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PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 7:00 am 
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The key is the organization and discipline of the midfield shield in front of the CBs more so than the pace of those CBs. As Chelsea has shown recently, no matter how much pace Luiz and Azpilcueta have, they will struggle against strikers from Crystal Palace, Bournemouth and Watford talkless of Man City if the midfield shield lacks coordination (due to Kante missing). Naija doesn't have Kante but we have Ndidi, Onazi and other options on the bench. They should suffice to mitigate any concerns about the pace of our CBs.



The defensive shield in front of you is not going to deal with the ball over the top. When the fullback launches a long ball to his striker, you need centrebacks who can deal with the matter. If a pacy striker hangs on their shoulders, can Ekong and Balogun deal with it?

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We now know that Leon Balogun lacks pace. Against quick strikers, he will be shown a clean pair of heels.

As you can now see, we did not find out enough about our players during the qualification rounds. Only the naive believed that Swaziland, Cameroon, Zambia and Algeria provided a stern enough test for our boys. Well I have news for you, come Russia 2018, Balogun will be facing sterner tests than Abuobacar, Slimani and Masumba!

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We now know that Leon Balogun lacks pace. Against quick strikers, he will be shown a clean pair of heels.

As you can now see, we did not find out enough about our players during the qualification rounds. Only the naive believed that Swaziland, Cameroon, Zambia and Algeria provided a stern enough test for our boys. Well I have news for you, come Russia 2018, Balogun will be facing sterner tests than Abuobacar, Slimani and Masumba!



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Ayo Akinfe wrote:
We now know that Leon Balogun lacks pace. Against quick strikers, he will be shown a clean pair of heels.

As you can now see, we did not find out enough about our players during the qualification rounds. Only the naive believed that Swaziland, Cameroon, Zambia and Algeria provided a stern enough test for our boys. Well I have news for you, come Russia 2018, Balogun will be facing sterner tests than Abuobacar, Slimani and Masumba!



Please name these sterner strikers. Thanks.


Lionel Messi
Jesus Gabriel
Harry Kane
Diego Costa
Timo Werner
Romanu Lukaku
Luiz Suarez
Cristiano Ronaldo
Olivier Giroud
Mario Manzukic

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Ayo Akinfe wrote:
We now know that Leon Balogun lacks pace. Against quick strikers, he will be shown a clean pair of heels.

As you can now see, we did not find out enough about our players during the qualification rounds. Only the naive believed that Swaziland, Cameroon, Zambia and Algeria provided a stern enough test for our boys. Well I have news for you, come Russia 2018, Balogun will be facing sterner tests than Abuobacar, Slimani and Masumba!


Ayo,

The pace issue had been pointed out even before today by others as well. However, it had been well accounted for by Rohr who played the CDs further back and with introducing a strong second DM when Ndidi came aboard as starter. That was not the only issue, several others have also pointed out the discomfort that both Balogun and Ekong have passing the ball out of defense. These were known. Further the Algeria game showed Aina's issues contesting balls in the air. Look there are weaknesses but other teams have their own weaknesses as well. It does not mean the SE is bad because of these issues.

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Ayo Akinfe wrote:
danfo driver wrote:
Ayo Akinfe wrote:
We now know that Leon Balogun lacks pace. Against quick strikers, he will be shown a clean pair of heels.

As you can now see, we did not find out enough about our players during the qualification rounds. Only the naive believed that Swaziland, Cameroon, Zambia and Algeria provided a stern enough test for our boys. Well I have news for you, come Russia 2018, Balogun will be facing sterner tests than Abuobacar, Slimani and Masumba!



Please name these sterner strikers. Thanks.


Lionel Messi
Jesus Gabriel
Harry Kane
Diego Costa
Timo Werner
Romanu Lukaku
Luiz Suarez
Cristiano Ronaldo
Olivier Giroud
Mario Manzukic


Thank you very much. Please since your comment was about “quick strikers showing them a clean pair of heels, kindly tell us about the pace of Suarez, Jesus, Kane, Giroud :lol: and Mandzukic :lol:

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Enugu II wrote:
Ayo Akinfe wrote:
We now know that Leon Balogun lacks pace. Against quick strikers, he will be shown a clean pair of heels.

