David Moyes, the epitome of EPL White privileges
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David Moyes, the epitome of EPL White privileges
I doubt a black coach will be offered second chance at top flight football, if he had the record of David Moyes.
Did West Ham ask Sunderland’s Ellis Short for the lowdown on David Moyes?
The man appointed to replace Slaven Bilic was deemed dated by his players when on Wearside, where he became shrouded in a cloak of negativity
Football club executives like to talk up the amount of “due diligence” they routinely undertake before hiring anyone but such boasts sometimes end up ringing hollow.
Anyone who watched Sunderland regularly last season can be forgiven for wondering precisely how much homework West Ham United did before appointing David Moyes to replace Slaven Bilic.
Had they, for instance, talked to Jermain Defoe? In a revealing interview last autumn Defoe, now with Bournemouth but then leading Moyes’s Wearside attack, said he felt the team had gone backwards since the Scot replaced Sam Allardyce in July 2016.
“We’ve given away stupid goals with schoolboy errors, the kind of goals we wouldn’t have given away last season,” Defoe said. “From where we were I feel like we’ve gone backwards. We’ve not hit our old levels. We’re trying to play one-twos on the edges of our box. We’re not solid. We need to get back to the mentality we had before.”
At that point the majority of Sunderland’s squad – admittedly not necessarily the most harmonious or high-quality bunch – had already lost faith in the former Everton, Manchester United and Real Sociedad manager.
They duly finished bottom of the Premier League, winning only six top-tier games all season – none at home after mid December – and signed off with a goal difference of minus 40.
The general tone was set as early as August when, following a home defeat by Middlesbrough, Moyes announced that a relegation struggle beckoned. Prophecies can rarely have proved as self-fulfilling. Granted Sunderland were woefully short on pace and creativity but it did not help that he kept describing his players as “limited”.
As senior professionals muttered about training being “old-fashioned”, with inordinate amounts of time devoted to crossing practice, Allardyce’s successor increasingly came across as a bit dated.
Despite deploying multiple formations through the campaign, his tactics often seemed two-dimensional at best. “David couldn’t get inside the players’ heads, particularly the foreign players,” said an insider, citing his sidelining of the previously influential, suddenly underachieving Tunisia winger Wahbi Khazri as a prime example.
It is said that travel broadens the mind but Moyes’s Spanish odyssey appeared to exert the reverse effect. Perhaps his Basque culture shock explains why part of his £30m summer of 2016 spend for Sunderland was invested in several players he had previously worked with at either Goodison Park or Old Trafford, including Victor Anichebe, Adnan Januzaj, Steven Pienaar and Paddy McNair. Last January the arrival of Darron Gibson, Joleon Lescott and Bryan Oviedo boosted the number of old boys reunited. True, money was tight but such signings smacked of laziness.
In mitigation Moyes had been unaware that Ellis Short, Sunderland’s owner, wanted to sell up or that the club was £110m in debt. Such straitened finances led to a mass of redundancies, announced in February. Moyes was aware such cuts were looming when, only a week before, he was away in New York with the squad, indulging in “boys bonding”, which he suggested could help avert relegation.
It not only failed spectacularly but prompted suspicions that his refusal to cancel the trip when so many support staff were about to lose their livelihoods betrayed a shallow, uncaring character arguably out of touch with the reality of many lower-paid colleagues’ lives.
A coach renowned for dynamism and meticulousness at Everton bristled at the merest suggestion that his own limitations may have been “found out” on the road between Stretford and San Sebastián while persistently blaming others for Sunderland’s failings.
“A lot of good managers have been relegated,” he said in April. “I’ll use this to motivate myself.”
West Ham have given him that opportunity but did they get round to consulting Short first? “We’d been in the Premier League 10 years,” Sunderland’s owner said only last Friday. “And I’d always felt like we were fighting. But last season the way we got relegated was particularly frustrating because I didn’t really feel like we had that fight. Getting relegated in last place was particularly galling, especially since the second half of that season before, when we’d survived, was the best half season we’d ever had. We’d been quite good so we’d gone into that summer on a note of optimism.”
Moyes soon put paid to that.
