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PostPosted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 3:39 pm 
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The discussion seems good because there exists - in the arguments - several "for and against" the goalkeepers involved. However, it seems some people's position against Akpeyi are taken out of fear, which the coaches doesn't seem to have. As already said by some, let's keep our fingers crossed and see what happens.

If by fear you mean a fear of the repeat of what we have actually witnessed, then yes...

Personally, I think dude is poor to average, but recognize that GK is presently an area of weakness for us, and he is experienced and decent enough to at the very least provide a reasonable backup.

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NFF must not allow Akpeti to wear the SE's kit anymore.. he is the worst goalkeeper i have ever seen wearing the green white green

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So, while scanning for Champions league games this evening, I caught the 2nd half of the Bidvest Wits vs Chippa United South African league game, and our man was at it again.

For starters, it was good to see James Okwuosa as captain of Chippa United, and it was also good to see the veteran Steven Pienaar playing for Bidwest.

In the 74th minute, a harmless cross that had the sting taken out of it by an attempted block looped into the box (away from Goal) and Akpeyi came to gather. For whatever reason, Akpeyi made a hash of it and sort of pushed/parried the ball backwards over his head for what would have been a spectacular own goal, but Okwuosa cleared off the line.

The commentators were laughing and making fun of Akpeyi, as it appeared he was was attempting to blame someone else for his mistake.

Akpeyi's Blablalawo must be strong, as his team scored 2 late goals to get the away win over the defending champions. He appeared to injure his shoulder late on though. Maybe he was just wasting time.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 6:35 pm 
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So, while scanning for Champions league games this evening, I caught the 2nd half of the Bidvest Wits vs Chippa United South African league game, and our man was at it again.

For starters, it was good to see James Okwuosa as captain of Chippa United, and it was also good to see the veteran Steven Pienaar playing for Bidwest.

In the 74th minute, a harmless cross that had the sting taken out of it by an attempted block looped into the box (away from Goal) and Akpeyi came to gather. For whatever reason, Akpeyi made a hash of it and sort of pushed/parried the ball backwards over his head for what would have been a spectacular own goal, but Okwuosa cleared off the line.

The commentators were laughing and making fun of Akpeyi, as it appeared he was was attempting to blame someone else for his mistake.

Akpeyi's Blablalawo must be strong, as his team scored 2 late goals to get the away win over the defending champions. He appeared to injure his shoulder late on though. Maybe he was just wasting time.


Who is your client that you trying to replace Akeyi with?


"With whom you are trying to replace Akpeyi."


Anyway, there is only one wealthy client who has been able to pay school fees and chop money for a bunch of shameless men. :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Akpeyi Update
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CE has sunk to a new low! Akpeyi is getting crucified without video evidence of what he did wrong. Unless you believe you know better than his club and national team coaches who continue to call on him then I suggest you keep your “dead rubber “opinions to yourself. Akpeyi did well vs Egypt in Cairo when called upon. Yes, he’s not Buffon but we’ve never had one either. If a lot of u reached the same level in your respective professions you’d be better off.

I appreciate the effort and commitment Akpeyi has given to SE and I hope he continues to be called as long as his coaches see value in him because they know best. Not CE yahoos with a mobile phone!


I KPOM the above. While, Akpeyi was jittery in a few games with Nigeria, we saw an entire match to make such a judgment. Unfortunately, here, we are asked to reach a conclusion based on one error. If only all our players are judged by such an error count. The question: How did he do in the entire game? Or is Rohr on the take by constantly inviting him? Should we reach conclusion on Uzoho based on this singular report below? :dream:

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New Super Eagles invitee, Uzoho commits ‘blunder’ in Deportivo stalemate
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By Brila - November 2, 20170

Newly invited Super Eagles goalkeeper Francis Odinaka Uzoho commits a blunder that led to a penalty goal in Deportivo La Coruna B 2-2 draw against Pontevedra.

