Onyekuru given second public dressing down.

[danfo driver]

Why “infer” when there are direct quotes from the player himself?

https://www.si.com/soccer/2017/10/25/ev ... ico-madrid

That's all fine - although it doesn't answer the points the coach made about Onyekuru's playing style. That's the point I was replying to - not about the coach feeling "slighted" or "spurned".

Dont forget this same man came out some weeks back to claim that Henry only wants to give his all to Nigeria and go to the world cup, but is not interested in Anderlecht. His attacks are quite personal! I dont think he is spurned or slighted. That was another forumer's opinion. Personally, I think this is a coach who came in to ANderlecht with his own plans and the players he likes and wants to use--- and when he got there, he was told by the management that he has to play Henry, and that has angered him!

Dont forget also that when the coach came, he tried to force Henry into playing as a striker. Anyone who knows Henry knows that he is NOT a damn striker. The kid scores a lot of goals, but he is not a striker. Clearly, the LF position Henry played at Eupen is not available to Henry in this man's strategy and he is upset that he has to change his tactics for a player he doesnt want.

Incidentally, Henry suffers in that striker position, and that is the same stick the man is using to beat him.

[txj]

He would be well advised to make the very best of his stay at Anderlect and not be in a rush to go to Everton under David Unsworth. Atm, Everton is not a team I would wish even for Ezenwa!

[The YeyeMan]

Cool. When are you also going to infer from Henry Onyekuru? There are two opinions here. The coach and Henry's. Or are you saying the coach is truthful and henry is a liar?

Haven't said Henry is a liar or that the coach is being truthful so I'm not sure what perspective you're coming from tbh. The coach has asked for something from the player and has said the player isn't giving it to him. You may not agree with the coach's approach of airing this in public - I don't - but he's clearly dissatisfied with the player. The player, as far as I know, hasn't commented on the coach's words. So this isn't a matter of determining which one of them is being truthful.

To be honest, thats not even my concern. Ask Gotti, he was the one who answered my question last week. The last few weeks i have just been noticing something that has not sat well with me, as regards that coach and Onyekuru.

Honestly, I feel like the coach came in and he simply does not rate Henry or Henry does NOT fit into his plans... which is not a problem. However, Anderlecht did quite a lot to bring henry to the club. They fought to buy him and he rejected them. They were later able to then get him on loan. So clearly, the club (former manager and perhaps management) rate him very highly. And possibly Everton demanded on the loan agreement that Henry must play a certain number of games. so perhaps, the coach feels pressure to include a player he simply does not want and because of that frustration, he is taking it out on the player.

The above has been my feeling since last week, when Gotti confirmed that the coach that brought Henry in was replaced as far back as September. I didnt need this Article released today to have that feeling, honestly.

I believe Henry should put his head down and continue to work very hard. But on December 18th, when they go on break, henry should say good bye to everybody at Anderlecht and run 40/40. This is so much deeper than "i want to improve this player." Its obvious.

Fair enough. Not sure he'll leave in December - isn't he the top scorer? If the coach thinks the team can do better without him then so be it. Though if he's going to leave in December he should find a better destination than relegation-bound EPL teams.

[Obiagu]

This coach is a complete moron...this is why many players lose respect for their coach. This kind of talk is what you have with a player in private. You will gain more respect instead of running his mouth in the press. I doubt he will be like that with Belgian player.

[Damunk]

This coach is a complete moron...this is why many players lose respect for their coach. This kind of talk is what you have with a player in private. You will gain more respect instead of running his mouth in the press. I doubt he will be like that with Belgian player.

How did you reach the conclusion that discussion(s) have not already been held in private?

[Gotti]

Not quite sure what the coach is trying to achieve or how effective it is to criticize Onyekeru publicly. However, I wonder if Rohr shares a similar opinion as the coach, considering he didn't start against Algeria and that he was an unused sub against Argentina. Rohr may also not rate Onyekeru as highly as many on this forum rate him. I am only speculating though.

You mean as highly as Ayo rates him...
And it’s NOT “speculating” when the facts are that he’s been hardly used by Rohr.

[Gotti]

This coach is a complete moron...this is why many players lose respect for their coach. This kind of talk is what you have with a player in private. You will gain more respect instead of running his mouth in the press. I doubt he will be like that with Belgian player.

How did you reach the conclusion that discussion(s) have not already been held in private?

Where did he say he reached that it’s not already been held in private (albeit there’s no available evidence that it has)?

