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aruako1 wrote:
Odas wrote:
Bigpokey24 wrote:
maceo4 wrote:
Bigpokey24 wrote:On a serious note how can we help odas.. this guy really lacks simple thinking skills..... most of his posts, are filled with zero efforts applied to reason critically .I thought he made errors gathering his thoughts together, but if yall pay close attention to the bobo I can state he may actually be slow in the head . this is very serious ooo..I am very concerned about odas
I'm starting to see your point, his arguments don't even make sense, he's saying the call for Vince (notice VE hasn't said jack on the issue) shows that Vince is a troublemaker. Is this guy ok upstairs? Then asked why Emenike is not making noise and 'trouble', bro, maybe because we don't have a crisis in attack, but we have one in GK that's why the call for VE. When Carl was there no one was calling for VE. Now he's trying to argue that Vince wouldn't be a leader? Like what are those two going on about...bunch of weirdos
I figured odas is actually ill upstairs ( I do not want to be disrespectful to the mentally challenged ) If you think i am joking or just poking fun at him, i dare you to read his posts on this forum..The bobo no be am at all... He has no idea how to express the poor thoughts coming out of his head.. if you doubt me, click on his profile and view all his post.. You will notice the way he asks a question, this will make you ponder if the guy is naturally slow or just using babel to translate to English.
I don't know why YOUR BOYFRIEND haven't serviced you yet. Please go back to school. You lack proper education or you are simply an educated illiterate. In addition, you have no respect for yourself.

In majority of your posts, you had responded to Forumers, using "abusive language" or words while unprovoked. Be assured it is now you and I in this Forum - I guarantee it! About a year or two ago, I warned you to stay away from me, but over the months, you drifted into my posts. Be informed I have been watching you with 20 eyes and now, it is you and I.
Thread derailment alert!!!!!
What's your point? Derailment by who? What has insulting me have to do with the issue at hand and if insulted, what stops me from defending myself.
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Bigpokey24 wrote:On a serious note how can we help odas.. this guy really lacks simple thinking skills..... most of his posts, are filled with zero efforts applied to reason critically .I thought he made errors gathering his thoughts together, but if yall pay close attention to the bobo I can state he may actually be slow in the head . this is very serious ooo..I am very concerned about odas

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metalalloy wrote:
Bigpokey24 wrote:On a serious note how can we help odas.. this guy really lacks simple thinking skills..... most of his posts, are filled with zero efforts applied to reason critically .I thought he made errors gathering his thoughts together, but if yall pay close attention to the bobo I can state he may actually be slow in the head . this is very serious ooo..I am very concerned about odas
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I see you have nothing to say - one way or the other. That's too bad :lol: :lol: :lol: Speak up, don't be sacred.
And the BIBLE says: The race is NOT for the swift, neither is the battle for the strong nor ... but time and chance makes them all.
Ecclesiastes 1:18: For in much wisdom is much grief and he that increases knowledge increases sorrow.
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maceo4 wrote:
Odas wrote:
mystic wrote:
Odas wrote:
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nzeogwu wrote:Well my people, I like Vince and yes, with our current team, a fit Vince with the right attitude makes the defense world class only because of what skill cannot buy, experience.

However, lets be clearly objective. This man had issues with Vogts, Sia Sia, and Oliseh. Please stp using my boy Sunny as a scape goat. He made some unpopular decisions but at the same time, Vince has issues and always has.