Uzoho, however, had Oscar Pinchi to thank as his late equalize earned La Coruna a hard-earned draw in the 2nd additional minute of the game.

The 18-year old Uzoho who is in the squad of the senior national team of Nigeria ‎for their games against Algeria and Argentina kept goal for Deportivo La Coruna B team who are known as Fabril in the third tier of Spanish Football League.

Demoted to the B team following the sacking of Pepe Mel, the 18-year-old who has two La-Liga games to his belt brought down Pontevedra forward David Anon in the box, and the forward blast the resultant penalty past him for the opening goal of the game.

Anon made it 2-1 to Pontevedra when he finished a classic counter-attack move past Uzoho, whose three games clean sheet for the B team ended when he conceded the opening penalty.

Pinchi, however, ensured that Deportivo La Coruna salvage a point from the game when he struck two minutes into time added time to save his team from embarrassment particularly Uzoho who gave away the first penalty.

Francis Uzoho is expected to team up with the Super Eagles for their next fixtures during the international break as they face Algeria in the final qualifying match for the FIFA World cup and Argentina in a glamour game to be played in Russia.


It is NOT one blunder that made people criticize him.

He lacks confidence.

Go to that match thread or the numerous threads about his performance.

A goalkeep does not have the luxury of making errors. You are never sure if he will handle a routine cross or a routine shot... he does not organize his defense well... his jitterness often get transmitted and transfered to his defenders.

There is absoutely NO upside with him in goal. Not his keeping, ball distribution, command of his area, organizing his defense. NOTHING!

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 Post subject: Re: Akpeyi Update
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Bigpokey,

So obviously by the above Rohr believes Akpeyi is better than Alampasu and Ajiboye, right? He has dropped those two and has continued to invite Akpeyi. Why is Rohr doing this?

Why did Keshi take Gabriel to the WC? Why did Lagerbeer take Utaka to the WC? Why did Lagerbeer play Keita wide out right (or play Afolabi at LB - when Taiwo was fit enough to come into the game)? Why did Onigbinde exclude Yakubu and Agali and took neophyte Ogbeche? Why did Westerhoff never call-up Chris Ohenhen at the peak of his career at La Liga? Why did Oliseh drop Mikel from the SE and replaced him with Onobi? Why did Betty seemingly place more emphasis on clean t-shirts than the product on the field :D ?! Et al.

Coaches are human and thus their calls are not infallible. So, while we may defer to a coach to live and die by his judgment, it is not inappropriate for fans (who actually suffer and celebrate alongside the team) to question same. Accordingly, while we may not be personally privy to Coach Rohr's reasons for repeatedly calling up Mr. Akpeyi (not least because we have no personal privity to SE training sessions) and recognize we have no direct influence thereover, we have nonetheless all PERSONALLY witnessed the jittery (if not completely calamitous) performances of Mr. Akpeyi in SE matches (not training, but actual official games) and therefore in a proper and appropriate position to question his continued relevance. Bros, this is one of those times where "because the Coach said so" is simply not enough. After all, our taxes (if most Nigerians actually paid taxes) pays for this ish!


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1naija wrote:
truetalk wrote:
So, while scanning for Champions league games this evening, I caught the 2nd half of the Bidvest Wits vs Chippa United South African league game, and our man was at it again.

For starters, it was good to see James Okwuosa as captain of Chippa United, and it was also good to see the veteran Steven Pienaar playing for Bidwest.

In the 74th minute, a harmless cross that had the sting taken out of it by an attempted block looped into the box (away from Goal) and Akpeyi came to gather. For whatever reason, Akpeyi made a hash of it and sort of pushed/parried the ball backwards over his head for what would have been a spectacular own goal, but Okwuosa cleared off the line.

The commentators were laughing and making fun of Akpeyi, as it appeared he was was attempting to blame someone else for his mistake.

Akpeyi's Blablalawo must be strong, as his team scored 2 late goals to get the away win over the defending champions. He appeared to injure his shoulder late on though. Maybe he was just wasting time.


