Onyekuru given second public dressing down.

[paj]

Well you bring up Jose.

Jose will dress you down when he wants to get his message to you but he will also praise you to the high heavens when you do right.

So far, every time I read about this coach on Henry, it's negative. There's no acknowledgements of the tools that got him to the top. Just harping on the negative.

I don't like it at all.

But bros if a YOUNG player is using the public or making public his intent, don't U think his miscalculation should be diminished in public? I think every coach not only wants a player that will help him win but also one he can manage...what if he's tried it in private and dude just wont listen? I wont pretend to know the details of his situation but could his head be getting big? remember the Pep/Yaya public spat?

Pa

[danfo driver]

Well you bring up Jose.

Jose will dress you down when he wants to get his message to you but he will also praise you to the high heavens when you do right.

So far, every time I read about this coach on Henry, it's negative. There's no acknowledgements of the tools that got him to the top. Just harping on the negative.

I don't like it at all.

But bros if a YOUNG player is using the public or making public his intent, don't U think his miscalculation should be diminished in public? I think every coach not only wants a player that will help him win but also one he can manage...what if he's tried it in private and dude just wont listen? I wont pretend to know the details of his situation but could his head be getting big? remember the Pep/Yaya public spat?

Pa

Please provide links to what Onyekuru said publicly. Thanks.

[paj]

Well you bring up Jose.

Jose will dress you down when he wants to get his message to you but he will also praise you to the high heavens when you do right.

So far, every time I read about this coach on Henry, it's negative. There's no acknowledgements of the tools that got him to the top. Just harping on the negative.

I don't like it at all.

But bros if a YOUNG player is using the public or making public his intent, don't U think his miscalculation should be diminished in public? I think every coach not only wants a player that will help him win but also one he can manage...what if he's tried it in private and dude just wont listen? I wont pretend to know the details of his situation but could his head be getting big? remember the Pep/Yaya public spat?

Pa

Please provide links to what Onyekuru said publicly. Thanks.

After claims of Barcelona interest, which were almost certainly nonsense, and Oneykuru’s public desire to return to parent club Everton in January, Vanhaezebrouck hasn’t been afraid to bring the player down a peg or two.

..from the topic posting..

[mastermind]

players don't think like fans, they're warriors, if he thinks he's ready then he's ready for fight for a position @ Everton.

[maceo4]

For those saying the coach has it out for him, all he would have to do is give him the Musa treatment and move on, you might not agree with his tactics but he is still giving the bobo chances to show him what he has and he doesn't really have to. I'd rather focus on the points he brought up rather than quibble about the motives behind it. Are the things he mentioned true or not? To me they align with what ppl have said on this same board.

[Prince]

For those saying the coach has it out for him, all he would have to do is give him the Musa treatment and move on, you might not agree with his tactics but he is still giving the bobo chances to show him what he has and he doesn't really have to. I'd rather focus on the points he brought up rather than quibble about the motives behind it. Are the things he mentioned true or not? To me they align with what ppl have said on this same board.

bench your goal scorer

[Ugbowo]

For those saying the coach has it out for him, all he would have to do is give him the Musa treatment and move on, you might not agree with his tactics but he is still giving the bobo chances to show him what he has and he doesn't really have to. I'd rather focus on the points he brought up rather than quibble about the motives behind it. Are the things he mentioned true or not? To me they align with what ppl have said on this same board.

Would you rather get a public dressing down in front of your colleagues or would u prefer to get a one on one consultation in your workplace?

I'm just not a big believer in continuous negative talk especially for a 19 yr old. I would love to see balance from the coach.....something like "Henry has unbelievable talent and has all the tools to go places. I've spoken to him about certain aspects of his game that I feel if he improves on it, will take him to the next level"....you will not hear pim from me if he says that.

I'll tell Henry to listen to his coach and chill.

But these 2 back to back reports get as e be. If I'm his agent, I'm demanding answers from the coach.

[The YeyeMan]

Not sure what to make of this one. It sounds like a spurned coach hitting back at a player who has expressed a desire to be somewhere else.

No be only last week here this same man came out and said that Onyekuru is only thinking of the world cup and is not concerned about Anderlecht?

Oh really? I wasn't even aware of that. Yeah it sounds like a slighted coach to me.

Slighted because Onyerkuru isn't doing as asked?

I've watched him a few times and he is a bit selfish tbh. Not always a bad thing but it can be when at the detriment to the team.

i take it you were there when he was asked?