He can be allowed to compete but in no way can he be a captain or vice and he must earn a spot as one of the three on merit.
nzeogwu, while I support an Enyeama return when he has a run of games under his belt, I definitely do not support his being captain or vice-captain. It does not make sense to rock the leadership boat. As a former captain, it would only be natural for him to be a leader of the goalkeepers and the team in general. If veteran players like Enyeama, Martins, and Joel Obi make the World Cup team, their experience and leadership will bode well for the team both on and off the field. Right now, the relative experience of Captain Mikel, Vice Captain Onazi, Victor Moses, Echiejilie and Ahmed Musa in team leadership analysis,will only be enriched by the presence of the aforementioned players if called upon.
Chief Obong, I am confused. What do you mean by "the team in general" as highlighted in above? Will he be the Captain of the team? If not the team Captain why should Enyeama be the leader of the team "in general?"
You don't have to wear the Captain's armband to be a team leader.
... and this is an example of the disaster waiting to happen if Enyeama is back into the Super-eagles team. Who, who and who is he coming to lead? Is he coming to lead people who qualified the nation for the tournament in Russia after he absconded or his Chickens that doesn't know their ways or what to do? Nigeria, WE HAVE A MAJOR PROBLEM!
He's coming to lead the youngest team that qualified for the WC...who will clearly need leaders and experienced players.
Granted I am NOT the coach, but the SE does NOT NEED Enyeama in Russia. The team is peaceful at moment and did well without Enyeama, and will continue to do so.
And the BIBLE says: The race is NOT for the swift, neither is the battle for the strong nor ... but time and chance makes them all.
Ecclesiastes 1:18: For in much wisdom is much grief and he that increases knowledge increases sorrow.
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Bigpokey24 wrote:
Odas wrote:
maceo4 wrote:
Bigpokey24 wrote:On a serious note how can we help odas.. this guy really lacks simple thinking skills..... most of his posts, are filled with zero efforts applied to reason critically .I thought he made errors gathering his thoughts together, but if yall pay close attention to the bobo I can state he may actually be slow in the head . this is very serious ooo..I am very concerned about odas
I'm starting to see your point, his arguments don't even make sense, he's saying the call for Vince (notice VE hasn't said jack on the issue) shows that Vince is a troublemaker. Is this guy ok upstairs? Then asked why Emenike is not making noise and 'trouble', bro, maybe because we don't have a crisis in attack, but we have one in GK that's why the call for VE. When Carl was there no one was calling for VE. Now he's trying to argue that Vince wouldn't be a leader? Like what are those two going on about...bunch of weirdos
Oh, I see you are branching to insults which I don't take from anyone. Please from now on, stop responding to my posts on this issue, else I will respond in kind (with insults). In your post, you said it makes sense for Vince be a "LEADER", yet is denying it. The question is: Leader of what? Leader of Fools?

As to my reference to Emenike, if you have sense you would have seen he (Emenike) was used as a comparison to your SAINT - Enyeama. Again since you have chosen to insult me instead of defending what you wrote, please STAY away from my POSTS in this issue - THANKS!
:lol: :lol: :lol: i no talk am this bobo don kolo finish ,chei see sensitivity
I WARNED you several times before. I DO NOT insult people here or in anywhere and I do take a FIGHTING POSITION when insulted. Na me and you for dis place - we go see!
And the BIBLE says: The race is NOT for the swift, neither is the battle for the strong nor ... but time and chance makes them all.
Ecclesiastes 1:18: For in much wisdom is much grief and he that increases knowledge increases sorrow.
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Odas wrote:
aruako1 wrote:
Odas wrote:
Bigpokey24 wrote:
maceo4 wrote:
Bigpokey24 wrote:On a serious note how can we help odas.. this guy really lacks simple thinking skills..... most of his posts, are filled with zero efforts applied to reason critically .I thought he made errors gathering his thoughts together, but if yall pay close attention to the bobo I can state he may actually be slow in the head . this is very serious ooo..I am very concerned about odas
I'm starting to see your point, his arguments don't even make sense, he's saying the call for Vince (notice VE hasn't said jack on the issue) shows that Vince is a troublemaker. Is this guy ok upstairs? Then asked why Emenike is not making noise and 'trouble', bro, maybe because we don't have a crisis in attack, but we have one in GK that's why the call for VE. When Carl was there no one was calling for VE. Now he's trying to argue that Vince wouldn't be a leader? Like what are those two going on about...bunch of weirdos
I figured odas is actually ill upstairs ( I do not want to be disrespectful to the mentally challenged ) If you think i am joking or just poking fun at him, i dare you to read his posts on this forum..The bobo no be am at all... He has no idea how to express the poor thoughts coming out of his head.. if you doubt me, click on his profile and view all his post.. You will notice the way he asks a question, this will make you ponder if the guy is naturally slow or just using babel to translate to English.
I don't know why YOUR BOYFRIEND haven't serviced you yet. Please go back to school. You lack proper education or you are simply an educated illiterate. In addition, you have no respect for yourself.