As you can now see, we did not find out enough about our players during the qualification rounds. Only the naive believed that Swaziland, Cameroon, Zambia and Algeria provided a stern enough test for our boys. Well I have news for you, come Russia 2018, Balogun will be facing sterner tests than Abuobacar, Slimani and Masumba!


Ayo,

The pace issue had been pointed out even before today by others as well. However, it had been well accounted for by Rohr who played the CDs further back and with introducing a strong second DM when Ndidi came aboard as starter. That was not the only issue, several others have also pointed out the discomfort that both Balogun and Ekong have passing the ball out of defense. These were known. Further the Algeria game showed Aina's issues contesting balls in the air. Look there are weaknesses but other teams have their own weaknesses as well. It does not mean the SE is bad because of these issues.



Bro, lack of pace is not a problem. David Luiz is lacy but he is a dafty! Then you have the likes of terry, pique and others who had amazing careers without blinding pace. Defending is more about positional discipline and Football is about team! No matter how slow your defenders are, your well cos trusted DM will make them look like Ben Johnson

After all mascherano and otamendi are very fast and world clas, yet, 2
Small children made them look like moronss :lol:


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danfo driver wrote:
Enugu II wrote:
Ayo Akinfe wrote:
We now know that Leon Balogun lacks pace. Against quick strikers, he will be shown a clean pair of heels.

As you can now see, we did not find out enough about our players during the qualification rounds. Only the naive believed that Swaziland, Cameroon, Zambia and Algeria provided a stern enough test for our boys. Well I have news for you, come Russia 2018, Balogun will be facing sterner tests than Abuobacar, Slimani and Masumba!


Ayo,

The pace issue had been pointed out even before today by others as well. However, it had been well accounted for by Rohr who played the CDs further back and with introducing a strong second DM when Ndidi came aboard as starter. That was not the only issue, several others have also pointed out the discomfort that both Balogun and Ekong have passing the ball out of defense. These were known. Further the Algeria game showed Aina's issues contesting balls in the air. Look there are weaknesses but other teams have their own weaknesses as well. It does not mean the SE is bad because of these issues.



Bro, lack of pace is not a problem. David Luiz is lacy but he is a dafty! Then you have the likes of terry, pique and others who had amazing careers without blinding pace. Defending is more about positional discipline and Football is about team! No matter how slow your defenders are, your well cos trusted DM will make them look like Ben Johnson

After all mascherano and otamendi are very fast and world clas, yet, 2
Small children made them look like moronss :lol:


Bro,

No one claims pace is the only quality that you need. However, it is one of the important qualities. Positional knowledge does not solve all problems in football. With positional knowledge combined with poor pace, you will be exposed.

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Enugu II wrote:
danfo driver wrote:
Enugu II wrote:
Ayo Akinfe wrote:
We now know that Leon Balogun lacks pace. Against quick strikers, he will be shown a clean pair of heels.

As you can now see, we did not find out enough about our players during the qualification rounds. Only the naive believed that Swaziland, Cameroon, Zambia and Algeria provided a stern enough test for our boys. Well I have news for you, come Russia 2018, Balogun will be facing sterner tests than Abuobacar, Slimani and Masumba!


Ayo,

The pace issue had been pointed out even before today by others as well. However, it had been well accounted for by Rohr who played the CDs further back and with introducing a strong second DM when Ndidi came aboard as starter. That was not the only issue, several others have also pointed out the discomfort that both Balogun and Ekong have passing the ball out of defense. These were known. Further the Algeria game showed Aina's issues contesting balls in the air. Look there are weaknesses but other teams have their own weaknesses as well. It does not mean the SE is bad because of these issues.



Bro, lack of pace is not a problem. David Luiz is lacy but he is a dafty! Then you have the likes of terry, pique and others who had amazing careers without blinding pace. Defending is more about positional discipline and Football is about team! No matter how slow your defenders are, your well cos trusted DM will make them look like Ben Johnson

After all mascherano and otamendi are very fast and world clas, yet, 2
Small children made them look like moronss :lol:


Bro,

No one claims pace is the only quality that you need. However, it is one of the important qualities. Positional knowledge does not solve all problems in football. With positional knowledge combined with poor pace, you will be exposed.


Rohr needs to try out a few more centrebacks. He needs complete players if he is serious about winning the World Cup.