No need for me to be there when I can read the article and infer from what the coach has said.

[The YeyeMan]

Well you bring up Jose.

Jose will dress you down when he wants to get his message to you but he will also praise you to the high heavens when you do right.

So far, every time I read about this coach on Henry, it's negative. There's no acknowledgements of the tools that got him to the top. Just harping on the negative.

I don't like it at all.

But bros if a YOUNG player is using the public or making public his intent, don't U think his miscalculation should be diminished in public? I think every coach not only wants a player that will help him win but also one he can manage...what if he's tried it in private and dude just wont listen? I wont pretend to know the details of his situation but could his head be getting big? remember the Pep/Yaya public spat?

Pa

Please provide links to what Onyekuru said publicly. Thanks.

After claims of Barcelona interest, which were almost certainly nonsense, and Oneykuru’s public desire to return to parent club Everton in January, Vanhaezebrouck hasn’t been afraid to bring the player down a peg or two.

..from the topic posting..

The answers to some of these questions are all in the article, some people just need to take a deep breath and read it again.

[Gotti]

For those saying the coach has it out for him, all he would have to do is give him the Musa treatment and move on, you might not agree with his tactics but he is still giving the bobo chances to show him what he has and he doesn't really have to. I'd rather focus on the points he brought up rather than quibble about the motives behind it. Are the things he mentioned true or not? To me they align with what ppl have said on this same board.

His hands may be tied there because loan arrangements often require playing time...

[Gotti]

Not looking good for Onyekuru. The coach obviously does not think much if him judging by his regular stint on the bench. Henry has no more excuses to ram the coach's words far down his throat with solid performances from now on. When I rightly stated that Henry has not shown the desire to improve, the likes of Gotti were too quick to jump on my back.

Just as Wenger saying that Iwobi must add more goals to his game proves that Iwobi lacks ambition...

[Gotti]

I am all for telling a player as is.....but not in the press.

I am not sure what this coach is trying to do by publicly humiliating Henry 2 weeks in a row.....this day and age, you'll more than likely lose the player than have him come ur way. I don't know what has been said in private but I'll prefer it stays there.

Kpom!

I have personally proffered several times on this forum about what I perceive to be Onyekuru’s shortcomings and have persistently argued with Ayo that the 2018 WC may ultimately come to early for his development. Nonetheless, there is the irony though is that many of those quick to support the coach here would be pretty much the same folks quick to jump down any indigenous SE coach for publicly criticizing players or saying (which is effectively what this coach is saying about Onyekuru) that players did not play according to instruction. SMDH

[danfo driver]

Well you bring up Jose.

Jose will dress you down when he wants to get his message to you but he will also praise you to the high heavens when you do right.

So far, every time I read about this coach on Henry, it's negative. There's no acknowledgements of the tools that got him to the top. Just harping on the negative.

I don't like it at all.

But bros if a YOUNG player is using the public or making public his intent, don't U think his miscalculation should be diminished in public? I think every coach not only wants a player that will help him win but also one he can manage...what if he's tried it in private and dude just wont listen? I wont pretend to know the details of his situation but could his head be getting big? remember the Pep/Yaya public spat?

Pa

Please provide links to what Onyekuru said publicly. Thanks.

After claims of Barcelona interest, which were almost certainly nonsense, and Oneykuru’s public desire to return to parent club Everton in January, Vanhaezebrouck hasn’t been afraid to bring the player down a peg or two.

..from the topic posting..

Could you please provide a link to quotes from Onyekuru making public, his desire to return to his parent club, Everton.


Let me show you something:

Obama has publicly stated that he is a woman.

Now, do you believe the statement about Obama? Or would you like to see quotes or a video of Obama making that claim? Thanks.

[Gotti]

I really like the look of what I see on youtube, but it's youtube. He'd better do well just to trust his coach, Nigerian football is full of all this Dimeji Lawalish and Pius Ikediaish footballers that are very exciting to watch but not very effective.

Some would demur that 24 goals and league top scorer in first full season is quite “effective”

[danfo driver]

For those saying the coach has it out for him, all he would have to do is give him the Musa treatment and move on, you might not agree with his tactics but he is still giving the bobo chances to show him what he has and he doesn't really have to. I'd rather focus on the points he brought up rather than quibble about the motives behind it. Are the things he mentioned true or not? To me they align with what ppl have said on this same board.