Who is your client that you trying to replace Akeyi with?

Find the client who is going hungry, who needs to put food on his plate and you'll have your answer.

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 Post subject: Re: Akpeyi Update
PostPosted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 7:22 pm 
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Gotti wrote:
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Bigpokey,

So obviously by the above Rohr believes Akpeyi is better than Alampasu and Ajiboye, right? He has dropped those two and has continued to invite Akpeyi. Why is Rohr doing this?

Why did Keshi take Gabriel to the WC? Why did Lagerbeer take Utaka to the WC? Why did Lagerbeer play Keita wide out right (or play Afolabi at LB - when Taiwo was fit enough to come into the game)? Why did Onigbinde exclude Yakubu and Agali and took neophyte Ogbeche? Why did Westerhoff never call-up Chris Ohenhen at the peak of his career at La Liga? Why did Oliseh drop Mikel from the SE and replaced him with Onobi? Why did Betty seemingly place more emphasis on clean t-shirts than the product on the field :D ?! Et al.

Coaches are human and thus their calls are not infallible. So, while we may defer to a coach to live and die by his judgment, it is not inappropriate for fans (who actually suffer and celebrate alongside the team) to question same. Accordingly, while we may not be personally privy to Coach Rohr's reasons for repeatedly calling up Mr. Akpeyi (not least because we have no personal privity to SE training sessions) and recognize we have no direct influence thereover, we have nonetheless all PERSONALLY witnessed the jittery (if not completely calamitous) performances of Mr. Akpeyi in SE matches (not training, but actual official games) and therefore in a proper and appropriate position to question his continued relevance. Bros, this is one of those times where "because the Coach said so" is simply not enough. After all, our taxes (if most Nigerians actually paid taxes) pays for this ish!


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 Post subject: Re: Akpeyi Update
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Enugu II wrote:
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Akpeyi is crap and nothing y'all can say will change anything , when we played SA the SA commentators were laughing so hard when we had him in goal, that alone says a lot


Why is Rohr inviting him, may I ask? Please reconcile that for me. Does the dropology theory now apply to Rohr? Please explain. I hope it isn't too complex.


The answer to your question is quite simple... In Rohr's selection formula, he tend to place considerable quantum on a). The level a player is playing at and b). the frequency of games the player is getting. These 2 factors, underscored by the fact that we are very light on options are the sole reasons why he continues to get called up.

Rohr was prepared to retain Ezenwa in the 2nd leg against Cameroon, even though Akpeyi was fit to play. If Magnet gets back in form, Ezenwa continues to impress and Uzoho continues to get games, Akpeyi will continue to slide down the pecking order.


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Most worldclass keepers have an aura of assuredness and confidence about them. They own every blade of grass in the 6 yard box and mentally intimidate even the best strikers. They marshal the back 4 and are always barking out commands and provide extra cover as a sweeper in defence.

Akpeyi is simply mentally fragile (even Ezenwa has one up on him in this regard) and doesn't tick any of the above boxes. When you look into his eyes he doesn't inspire confidence. Such a keeper just encourages the opposition to take pot shots and shoot on sight.

The 3 to board to Russia have to be Magnet, Ezenwa and Uzoho in that order QED.


Kpom! A jittery keeper infects the defense and makes defenders susceptible to mistakes as well. Its a complete No-No for Keepers/Defenders to be jittery...and it still remains one of my biggest issues with Yobo. He panicked the area

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Kpom! A jittery keeper infects the defense and makes defenders susceptible to mistakes as well. Its a complete No-No for Keepers/Defenders to be jittery...and it still remains one of my biggest issues with Yobo. He panicked the area

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Gotti wrote:
Enugu II wrote:
Bigpokey,

So obviously by the above Rohr believes Akpeyi is better than Alampasu and Ajiboye, right? He has dropped those two and has continued to invite Akpeyi. Why is Rohr doing this?