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Ayo Akinfe wrote:
danfo driver wrote:
Ayo Akinfe wrote:
We now know that Leon Balogun lacks pace. Against quick strikers, he will be shown a clean pair of heels.

As you can now see, we did not find out enough about our players during the qualification rounds. Only the naive believed that Swaziland, Cameroon, Zambia and Algeria provided a stern enough test for our boys. Well I have news for you, come Russia 2018, Balogun will be facing sterner tests than Abuobacar, Slimani and Masumba!



Please name these sterner strikers. Thanks.


Lionel Messi
Jesus Gabriel
Harry Kane
Diego Costa
Timo Werner
Romanu Lukaku
Luiz Suarez
Cristiano Ronaldo
Olivier Giroud
Mario Manzukic

I'm not sure I agree that these guys have pace.

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theYemster wrote:
Ayo Akinfe wrote:
danfo driver wrote:
Ayo Akinfe wrote:
We now know that Leon Balogun lacks pace. Against quick strikers, he will be shown a clean pair of heels.

As you can now see, we did not find out enough about our players during the qualification rounds. Only the naive believed that Swaziland, Cameroon, Zambia and Algeria provided a stern enough test for our boys. Well I have news for you, come Russia 2018, Balogun will be facing sterner tests than Abuobacar, Slimani and Masumba!



Please name these sterner strikers. Thanks.


Lionel Messi
Jesus Gabriel
Harry Kane
Diego Costa
Timo Werner
Romanu Lukaku
Luiz Suarez
Cristiano Ronaldo
Olivier Giroud
Mario Manzukic

I'm not sure I agree that these guys have pace.


TBH apart from Messi and maybe Ronaldo nobody there has blistering pace.

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airwolex wrote:
theYemster wrote:
Ayo Akinfe wrote:
danfo driver wrote:
Ayo Akinfe wrote:
We now know that Leon Balogun lacks pace. Against quick strikers, he will be shown a clean pair of heels.

As you can now see, we did not find out enough about our players during the qualification rounds. Only the naive believed that Swaziland, Cameroon, Zambia and Algeria provided a stern enough test for our boys. Well I have news for you, come Russia 2018, Balogun will be facing sterner tests than Abuobacar, Slimani and Masumba!



Please name these sterner strikers. Thanks.


Lionel Messi
Jesus Gabriel
Harry Kane
Diego Costa
Timo Werner
Romanu Lukaku
Luiz Suarez
Cristiano Ronaldo
Olivier Giroud
Mario Manzukic

I'm not sure I agree that these guys have pace.


TBH apart from Messi and maybe Ronaldo nobody there has blistering pace.


Lukaku, Costa and Kane are quick but they are strong as well which makes it difficult to get the ball off them.
Timo Werner is also very quick

But to list Giroud and Manzudkic as pacy forwards...?? :blink: :blink:

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Heavy D, we need to see Balogun and Ekong handle these kind of forwards. Yesterday, Argentina ran riot in the first half.

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Yeah but it was obvious they were getting used to the new system.

I was really impressed by the defensive discipline the whole team showed in the second half. There were some over robust tackles which would have drawn yellow cards in a competitive game but the boys can learn from that

Troost Ekong was particularly impressive, blocking, heading and matching the Argentine forwards for pace. Must be one of the best defensive displays I have seen from the eagles for a long long time. Very encouraging

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Yeah but it was obvious they were getting used to the new system.

I was really impressed by the defensive discipline the whole team showed in the second half. There were some over robust tackles which would have drawn yellow cards in a competitive game but the boys can learn from that

Troost Ekong was particularly impressive, blocking, heading and matching the Argentine forwards for pace. Must be one of the best defensive displays I have seen from the eagles for a long long time. Very encouraging




I can understand them getting used to the system and having to get to grips with how they cope with the balls into the channels. In the first half, that was our main undoing. No one knew what to do when the ball was played behind the wingbacks and Balogun and Awaziem were struggling everytime they were isolated.

Ekong was not so exposed because he was in the middle. However, system or not, I was worried about the way Balogun did not have the pace to keep up whenever he was isolated. If you also look at their second goal, I and still wondering how Aguero got to the ball ahead of Ekong and Awaziem.

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