Would you rather get a public dressing down in front of your colleagues or would u prefer to get a one on one consultation in your workplace?

I'm just not a big believer in continuous negative talk especially for a 19 yr old. I would love to see balance from the coach.....something like "Henry has unbelievable talent and has all the tools to go places. I've spoken to him about certain aspects of his game that I feel if he improves on it, will take him to the next level"....you will not hear pim from me if he says that.

I'll tell Henry to listen to his coach and chill.

But these 2 back to back reports get as e be. If I'm his agent, I'm demanding answers from the coach.

Enomwanren... in a normal world, yes. However, in this case, I will advise Henry to run! He is not owned by Anderlecht. I think it was a mistake for him to even return to Belgium. he is too big for that league. how can you be a bench warmer and be competing for highest goals scorer. he should have been loaned to france or germany.

He needs to run!

[danfo driver]

Not sure what to make of this one. It sounds like a spurned coach hitting back at a player who has expressed a desire to be somewhere else.

No be only last week here this same man came out and said that Onyekuru is only thinking of the world cup and is not concerned about Anderlecht?

Oh really? I wasn't even aware of that. Yeah it sounds like a slighted coach to me.

Slighted because Onyerkuru isn't doing as asked?

I've watched him a few times and he is a bit selfish tbh. Not always a bad thing but it can be when at the detriment to the team.

i take it you were there when he was asked?

No need for me to be there when I can read the article and infer from what the coach has said.

Cool. When are you also going to infer from Henry Onyekuru? There are two opinions here. The coach and Henry's. Or are you saying the coach is truthful and henry is a liar?

[danfo driver]

Well you bring up Jose.

Jose will dress you down when he wants to get his message to you but he will also praise you to the high heavens when you do right.

So far, every time I read about this coach on Henry, it's negative. There's no acknowledgements of the tools that got him to the top. Just harping on the negative.

I don't like it at all.

But bros if a YOUNG player is using the public or making public his intent, don't U think his miscalculation should be diminished in public? I think every coach not only wants a player that will help him win but also one he can manage...what if he's tried it in private and dude just wont listen? I wont pretend to know the details of his situation but could his head be getting big? remember the Pep/Yaya public spat?

Pa

Please provide links to what Onyekuru said publicly. Thanks.

After claims of Barcelona interest, which were almost certainly nonsense, and Oneykuru’s public desire to return to parent club Everton in January, Vanhaezebrouck hasn’t been afraid to bring the player down a peg or two.

..from the topic posting..

The answers to some of these questions are all in the article, some people just need to take a deep breath and read it again.

No, they arent. The Article does not have ONE QUOTE from Henry! What type of Journalism is that. As a journalist, you are required to get the opinion of both sides and print it. They claim Henry has BEEN TALKING, so it wont be hard to get his opinion? right?

its easy to write an article with the words of a white man taken as gospel and the black boy demonized as arrogant etc etc.

[Gotti]

No need for me to be there when I can read the article and infer from what the coach has said.

Why “infer” when there are direct quotes from the player himself?
https://www.si.com/soccer/2017/10/25/ev ... ico-madrid

Everton Loanee Henry Onyekuru Addresses Rumours Linking Him to Juventus & Atletico Madrid
By 90Min October 25, 2017

Everton loanee Henry Onyekuru has responded to the rumours linking him with a future move to Juventus and Atletico Madrid.

The 20-year-old joined the Toffees from Belgium club KAS Eupen for £7m during the summer, having scored 24 goals last season.

But he has not yet qualified for a work permit and was immediately loaned to Anderlecht, where he has found the net seven times in 15 appearances.

There has been repeated speculation linking Onyekuru with a permanent transfer away from Goodison Park, but he has insisted that he will have no say on his future.

“I’m aware that there are reports and offers from several teams, but Everton will decide that in the coming weeks,” Onyekuru told Complete Sports.

“My focus is on my game and I hope to do better for Anderlecht. The future will sort itself.”

Despite not having played a game for his parent club, Onyekuru's form in Belgium has caught the eye of some of Europe's elite.

The excellent progress of the youngster has seen his value potentially double, with the Mirror reporting that he could be sold for £15m.

Onyekuru's form will have rubbed salt into the wounds for Everton, who have struggled for goals so far this season and been unable to replace the prolific Romelu Lukaku.

Everton cannot recall the highly-rated striker, who made his international debut for Nigeria earlier this year and is expected to earn a call-up for their World Cup squad.