All he’s said is that it’s the sort of discussion that is best held in private. By way of analogy, just because you have already had heated “discussions” with your spouse in private means that it’s better or more effective to continue same or have the next one publicly. I think Bros is merely saying that certain kinds of discussion (such as this one) are always best held in private.

[theYemster]

I really like the look of what I see on youtube, but it's youtube. He'd better do well just to trust his coach, Nigerian football is full of all this Dimeji Lawalish and Pius Ikediaish footballers that are very exciting to watch but not very effective.

Every playing ground is littered with them. Think they're the shhiit.

[danfo driver]

This coach is a complete moron...this is why many players lose respect for their coach. This kind of talk is what you have with a player in private. You will gain more respect instead of running his mouth in the press. I doubt he will be like that with Belgian player.

How did you reach the conclusion that discussion(s) have not already been held in private?

Where did he say he reached that it’s not already been held in private (albeit there’s no available evidence that it has)?

All he’s said is that it’s the sort of discussion that is best held in private. By way of analogy, just because you have already had heated “discussions” with your spouse in private means that it’s better or more effective to continue same or have the next one publicly. I think Bros is merely saying that certain kinds of discussion (such as this one) are always best held in private.

Apparently some people no dey hear word unless you shout for their head for outside.

[theYemster]

This coach is a complete moron...this is why many players lose respect for their coach. This kind of talk is what you have with a player in private. You will gain more respect instead of running his mouth in the press. I doubt he will be like that with Belgian player.

How did you reach the conclusion that discussion(s) have not already been held in private?

Where did he say he reached that it’s not already been held in private (albeit there’s no available evidence that it has)?

All he’s said is that it’s the sort of discussion that is best held in private. By way of analogy, just because you have already had heated “discussions” with your spouse in private means that it’s better or more effective to continue same or have the next one publicly. I think Bros is merely saying that certain kinds of discussion (such as this one) are always best held in private.

I think it's best held in private FIRST. And if that isn't effective then anything else is probably fair game. The coach's first responsibility is to the team not the individual player.

Westerhof did something vaguely similar (albeit to a lesser degree) with Okocha early in his international career and the player was better for it.

[Lolly]

I feel for the boy. If the coach could say all this in public, I can only guess how much and how he says it to the boy on the training ground or in private.

But the coach has actually described the things wrong with Onyekuru’s game and its almost exactly what I said about him on another thread last week. The boy is very raw and won’t make the next level if he doesn’t quickly start to make changes to his game.

[smartbrother]

I feel for the boy. If the coach could say all this in public, I can only guess how much and how he says it to the boy on the training ground or in private.

But the coach has actually described the things wrong with Onyekuru’s game and its almost exactly what I said about him on another thread last week. The boy is very raw and won’t make the next level if he doesn’t quickly start to make changes to his game.

Hmmm I've opposed the (IMHO premature) clamour for him to be included in the SE
However I have a problem with the unfairly high standards by which he is being judged
yes, Onyekuru is raw ....but that is because he is 19 years old!
By definition, one cannot be the finished product at 19. He is far ahead of his peers at this stage of his career.

every coach has a duty of care to his players to protect their confidence levels
this agbaya seeks to harm the player.
Reminds me of this interview
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Hopefully Onyekuru has people in his circle who -like Richard Williams- can help him keep his head up and not let this spiteful coach ruin his confidence

[mapet]

I am all for telling a player as is.....but not in the press.

I am not sure what this coach is trying to do by publicly humiliating Henry 2 weeks in a row.....this day and age, you'll more than likely lose the player than have him come ur way. I don't know what has been said in private but I'll prefer it stays there.

My tots exactly. What kind of coach is this?

[Damunk]

ACTUALLY....
I went and sought out the original interview on Anderlecht Online which was quoted by the article on Sports Witness that we are all now reacting to. And surprise, surprise, the Sports Witness article has successfully sensationalised the interview and got us all reacting.

'Public dressing down', 'mind games', 'bring the player down' and all the other emotive catchphrses have simply sexed up the interview, coloured our reactions and basically turned an every day managerial response to a simple question on a certain player into a major controversy.

Somebody obviously asked him a question and he gave his genuine thoughts, hardly any different from Wenger talking publicly about Iwobi's need to score more goals or do more defensively.
From the way the Sporting Witness article was written, one would think the manager called a press conference to humiliate Onyekuru.