Moyes’ summer spend for Sunderland in 2016
Victor Anichebe (free agent, former Moyes player – Everton)
Adnan Januzaj (Man Utd, loan, former Moyes player)
Paddy McNair (Man Utd, £4.5m, former Moyes)
Donald Love (Man Utd, £1.5m, former Moyes)
Steven Pienaar (free agent, former Moyes – Everton)
Papy Djilobodji (Chelsea, £8m)
Didier Ndong (Lorient £13.6m)
Jason Denayer (Manchester City loan)
Javier Manquillo (Atlético Madrid, loan)
January 2017
Joleon Lescott (free agent, former Moyes – Everton)
Darron Gibson (Everton, former Moyes)
Bryan Oviedo (Everton, former Moyes)
The last two for a joint £7.5m
https://www.theguardian.com/football/bl ... llis-short
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Let's see how West Ham will perform under him.
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He was successful at Everton. No?
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i knew this thread was coming lol
but i agree
but i agree
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Re: David Moyes, the epitome of EPL White privilege
Yes he was.1naija wrote:He was successful at Everton. No?
...But he was a disaster in Manchester United , Real Sociedad and relegated Sunderland after spending £30 million.
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Maybe West Ham's goal is not win the EPL like Man U.realtrouble wrote:Yes he was.1naija wrote:He was successful at Everton. No?
...But he was a disaster in Manchester United , Real Sociedad and relegated Sunderland after spending £30 million.
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So in that case it's more like a fourth chance not second.realtrouble wrote:Yes he was.1naija wrote:He was successful at Everton. No?
...But he was a disaster in Manchester United , Real Sociedad and relegated Sunderland after spending £30 million.
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And with West Ham in similar situation with Sunderland, your guess is as good as mine.theYemster wrote:So in that case it's more like a fourth chance not second.realtrouble wrote:Yes he was.1naija wrote:He was successful at Everton. No?
...But he was a disaster in Manchester United , Real Sociedad and relegated Sunderland after spending £30 million.
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I am listening to these folks on tv sing of Moyes as being the right man to save Westham from relegation...they are not old people else i would have said they were struggling from amnesia....was it not the same Moyes who just relegated Sunderland, he started with them from the beginning and he could not save them.
Damn i should have come this world a white man..i will be entitled to white privileges too! I feel like puking just listening to these dishonest folks.
Damn i should have come this world a white man..i will be entitled to white privileges too! I feel like puking just listening to these dishonest folks.
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oloye wrote:I am listening to these folks on tv sing of Moyes as being the right man to save Westham from relegation...they are not old people else i would have said they were struggling from amnesia....was it not the same Moyes who just relegated Sunderland, he started with them from the beginning and he could not save them.
Damn i should habe come this world a white man..i will be entitled to white privileges too! I feel like puking just listening to these dishonest folks.
It's not too late for you. You can even say football been "bery bery" good to you.
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Your house nor dey head...1naija wrote:oloye wrote:I am listening to these folks on tv sing of Moyes as being the right man to save Westham from relegation...they are not old people else i would have said they were struggling from amnesia....was it not the same Moyes who just relegated Sunderland, he started with them from the beginning and he could not save them.
Damn i should habe come this world a white man..i will be entitled to white privileges too! I feel like puking just listening to these dishonest folks.
It's not too late for you. You can even say football been "bery bery" good to you.
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Re: David Moyes, the epitome of EPL White privileges
Moyes probably has impeccable references from the likes of Sir Alex Ferguson.
The owners know that if Moyes needs advice, he will call Sir Alex and others for a solution. If they don't know they know who does and will make that call.
The owners know that if Moyes needs advice, he will call Sir Alex and others for a solution. If they don't know they know who does and will make that call.
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Re: David Moyes, the epitome of EPL White privileges
So his phone was not working in Manchester, Sociedad and Sunderland?Kabalega wrote:Moyes probably has impeccable references from the likes of Sir Alex Ferguson.
The owners know that if Moyes needs advice, he will call Sir Alex and others for a solution. If they don't know they know who does and will make that call.
In hindsight he probably should've just stayed at Everton, where he managed to do just enough. They wouldn't have fired him and he'd likely still be there. It's probably for this same reason Wenger refuses to leave Arsenel. Fear of failure elsewhere.
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Re: David Moyes, the epitome of EPL White privilege
He was a complete disaster at his next 3 jobs - Manure, Sociedad and Sunderland. So the Everton "success" could be seen as an aberration.1naija wrote:He was successful at Everton. No?