In majority of your posts, you had responded to Forumers, using "abusive language" or words while unprovoked. Be assured it is now you and I in this Forum - I guarantee it! About a year or two ago, I warned you to stay away from me, but over the months, you drifted into my posts. Be informed I have been watching you with 20 eyes and now, it is you and I.
Thread derailment alert!!!!!
What's your point? Derailment by who? What has insulting me have to do with the issue at hand and if insulted, what stops me from defending myself.
It is a derailment by you and Bigpokey (now I have joined as well) because you were no longer discussing Enyeama.
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aruako1 wrote:
Odas wrote:
aruako1 wrote:
Odas wrote:
Bigpokey24 wrote:
maceo4 wrote:
Bigpokey24 wrote:On a serious note how can we help odas.. this guy really lacks simple thinking skills..... most of his posts, are filled with zero efforts applied to reason critically .I thought he made errors gathering his thoughts together, but if yall pay close attention to the bobo I can state he may actually be slow in the head . this is very serious ooo..I am very concerned about odas
I'm starting to see your point, his arguments don't even make sense, he's saying the call for Vince (notice VE hasn't said jack on the issue) shows that Vince is a troublemaker. Is this guy ok upstairs? Then asked why Emenike is not making noise and 'trouble', bro, maybe because we don't have a crisis in attack, but we have one in GK that's why the call for VE. When Carl was there no one was calling for VE. Now he's trying to argue that Vince wouldn't be a leader? Like what are those two going on about...bunch of weirdos
I figured odas is actually ill upstairs ( I do not want to be disrespectful to the mentally challenged ) If you think i am joking or just poking fun at him, i dare you to read his posts on this forum..The bobo no be am at all... He has no idea how to express the poor thoughts coming out of his head.. if you doubt me, click on his profile and view all his post.. You will notice the way he asks a question, this will make you ponder if the guy is naturally slow or just using babel to translate to English.
I don't know why YOUR BOYFRIEND haven't serviced you yet. Please go back to school. You lack proper education or you are simply an educated illiterate. In addition, you have no respect for yourself.

In majority of your posts, you had responded to Forumers, using "abusive language" or words while unprovoked. Be assured it is now you and I in this Forum - I guarantee it! About a year or two ago, I warned you to stay away from me, but over the months, you drifted into my posts. Be informed I have been watching you with 20 eyes and now, it is you and I.
Thread derailment alert!!!!!
What's your point? Derailment by who? What has insulting me have to do with the issue at hand and if insulted, what stops me from defending myself.
It is a derailment by you and Bigpokey (now I have joined as well) because you were no longer discussing Enyeama.
... yes because I was insulted and I was responding to the person who insulted me. It is either people debate with respect to others or leave the issue alone and move on - that is how I operate.
And the BIBLE says: The race is NOT for the swift, neither is the battle for the strong nor ... but time and chance makes them all.
Ecclesiastes 1:18: For in much wisdom is much grief and he that increases knowledge increases sorrow.
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... yes because I was insulted and I was responding to the person who insulted me. It is either people debate with respect to others or leave the issue alone and move on - that is how I operate.
So you agree with me then. Let us get back to the topic. We had been having a good natured debate.
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maceo4 wrote:
Odas wrote:
mystic wrote:
Odas wrote:
Obong wrote:
nzeogwu wrote:Well my people, I like Vince and yes, with our current team, a fit Vince with the right attitude makes the defense world class only because of what skill cannot buy, experience.

However, lets be clearly objective. This man had issues with Vogts, Sia Sia, and Oliseh. Please stp using my boy Sunny as a scape goat. He made some unpopular decisions but at the same time, Vince has issues and always has.

He can be allowed to compete but in no way can he be a captain or vice and he must earn a spot as one of the three on merit.
nzeogwu, while I support an Enyeama return when he has a run of games under his belt, I definitely do not support his being captain or vice-captain. It does not make sense to rock the leadership boat. As a former captain, it would only be natural for him to be a leader of the goalkeepers and the team in general. If veteran players like Enyeama, Martins, and Joel Obi make the World Cup team, their experience and leadership will bode well for the team both on and off the field. Right now, the relative experience of Captain Mikel, Vice Captain Onazi, Victor Moses, Echiejilie and Ahmed Musa in team leadership analysis,will only be enriched by the presence of the aforementioned players if called upon.
Chief Obong, I am confused. What do you mean by "the team in general" as highlighted in above? Will he be the Captain of the team? If not the team Captain why should Enyeama be the leader of the team "in general?"
You don't have to wear the Captain's armband to be a team leader.
... and this is an example of the disaster waiting to happen if Enyeama is back into the Super-eagles team. Who, who and who is he coming to lead? Is he coming to lead people who qualified the nation for the tournament in Russia after he absconded or his Chickens that doesn't know their ways or what to do? Nigeria, WE HAVE A MAJOR PROBLEM!
He's coming to lead the youngest team that qualified for the WC...who will clearly need leaders and experienced players.
Ok, if I was wrong before, here is the REAL proof of you saying something about Vince and leadership of the team.
And the BIBLE says: The race is NOT for the swift, neither is the battle for the strong nor ... but time and chance makes them all.
Ecclesiastes 1:18: For in much wisdom is much grief and he that increases knowledge increases sorrow.
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Odas wrote:
maceo4 wrote:
Odas wrote:
mystic wrote:
Odas wrote:
Obong wrote:
nzeogwu wrote:Well my people, I like Vince and yes, with our current team, a fit Vince with the right attitude makes the defense world class only because of what skill cannot buy, experience.