Why did Keshi take Gabriel to the WC? Why did Lagerbeer take Utaka to the WC? Why did Lagerbeer play Keita wide out right (or play Afolabi at LB - when Taiwo was fit enough to come into the game)? Why did Onigbinde exclude Yakubu and Agali and took neophyte Ogbeche? Why did Westerhoff never call-up Chris Ohenhen at the peak of his career at La Liga? Why did Oliseh drop Mikel from the SE and replaced him with Onobi? Why did Betty seemingly place more emphasis on clean t-shirts than the product on the field :D ?! Et al.

Coaches are human and thus their calls are not infallible. So, while we may defer to a coach to live and die by his judgment, it is not inappropriate for fans (who actually suffer and celebrate alongside the team) to question same. Accordingly, while we may not be personally privy to Coach Rohr's reasons for repeatedly calling up Mr. Akpeyi (not least because we have no personal privity to SE training sessions) and recognize we have no direct influence thereover, we have nonetheless all PERSONALLY witnessed the jittery (if not completely calamitous) performances of Mr. Akpeyi in SE matches (not training, but actual official games) and therefore in a proper and appropriate position to question his continued relevance. Bros, this is one of those times where "because the Coach said so" is simply not enough. After all, our taxes (if most Nigerians actually paid taxes) pays for this ish!


Gotti,

You can question him but that is simply your opinion and one made from a limited point of view because you as well as many CE, compared to the technical crew, are not in trainings to have better standpoint to judge a player. The opinion that counts in this is the coach's who watch this players frequently ad in close quarters. There view are far more credible except if you have some evidence that such decisions are hampered by other motives.

Take the case where many here are calling for Alampasu. Yet, Alampasu has been in camp and competed with Akpeyi. Obviously, there is a reason (perhaps, performance) that make the coaches to prefer Akpeyi. That is the point that I make. You can criticize all you want, I do not seek to bar that. But also understand that there is another view and the one that not only counts but from a much better standpoint -- the coach's view. Gladly, no one has, YET, accused Rohr of being on the take because he prefers Akpeyi at the moment.

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Enugu II, in the absence of good, the only choice becomes the lesser of two evils..


I will not argue that, my brother. Perhaps, that is why Akpeyi is still with an invitation.

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Enugu II wrote:
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Coaches are human and thus their calls are not infallible. So, while we may defer to a coach to live and die by his judgment, it is not inappropriate for fans (who actually suffer and celebrate alongside the team) to question same. Accordingly, while we may not be personally privy to Coach Rohr's reasons for repeatedly calling up Mr. Akpeyi (not least because we have no personal privity to SE training sessions) and recognize we have no direct influence thereover, we have nonetheless all PERSONALLY witnessed the jittery (if not completely calamitous) performances of Mr. Akpeyi in SE matches (not training, but actual official games) and therefore in a proper and appropriate position to question his continued relevance. Bros, this is one of those times where "because the Coach said so" is simply not enough. After all, our taxes (if most Nigerians actually paid taxes) pays for this ish!

Gotti,

You can question him but that is simply your opinion and one made from a limited point of view because you as well as many CE, compared to the technical crew, are not in trainings to have better standpoint to judge a player. The opinion that counts in this is the coach's who watch this players frequently ad in close quarters. There view are far more credible except if you have some evidence that such decisions are hampered by other motives.

Already conceded that we are not personally privy to SE training sessions...

Nonetheless, your position is akin to saying that criticizing a hospital's CMO for retaining a doctor who continually leaves scalpels inside patients or repeatedly commits medical malpractice is not a "credible" (or somehow less credible) criticism because we do (or did) not see the doctor in training (or during his residency). Bros, presumably the PRIMARY objective of "training" is to perform well in actual official football games, and this una perchance for celebrating players who reportedly "dazzle" in training only to choke (or otherwise underwhelm) in actual games is a real head-scratcher. The CREDIBILITY of our opinions (or judgment) is based on what our eyes have actually PERSONALLY witnessed (and not just once, but multiple times at senior and U23 levels) in actual games played in public (not in secret or behind closed doors) in actual daylight or actual floodlights against actual opponents.