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Follows the long lines of average coaches from
David O'Leary
Mick Mc Carthy
Sam Allardice (ok he is above average)
Harry Redknapp
David Moyes
I'd say British/Irish privilege
David O'Leary
Mick Mc Carthy
Sam Allardice (ok he is above average)
Harry Redknapp
David Moyes
I'd say British/Irish privilege
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Re: David Moyes, the epitome of EPL White privilege
oloye wrote:I am listening to these folks on tv sing of Moyes as being the right man to save Westham from relegation...they are not old people else i would have said they were struggling from amnesia....was it not the same Moyes who just relegated Sunderland, he started with them from the beginning and he could not save them.
Damn i should have come this world a white man..i will be entitled to white privileges too! I feel like puking just listening to these dishonest folks.
West Ham fans are not happy with the appointment, even if he saves them from relegation doubt he would win them over.
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So which kin privilege dey operate for Nigeria??? Imagine Oyibo build em own league and dey look after em own and una dey complain :
Na dem tell una to Useless una country and una football league? Abeg make una go siddon
Na dem tell una to Useless una country and una football league? Abeg make una go siddon
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...when I saw that Sammy Sosa color change na laf I laf tire. Like many of our Afro-black folks white is it. Sad!1naija wrote:oloye wrote:I am listening to these folks on tv sing of Moyes as being the right man to save Westham from relegation...they are not old people else i would have said they were struggling from amnesia....was it not the same Moyes who just relegated Sunderland, he started with them from the beginning and he could not save them.
Damn i should habe come this world a white man..i will be entitled to white privileges too! I feel like puking just listening to these dishonest folks.
It's not too late for you. You can even say football been "bery bery" good to you.
I loved the guy during home run derby/challenge with Mark McGuire of the late 90s.
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I have nothing against Moyes, but I sometimes wonder how these management teams/chairmen make decisions. Of all the coaches you could possibly approach, Moyes was your best bet???
Honestly, were I a shareholder, I'd sell. Not because I have anything against Moyes perse, but the management team that thought he was the best option is sure to do some other boneheaded things.
Honestly, were I a shareholder, I'd sell. Not because I have anything against Moyes perse, but the management team that thought he was the best option is sure to do some other boneheaded things.
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Re: David Moyes, the epitome of EPL White privileges
Coaching appointments are about relationships. We've seen all manner of coaches fail in the EPL, it's an impressive list. Several non briish ones have been recycled too.
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Re: David Moyes, the epitome of EPL White privileges
Very much doubt you sell with golden egg of media rights that's making EPL clubs attractive to the owners and they panic when they look like they going to be relegated.deanotito wrote:I have nothing against Moyes, but I sometimes wonder how these management teams/chairmen make decisions. Of all the coaches you could possibly approach, Moyes was your best bet???
Honestly, were I a shareholder, I'd sell. Not because I have anything against Moyes perse, but the management team that thought he was the best option is sure to do some other boneheaded things.
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Rimmer: Step up to Red Alert
Kryten: Sir, are you absolutely sure? It does mean changing the bulb.
Rimmer: There's always some excuse, isn't there?
Rimmer: Step up to Red Alert
Kryten: Sir, are you absolutely sure? It does mean changing the bulb.
Rimmer: There's always some excuse, isn't there?
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anikulapo wrote:So which kin privilege dey operate for Nigeria??? Imagine Oyibo build em own league and dey look after em own and una dey complain :
Na dem tell una to Useless una country and una football league? Abeg make una go siddon
The issue is ethnic minorities who helped with building the league are not really being looked after as you say.
Red Dwarf - Legion
Rimmer: Step up to Red Alert
Kryten: Sir, are you absolutely sure? It does mean changing the bulb.
Rimmer: There's always some excuse, isn't there?
Rimmer: Step up to Red Alert
Kryten: Sir, are you absolutely sure? It does mean changing the bulb.
Rimmer: There's always some excuse, isn't there?
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Guv007 wrote:anikulapo wrote:So which kin privilege dey operate for Nigeria??? Imagine Oyibo build em own league and dey look after em own and una dey complain :
Na dem tell una to Useless una country and una football league? Abeg make una go siddon
The issue is ethnic minorities who helped with building the league are not really being looked after as you say.
Well neither ethnic minorities nor majorities in Nigeria know what the hell they are doing in the Nigerian league. Focus and fix ya house before crying about someone else’s abeg. This nah Soccer and no be science
"The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy.....
"“There comes a time when one must take a position that is neither safe, nor politic, nor popular, but he must take it because conscience tells him it is right.”
MLK.
"“There comes a time when one must take a position that is neither safe, nor politic, nor popular, but he must take it because conscience tells him it is right.”
MLK.