However, lets be clearly objective. This man had issues with Vogts, Sia Sia, and Oliseh. Please stp using my boy Sunny as a scape goat. He made some unpopular decisions but at the same time, Vince has issues and always has.

He can be allowed to compete but in no way can he be a captain or vice and he must earn a spot as one of the three on merit.
nzeogwu, while I support an Enyeama return when he has a run of games under his belt, I definitely do not support his being captain or vice-captain. It does not make sense to rock the leadership boat. As a former captain, it would only be natural for him to be a leader of the goalkeepers and the team in general. If veteran players like Enyeama, Martins, and Joel Obi make the World Cup team, their experience and leadership will bode well for the team both on and off the field. Right now, the relative experience of Captain Mikel, Vice Captain Onazi, Victor Moses, Echiejilie and Ahmed Musa in team leadership analysis,will only be enriched by the presence of the aforementioned players if called upon.
Chief Obong, I am confused. What do you mean by "the team in general" as highlighted in above? Will he be the Captain of the team? If not the team Captain why should Enyeama be the leader of the team "in general?"
You don't have to wear the Captain's armband to be a team leader.
... and this is an example of the disaster waiting to happen if Enyeama is back into the Super-eagles team. Who, who and who is he coming to lead? Is he coming to lead people who qualified the nation for the tournament in Russia after he absconded or his Chickens that doesn't know their ways or what to do? Nigeria, WE HAVE A MAJOR PROBLEM!
He's coming to lead the youngest team that qualified for the WC...who will clearly need leaders and experienced players.
Ok, if I was wrong before, here is the REAL proof of you saying something about Vince and leadership of the team.
And what is wrong with a player with over 100 caps becoming a leader in a team full of young players?
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... yes because I was insulted and I was responding to the person who insulted me. It is either people debate with respect to others or leave the issue alone and move on - that is how I operate.
So you agree with me then. Let us get back to the topic. We had been having a good natured debate.
I believe the debate was going well until some "educated illiterates" who had nothing to say, or couldn't clearly state their opinions chose to embark on insults
And the BIBLE says: The race is NOT for the swift, neither is the battle for the strong nor ... but time and chance makes them all.
Ecclesiastes 1:18: For in much wisdom is much grief and he that increases knowledge increases sorrow.
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... yes because I was insulted and I was responding to the person who insulted me. It is either people debate with respect to others or leave the issue alone and move on - that is how I operate.
So you agree with me then. Let us get back to the topic. We had been having a good natured debate.
I believe the debate was going well until some "educated illiterates" who had nothing to say, or couldn't clearly state their opinions chose to embark on insults
Sometimes you have to choose who to respond to. But then I'm am guilty of responding the way you have done as well.
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aruako1 wrote:
Odas wrote:
maceo4 wrote:
Odas wrote:
mystic wrote:
Odas wrote:
Obong wrote:
nzeogwu, while I support an Enyeama return when he has a run of games under his belt, I definitely do not support his being captain or vice-captain. It does not make sense to rock the leadership boat. As a former captain, it would only be natural for him to be a leader of the goalkeepers and the team in general. If veteran players like Enyeama, Martins, and Joel Obi make the World Cup team, their experience and leadership will bode well for the team both on and off the field. Right now, the relative experience of Captain Mikel, Vice Captain Onazi, Victor Moses, Echiejilie and Ahmed Musa in team leadership analysis,will only be enriched by the presence of the aforementioned players if called upon.
Chief Obong, I am confused. What do you mean by "the team in general" as highlighted in above? Will he be the Captain of the team? If not the team Captain why should Enyeama be the leader of the team "in general?"
You don't have to wear the Captain's armband to be a team leader.
... and this is an example of the disaster waiting to happen if Enyeama is back into the Super-eagles team. Who, who and who is he coming to lead? Is he coming to lead people who qualified the nation for the tournament in Russia after he absconded or his Chickens that doesn't know their ways or what to do? Nigeria, WE HAVE A MAJOR PROBLEM!
He's coming to lead the youngest team that qualified for the WC...who will clearly need leaders and experienced players.
Ok, if I was wrong before, here is the REAL proof of you saying something about Vince and leadership of the team.
And what is wrong with a player with over 100 caps becoming a leader in a team full of young players?
Sir, it seems you are missing the point of this debate. This issue is not about having 100+ caps or not - initially. It is that Enyeama ABANDONED the team and is retired.