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Take the case where many here are calling for Alampasu. Yet, Alampasu has been in camp and competed with Akpeyi. Obviously, there is a reason (perhaps, performance) that make the coaches to prefer Akpeyi. That is the point that I make. You can criticize all you want, I do not seek to bar that. But also understand that there is another view and the one that not only counts but from a much better standpoint -- the coach's view. Gladly, no one has, YET, accused Rohr of being on the take because he prefers Akpeyi at the moment.

Bros, anyone with a faint tint of honesty is well aware that the SOLE reason that Rohr has yet to be so accused is because he is Oyinbo (and natives are always eager to grant Oyinbo the benefit of the doubt). If dude was Nigerian, his invitation and/or continuous retention of certain players would have long ago elicited loquacious howls of "hammering," "marketing," "egunje," and all manner of derisive drivel from self-hating natives. Even Lazy Betty who was brazenly pimping caps for trials was never called on it.

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Gotti wrote:
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Gotti wrote:
Coaches are human and thus their calls are not infallible. So, while we may defer to a coach to live and die by his judgment, it is not inappropriate for fans (who actually suffer and celebrate alongside the team) to question same. Accordingly, while we may not be personally privy to Coach Rohr's reasons for repeatedly calling up Mr. Akpeyi (not least because we have no personal privity to SE training sessions) and recognize we have no direct influence thereover, we have nonetheless all PERSONALLY witnessed the jittery (if not completely calamitous) performances of Mr. Akpeyi in SE matches (not training, but actual official games) and therefore in a proper and appropriate position to question his continued relevance. Bros, this is one of those times where "because the Coach said so" is simply not enough. After all, our taxes (if most Nigerians actually paid taxes) pays for this ish!

Gotti,

You can question him but that is simply your opinion and one made from a limited point of view because you as well as many CE, compared to the technical crew, are not in trainings to have better standpoint to judge a player. The opinion that counts in this is the coach's who watch this players frequently ad in close quarters. There view are far more credible except if you have some evidence that such decisions are hampered by other motives.

Already conceded that we are not personally privy to SE training sessions...

Nonetheless, your position is akin to saying that criticizing a hospital's CMO for retaining a doctor who continually leaves scalpels inside patients or repeatedly commits medical malpractice is not a "credible" (or somehow less credible) criticism because we do (or did) not see the doctor in training (or during his residency). Bros, presumably the PRIMARY objective of "training" is to perform well in actual official football games, and this una perchance for celebrating players who reportedly "dazzle" in training only to choke (or otherwise underwhelm) in actual games is a real head-scratcher. The CREDIBILITY of our opinions (or judgment) is based on what our eyes have actually PERSONALLY witnessed (and not just once, but multiple times at senior and U23 levels) in actual games played in public (not in secret or behind closed doors) in actual daylight or actual floodlights against actual opponents.



Gotti,

Unfortunately, the comparison of Akpeyi and the hospital CMO is a stretch and not compelling. For one, the doctor's training is terminal before practice at the hospital but the goalkeeper training is continual. Two different things, bro. But lets even look at the doctor case. The argument is "akin" to stating that the doctor who continually leaves the scapel but causes no death will be scored higher than one that continually kills his patients. Yes, you can criticize the doctor who leaves the scapel but the fact is that he still will be rated higher than the doctor that repeatedly kills.

Nevertheless, the important thing is that from FOOTBALL TRAINING the best guys are selected. It isn't everyone that gets selected. Akpeyi has been selected above others (Alampasu, Ajiboye) except one -- Ezenwa. In essence, while he has made errors, he has (in spite of those errors) shown that he is better than others not selected. That decision is based off training by credible observers (The coaches). Certainly, their observation is MORE CREDIBLE, without any iota of doubt, than the criticisms of you or any others who have not observed them in training. The coaches have decided that Akpeyi belongs in the squad and better than others who have trained and now not in the squad. That is the issue. Have Alampasu and Ajiboye performed better? That is the question.