[The YeyeMan]

Cool. When are you also going to infer from Henry Onyekuru? There are two opinions here. The coach and Henry's. Or are you saying the coach is truthful and henry is a liar?

Haven't said Henry is a liar or that the coach is being truthful so I'm not sure what perspective you're coming from tbh. The coach has asked for something from the player and has said the player isn't giving it to him. You may not agree with the coach's approach of airing this in public - I don't - but he's clearly dissatisfied with the player. The player, as far as I know, hasn't commented on the coach's words. So this isn't a matter of determining which one of them is being truthful.

[The YeyeMan]

Why “infer” when there are direct quotes from the player himself?

https://www.si.com/soccer/2017/10/25/ev ... ico-madrid

That's all fine - although it doesn't answer the points the coach made about Onyekuru's playing style. That's the point I was replying to - not about the coach feeling "slighted" or "spurned".

[danfo driver]

No need for me to be there when I can read the article and infer from what the coach has said.

Why “infer” when there are direct quotes from the player himself?
https://www.si.com/soccer/2017/10/25/ev ... ico-madrid

Everton Loanee Henry Onyekuru Addresses Rumours Linking Him to Juventus & Atletico Madrid
By 90Min October 25, 2017

Everton loanee Henry Onyekuru has responded to the rumours linking him with a future move to Juventus and Atletico Madrid.

The 20-year-old joined the Toffees from Belgium club KAS Eupen for £7m during the summer, having scored 24 goals last season.

But he has not yet qualified for a work permit and was immediately loaned to Anderlecht, where he has found the net seven times in 15 appearances.

There has been repeated speculation linking Onyekuru with a permanent transfer away from Goodison Park, but he has insisted that he will have no say on his future.

“I’m aware that there are reports and offers from several teams, but Everton will decide that in the coming weeks,” Onyekuru told Complete Sports.

“My focus is on my game and I hope to do better for Anderlecht. The future will sort itself.”

Despite not having played a game for his parent club, Onyekuru's form in Belgium has caught the eye of some of Europe's elite.

The excellent progress of the youngster has seen his value potentially double, with the Mirror reporting that he could be sold for £15m.

Onyekuru's form will have rubbed salt into the wounds for Everton, who have struggled for goals so far this season and been unable to replace the prolific Romelu Lukaku.

Everton cannot recall the highly-rated striker, who made his international debut for Nigeria earlier this year and is expected to earn a call-up for their World Cup squad.

Inference is more effective than fact

[danfo driver]

Cool. When are you also going to infer from Henry Onyekuru? There are two opinions here. The coach and Henry's. Or are you saying the coach is truthful and henry is a liar?

Haven't said Henry is a liar or that the coach is being truthful so I'm not sure what perspective you're coming from tbh. The coach has asked for something from the player and has said the player isn't giving it to him. You may not agree with the coach's approach of airing this in public - I don't - but he's clearly dissatisfied with the player. The player, as far as I know, hasn't commented on the coach's words. So this isn't a matter of determining which one of them is being truthful.

To be honest, thats not even my concern. Ask Gotti, he was the one who answered my question last week. The last few weeks i have just been noticing something that has not sat well with me, as regards that coach and Onyekuru.

Honestly, I feel like the coach came in and he simply does not rate Henry or Henry does NOT fit into his plans... which is not a problem. However, Anderlecht did quite a lot to bring henry to the club. They fought to buy him and he rejected them. They were later able to then get him on loan. So clearly, the club (former manager and perhaps management) rate him very highly. And possibly Everton demanded on the loan agreement that Henry must play a certain number of games. so perhaps, the coach feels pressure to include a player he simply does not want and because of that frustration, he is taking it out on the player.

The above has been my feeling since last week, when Gotti confirmed that the coach that brought Henry in was replaced as far back as September. I didnt need this Article released today to have that feeling, honestly.

I believe Henry should put his head down and continue to work very hard. But on December 18th, when they go on break, henry should say good bye to everybody at Anderlecht and run 40/40. This is so much deeper than "i want to improve this player." Its obvious.

[olu]

Not quite sure what the coach is trying to achieve or how effective it is to criticize Onyekeru publicly. However, I wonder if Rohr shares a similar opinion as the coach, considering he didn't start against Algeria and that he was an unused sub against Argentina. Rohr may also not rate Onyekeru as highly as many on this forum rate him. I am only speculating though.