Now you are raising another issue which wasn't what we were concerned of before - LEADER. To lead who? How can a known troublemaker lead a team? I am very certain this debate wouldn't be going on had we not qualify for Russia.
And the BIBLE says: The race is NOT for the swift, neither is the battle for the strong nor ... but time and chance makes them all.
Ecclesiastes 1:18: For in much wisdom is much grief and he that increases knowledge increases sorrow.
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maceo4 wrote:
Odas wrote:
maceo4 wrote:
Bigpokey24 wrote:On a serious note how can we help odas.. this guy really lacks simple thinking skills..... most of his posts, are filled with zero efforts applied to reason critically .I thought he made errors gathering his thoughts together, but if yall pay close attention to the bobo I can state he may actually be slow in the head . this is very serious ooo..I am very concerned about odas
I'm starting to see your point, his arguments don't even make sense, he's saying the call for Vince (notice VE hasn't said jack on the issue) shows that Vince is a troublemaker. Is this guy ok upstairs? Then asked why Emenike is not making noise and 'trouble', bro, maybe because we don't have a crisis in attack, but we have one in GK that's why the call for VE. When Carl was there no one was calling for VE. Now he's trying to argue that Vince wouldn't be a leader? Like what are those two going on about...bunch of weirdos
Oh, I see you are branching to insults which I don't take from anyone. Please from now on, stop responding to my posts on this issue, else I will respond in kind (with insults). In your post, you said it makes sense for Vince be a "LEADER", yet is denying it. The question is: Leader of what? Leader of Fools?

As to my reference to Emenike, if you have sense you would have seen he (Emenike) was used as a comparison to your SAINT - Enyeama. Again since you have chosen to insult me instead of defending what you wrote, please STAY away from my POSTS in this issue - THANKS!
What insult? Calling you a weirdo? :rotf: Ok, my bad, but you really aren't making any sense. I've never said Vince would be "THE" team leader as you are trying to claim, but he will clearly be "A" leader given he is the highest capped SE, been to 3 WC's, multiple ANC's, Confederations Cup, etc, he can help guide the other GK's and players who for most this is their first SE tournament. I thought this was common sense, but I guess not...
... and you who is making sense simply forgot what you wrote about Vince and leadership? Are you sick or you simply have "selective amnesia?" You must be an IDIIOT, obviously!

Vice to come and be the LEADER of the SE because of his age :rotf: :rotf: Total nonsense :lol: :lol: :lol: You are either drunk or is completely "useless." :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:
And the BIBLE says: The race is NOT for the swift, neither is the battle for the strong nor ... but time and chance makes them all.
Ecclesiastes 1:18: For in much wisdom is much grief and he that increases knowledge increases sorrow.
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Sir, it seems you are missing the point of this debate. This issue is not about having 100+ caps or not - initially. It is that Enyeama ABANDONED the team and is retired.

Now you are raising another issue which wasn't what we were concerned of before - LEADER. To lead who? How can a known troublemaker lead a team? I am very certain this debate wouldn't be going on had we not qualify for Russia
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You have not shown us why you think he is a troublemaker. He played for 13 years and had differences with 2 coaches, one of whom wanted him back. He retired (the same way Messi and Roger Milla did) and is being considered for a return. How did he abandon a team where he was no longer considered first choice? Given his age and experience he would be a natural leader in ANY team going to the WC. Of course we might not have had this debate if we were not going to the WC. The debate is happening because we need our best for the WC. You can leave out some of your best players at the ANC or qualifiers but you need the best for the WC.
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I think the main issue here is; is VE a trouble maker. The answer depends on who you ask. Prior to Oliseh, Vincent had a sterling SE career with over 5 plus coaches.