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Training is not really as objective as you think it is.

There is a common saying in the English system, known as 'unbeatable in training', some of your average Joe players come match day, are actually known as world class in training.

And the reverse can also be true. The ultimate test for any player is match day and Akpeyi has never looked worthy to play for Nigeria on the real day.

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Enugu II wrote:
Gotti,

Unfortunately, the comparison of Akpeyi and the hospital CMO is a stretch and not compelling. For one, the doctor's training is terminal before practice at the hospital but the goalkeeper training is continual. Two different things, bro. But lets even look at the doctor case. The argument is "akin" to stating that the doctor who continually leaves the scapel but causes no death will be scored higher than one that continually kills his patients. Yes, you can criticize the doctor who leaves the scapel but the fact is that he still will be rated higher than the doctor that repeatedly kills.

Prof, of course not...
You of all folks should be in the position to know that residents are still in training.

And how exactly could a cogent argument be made that others would kill the patient if they are never allowed to treat real-life patients? After all, Akpeyi purportedly "out-dazzling" Ezenwa in training until providence took its fateful course.

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Nevertheless, the important thing is that from FOOTBALL TRAINING the best guys are selected. It isn't everyone that gets selected. Akpeyi has been selected above others (Alampasu, Ajiboye) except one -- Ezenwa. In essence, while he has made errors, he has (in spite of those errors) shown that he is better than others not selected. That decision is based off training by credible observers (The coaches). Certainly, their observation is MORE CREDIBLE, without any iota of doubt, than the criticisms of you or any others who have not observed them in training. The coaches have decided that Akpeyi belongs in the squad and better than others who have trained and now not in the squad. That is the issue. Have Alampasu and Ajiboye performed better? That is the question.

Prof, you gotta be kidding... :D

Bros, there's hardly any objective science involved here, and what you term "best" is for the most part merely reflective of someone's highly-SUBJECTIVE personal opinion and judgment. That's essentially why Oliseh selected Onobi over Mikel, or why Rohr chose Musa Muhammed (and even Wilfred Ndidi) over Shehu Muhammed (in fact, you can throw in Kenneth Omeruo as well) at RB. If it was not for the fortuitous twist of an injury, Akpeyi would still likely be the considered the "best" GK in training (over Ezenwa). Ultimately, the judgment and verdict of which players are supposedly the "best" (for whatever that phrase is worth) is made in actual GAMES! The fortunate thing is that in those GAMES, we all actually get to see how the players perform in furtherance of the end-goal of "training" - and the coaches are not granted a special kind of orbitals or vision to what's happening on the pitch. Accordingly, even though as humans we may arrive at various differing opinions thereto, we are nonetheless forming opinions on such game performances based on the EXACT SAME factual basis as the coaches. In effect, if we all see Akpeyi drop a harmless cross during a game it does not translate into a catch in the coach's eyes merely because Akpeyi was the "best" in training. It's still a jittery drop!

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 Post subject: Re: Akpeyi Update
PostPosted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 8:48 am 
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EMIR KONGI JAFFI JOFFA wrote:
CE has sunk to a new low! Akpeyi is getting crucified without video evidence of what he did wrong. Unless you believe you know better than his club and national team coaches who continue to call on him then I suggest you keep your “dead rubber “opinions to yourself. Akpeyi did well vs Egypt in Cairo when called upon. Yes, he’s not Buffon but we’ve never had one either. If a lot of u reached the same level in your respective professions you’d be better off.

I appreciate the effort and commitment Akpeyi has given to SE and I hope he continues to be called as long as his coaches see value in him because they know best. Not CE yahoos with a mobile phone!

I don’t need to see the recent antics of that guy but what I have seen wasn’t pretty he’s a mess and if he’s got what you like to see from a keeper that’s fine but I don’t trust him between the sticks for Nigeria!