Its all about the packaging. This one achieved its purpose.
See the original article below and read it without all the negative embellishments from SW. They also conveniently left out the positive things the coach had to say about Onyekuru.
Also remember this is a google translation from Dutch - so for example I think the word 'feeling' in the headline actually implies 'instincts'.

"Onyekuru does not yet have the feeling of a center striker"
FRIDAY, 24 NOVEMBER 2017, 14:52 - GarrinchaLogo
Anderlecht-Online
https://www.anderlecht-online.be/nl/article/162218

INTERVIEWS
Henry Onyekuru is currently the best scoring striker of Anderlecht. Yet it is not an option for Hein Vanhaezebrouck to play him as a center striker. "I've already tried that through a few incursions, but that did not work out well."

"Henry does not currently have the feeling to make the right walking movements from that position", says the coach. "He may think he can, but on the basis of what I see, it is clear that he does not have the feeling, he looks for his position, often stands still and does not know where to go. "

According to Vanhaezebrouck, the Nigerian is much more dangerous if he can come from his flank. "Then he feels much more comfortable. He can then occasionally dive into the center, something he does well. When he plays centrally, he even has trouble making the movements outside. As long as that does not improve, it is not an option to play centrally with Onyekuru. ''

Finish.
Its all about context.

[smartbrother]

^^ I Blame the op of this thread
Actually the coach echoes a point I made previously
Onyekuru has a narrow scope of application as a wing forward
Can't play as a central striker cant play as an out and out winger

[Bell]

ALWAYS TWO SIDES TO A STORY


There are coaches who may sometimes not correctly read a talent and suppress or misdirect it. There are also coaches who unnecessarily control players to leave the impression that they are responsible for every accomplishment. Many here think Mikel Obi was mishandled by Mourinho at Chelsea. Of course there are also great coaches with experience and insight. On the other side are young players who need to be guided and who need to be patient but don't understand it. It's difficult and unwise to take sides without being there.
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[metalalloy]

Not sure what to make of this one. It sounds like a spurned coach hitting back at a player who has expressed a desire to be somewhere else.

No be only last week here this same man came out and said that Onyekuru is only thinking of the world cup and is not concerned about Anderlecht?

Oh really? I wasn't even aware of that. Yeah it sounds like a slighted coach to me.

Slighted because Onyerkuru isn't doing as asked?

I've watched him a few times and he is a bit selfish tbh. Not always a bad thing but it can be when at the detriment to the team.

Slighted because Onyekuru has publicly made his desire to return to his home team.

[TonyTheTigerKiller]

Come on guys. You sound like you have absolutely no intuition. It is very clear to me that we have a coach who is afraid of loosing his unexpected but golden goose as early as this January and consequently, has decided to employ psychology to solve his problem, at least temporarily. If there’s any truth to the rumors about Barcelona and the other big clubs then the manager’s comments were not really directed at Onyekuru. They were directed at Everton and the numerous suitors of Henry Onyekuru


Cheers.

[1naija]

I really like the look of what I see on youtube, but it's youtube. He'd better do well just to trust his coach, Nigerian football is full of all this Dimeji Lawalish and Pius Ikediaish footballers that are very exciting to watch but not very effective.

Ikedia was better and more effective than Okocha. Let's not diminish the contribution of our past players.

[Guv007]

He would be well advised to make the very best of his stay at Anderlect and not be in a rush to go to Everton under David Unsworth. Atm, Everton is not a team I would wish even for Ezenwa!

Looks like Sam Allardyce now.

[The YeyeMan]

If there’s any truth to the rumors about Barcelona and the other big clubs then the manager’s comments were not really directed at Onyekuru.

With respect, there's no danger of Barca showing any interest in Onyekuru any time soon.

[maceo4]

Not sure what to make of this one. It sounds like a spurned coach hitting back at a player who has expressed a desire to be somewhere else.

No be only last week here this same man came out and said that Onyekuru is only thinking of the world cup and is not concerned about Anderlecht?

Oh really? I wasn't even aware of that. Yeah it sounds like a slighted coach to me.

Slighted because Onyerkuru isn't doing as asked?

I've watched him a few times and he is a bit selfish tbh. Not always a bad thing but it can be when at the detriment to the team.

Slighted because Onyekuru has publicly made his desire to return to his home team.

Can he get a work permit?

[Gotti]

I think it's best held in private FIRST. And if that isn't effective then anything else is probably fair game. The coach's first responsibility is to the team not the individual player.

Westerhof did something vaguely similar (albeit to a lesser degree) with Okocha early in his international career and the player was better for it.

And both are necessarily mutually-exclusive?