the results of their decision.

I am sure you and your fellow Ghanaians desperately want to believe that.

Dude, you really need to go back to the rulebook. You can never be offside on a rebound.

Otitokoro,

I am surprised by your reading of the rule. At the time the ball was hit from outside the box, the eventual goal scorer was onside. The ball hit the GK and then rebounded off the post and the goalscorer outran his defender to hit home the rebound. There is no reason for disallowing that goal as the match officials did. It is really a shame that the officials took that decision but it was the wrong call.

http://asktheref.com/Soccer%20Rules/Question/26220/

http://www.askasoccerreferee.com/category/law11/

In any situation involving a “rebound,” there can never be an offense unless the player receiving the rebound was in an offside position at the time her teammate made the shot that led to the rebound that led to the ball coming to to a teammate of the player who made the shot. Remember, “no offside position, no offside offense.” So, to get to the offense issue, we have to assume that the recipient of the rebounded ball was in an offside position at the moment her teammate touched/played the ball.

Otito, he was on-side when the ball was kicked thus it was a legit goal.
A quick question: If a keeper caught the ball and the drops it to kick it out and a player(who was onside when initial ball was kicked to keeper but made the run after keeper caught the ball but eneded up behind the keeper) behind him steals the ball and rolls it into the net , is it offside?

thank you....was going to ask the last question you asked, but did not, as it might further confuse Otitokoro

In any event, make laff dem bredas jo

[airwolex]

i had nightmares of gyan leading the corner dance and disgracing Africa in the wc. thank you pharaohs and cranes.

[pajimoh]

i had nightmares of gyan leading the corner dance and disgracing Africa in the wc. thank you pharaohs and cranes.

The thought of not seeing golden numbers printed on their heads is a major relief

[1naija]

I would have preferred Ghana at the WC than Egypt , but you have to at least win at home to go to the WC. They didn't win so they will have to sit out.

Having said that, this is a laughing thread as uncle Gotti said. So let Ghana gerrara hia with their goal or no goal cry. I do think they were denied a legitimate penalty and I do think they were denied a legitimate goal, none of which would have made any difference in their chances of going to the WC.

[pajimoh]

I would have preferred Ghana at the WC than Egypt , but you have to at least win at home to go to the WC. They didn't win so they will have to sit out.

Having said that, this is a laughing thread as uncle Gotti said. So let Ghana gerrara hia with their goal or no goal cry. I do think they were denied a legitimate penalty and I do think they were denied a legitimate goal, none of which would have made any difference in their chances of going to the WC.

Even if Dem win the game by a million goals, if Egypt win today the bredas are screwed

[metalalloy]

Agree. Never said he was not onside at the time his teammate took the shot.
You need to look at whether he was off when the ball rebounded off the keeper. When he put the ball in the net, he was in an offside position (that's when and why the linesman raised his flag).

Further clarification on 'gaining an advantage' from FIFA (and they were clear on the starting point of reference - the rebound, not the initial shot on goal from a teammate)

Maybe this would also help: focus on the person who put the ball in the net (i.e. the goal scorer and not the shot taker, who is irrelevant in the application of this law). At the time of the rebound and prior to him striking the ball into the net, was he in an on-side or off-side (i.e. Gained an Advantage)?
Answering that question would help in better understanding FIFA Law 11 - Offside - 'Gaining an Advantage'

Here is another link with a wider angle that shows the Ghanaianian shooting the ball and the position of the Ghanaian who scored the rebound. At no point was he offside when the ball was struck. you can pause the video yourself

pic 1- Leg striking ball- Ghanaian onside
pic 2- Ball long gone- Ghanaian still onside.

Offside is judged at the time the ball is touched or played by a teammate, not when the player receives the ball, so the shot taker is most certainly relevant. Look at this quote on page 23 from the link below.

(1) Off-side shall not be judged at the moment the player in question receives the ball, but at the moment when the ball is passed to him by one of his own side .A player who is not in an off-side position when one of his colleagues passes the ball to him or takes a free-kick, does not therefore become off-side if goes forward during the flight of the ball.

https://ssbra.solidwebworks.com/ifab/as ... 997min.pdf

Focusing on the player who scored, at the time the ball rebounded to him, he was in an onside position when the ball was kicked AND because you can not become off-side if you go forward during the flight of the ball from an onside position. He did not gain an advantage as he was never "previously in an off side position"

Going by your interpretation, if a back pass is played by the opponent, and it rebounds off the post or the keeper , and a striker alone in the box behind the last defender kicks in it, your would find him offside which is incorrect.

[Enugu II]

[bret- hart]

Had to resurrect this. Where is thiefco

[Chief Ogbunigwe]

Had to resurrect this. Where is thiefco

who? Mysterious Dwarf? Werld Kap sweet o....DNQ no good o...

[furiously frank]

what difference does it make.
Ghana is boycotting the world cup

A new one
Ghana is boycotting the World Cup at Russia next year, because Putin mess with the US election?
How una dey swallow panadol for someone else's headache

[achuzia-the-air-raid]

Had to resurrect this. Where is thiefco

Getting hitched

[100%Naija]

[green4life]

Everybody singing hallelujah
Hallelujah
Make we sing ooh (oyaaya)
I say help me sing ooh (oyaaya)

[Bigpokey24]

did ghana win a home game in the qualifiers?