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 Post subject: Re: Akpeyi Update
PostPosted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 11:59 am 
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Enugu II wrote:
Nevertheless, the important thing is that from FOOTBALL TRAINING the best guys are selected. It isn't everyone that gets selected. Akpeyi has been selected above others (Alampasu, Ajiboye) except one -- Ezenwa. In essence, while he has made errors, he has (in spite of those errors) shown that he is better than others not selected. That decision is based off training by credible observers (The coaches). Certainly, their observation is MORE CREDIBLE, without any iota of doubt, than the criticisms of you or any others who have not observed them in training. The coaches have decided that Akpeyi belongs in the squad and better than others who have trained and now not in the squad. That is the issue. Have Alampasu and Ajiboye performed better? That is the question.

Prof, you gotta be kidding... :D

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Prof, of course not...
You of all folks should be in the position to know that residents are still in training.

And how exactly could a cogent argument be made that others would kill the patient if they are never allowed to treat real-life patients? After all, Akpeyi purportedly "out-dazzling" Ezenwa in training until providence took its fateful course.


Bros, there's hardly any objective science involved here, and what you term "best" is for the most part merely reflective of someone's highly-SUBJECTIVE personal opinion and judgment. That's essentially why Oliseh selected Onobi over Mikel, or why Rohr chose Musa Muhammed (and even Wilfred Ndidi) over Shehu Muhammed (in fact, you can throw in Kenneth Omeruo as well) at RB. If it was not for the fortuitous twist of an injury, Akpeyi would still likely be the considered the "best" GK in training (over Ezenwa). Ultimately, the judgment and verdict of which players are supposedly the "best" (for whatever that phrase is worth) is made in actual GAMES! The fortunate thing is that in those GAMES, we all actually get to see how the players perform in furtherance of the end-goal of "training" - and the coaches are not granted a special kind of orbitals or vision to what's happening on the pitch. Accordingly, even though as humans we may arrive at various differing opinions thereto, we are nonetheless forming opinions on such game performances based on the EXACT SAME factual basis as the coaches. In effect, if we all see Akpeyi drop a harmless cross during a game it does not translate into a catch in the coach's eyes merely because Akpeyi was the "best" in training. It's still a jittery drop!


Gotti,

Again, the analogy of the hospital even when modified and restricted to residents seems stretched as the scenarios are different. Nevertheless, the fact that you cannot see the doctor that kills in order to evaluate him or her, in comparison to others, is simply because your standpoint is limited because you have not observed the 'training.' The observer at that training is in a better position. The observer has saved us, one should assume, from the ugliness of that observation in an actual practice on life human.

But to the more elaborate point that you have provided. I am a bit stunned that you have reached for a discourse on ''objectivity" that had been neither stated nor is it warranted. What has been claimed has never been "objectivity." What is claimed is as follows: (1) That the coach is in a better position to select the 'best' players in his view having watched the team in training and in games. Your view is greatly limited to watching games. One may also add that not only is the coach professionally trained but he has a better idea of who meets his criteria to play in his chosen system, (2) That the coach's view is not just more credible but the one that counts.

In neither of those two points is there an indication of a warrant for a discourse on 'objectivity.'

Perhaps, a large point is that it seems to me that you miss the crux of the argument from the word go. You seem to focus exclusively on who is starting in a game. Your discourse appears limited to that. I understand clearly that it should since, unlike the coaches, your standpoint does not stretch any further or beyond. However, no one has argued that Akpeyi should start. Instead, the argument is whether he is worth, at this time, a spot on the squad. Here we are talking of three goalkeeping spots. Rohr has already decided that the starting spot belongs to Ezenwa, at this time. Thus, the debate is whether Akpeyi is worth any of the other two spots. Perhaps, this clarity should make you re-think, one hopes.

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 Post subject: Re: Akpeyi Update
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Enugu II.... If Magnet regains form and fitness, Ezenwa stays fit and Uzoho is still a regular at Deportivo, then the simple answer to your question is an emphatic NO :boo:


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