Oliseh came and Vincent had issues with him. One could go by their reputations prior to this incident and lean on the side of Vincent being the victim and not the perpetrator.

After this incident , SS came and VE stayed away for reasons known to him. He didn't fight with SS nor did he fight with Vogst. So my question is if evidences points to Enyeama being a non trouble maker and we are having a crisis of goalkeeper, why the agitations against his Callup if he UNretires, is performing well and healthy?
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Dammy wrote:How anyone can claim to be a SE fan and does not want one of the few world class players in our squad back beats me :???:
Your world class player who has played once this year is retired. He is NOT in the squad. HE RETIRED.
Sorry to disappoint you, but if the guy is fit and playing for his club, then he will go to the world cup.
You simply dont know me. And I have already made my position known. Since you clearly do not know, let me educate you again. if Rohr believes Enyeama should go to the world cup, I WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED! I will feel nothing. No happiness and no sadness. I will feel blank. Nigeria is the only team that I have ever supported in my life where the players or coaches are irrelevant, I support my team. The other team I have ever supported in my life, Bendel Insurance, I withdrew my support for one season when the Commissioner of Sports forced "technical adviser," Akpokona on the team, even though coach Godwin Izilien had won the first 8 games of that season.

The person who should not come near SE is Oliseh! No sentiments here.
Amen! Again you clearly dont know me. :lol: :lol: I hope oliseh never ever ever steps into the SE or any football related issue in Nigeria, ever again! We are looking forward to promotion, and then CL and then a big job like Barca, Madrid, Bayern..etc etc.. We are looking for a legacy here! Nigeria almost murdered him! God forbid! Oliseh is too smart to ever make that mistake again.

After all Messi once 'retired'.
After all, Messi once CAME BACK FROM retirement, and was the best player in the world.

The arrogant and uncouth Enyeama retired and abandoned us in our time of need. And has not COME OUT OF retirement, and is not even the best goalkeeper at Lille. :lol:
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Dammy wrote:How anyone can claim to be a SE fan and does not want one of the few world class players in our squad back beats me :???:
Your world class player who has played once this year is retired. He is NOT in the squad. HE RETIRED.
Sorry to disappoint you, but if the guy is fit and playing for his club, then he will go to the world cup. The person who should not come near SE is Oliseh! No sentiments here. After all Messi once 'retired'.

Why are you bringing Oliseh into this? Oliseh has served Nigeria with distinction.
Because he thinks it will pain me! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: And he thinks I want Oliseh to even touch Nigeria with a long barge pole. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Thats the way people argue when they are losing. :D
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Odas wrote:
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nzeogwu wrote:Well my people, I like Vince and yes, with our current team, a fit Vince with the right attitude makes the defense world class only because of what skill cannot buy, experience.

However, lets be clearly objective. This man had issues with Vogts, Sia Sia, and Oliseh. Please stp using my boy Sunny as a scape goat. He made some unpopular decisions but at the same time, Vince has issues and always has.

He can be allowed to compete but in no way can he be a captain or vice and he must earn a spot as one of the three on merit.
nzeogwu, while I support an Enyeama return when he has a run of games under his belt, I definitely do not support his being captain or vice-captain. It does not make sense to rock the leadership boat. As a former captain, it would only be natural for him to be a leader of the goalkeepers and the team in general. If veteran players like Enyeama, Martins, and Joel Obi make the World Cup team, their experience and leadership will bode well for the team both on and off the field. Right now, the relative experience of Captain Mikel, Vice Captain Onazi, Victor Moses, Echiejilie and Ahmed Musa in team leadership analysis,will only be enriched by the presence of the aforementioned players if called upon.
Chief Obong, I am confused. What do you mean by "the team in general" as highlighted in above? Will he be the Captain of the team? If not the team Captain why should Enyeama be the leader of the team "in general?"
You don't have to wear the Captain's armband to be a team leader.
... and this is an example of the disaster waiting to happen if Enyeama is back into the Super-eagles team. Who, who and who is he coming to lead? Is he coming to lead people who qualified the nation for the tournament in Russia after he absconded or his Chickens that doesn't know their ways or what to do? Nigeria, WE HAVE A MAJOR PROBLEM!

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Odas wrote:
danfo driver wrote:
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Odas wrote:
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nzeogwu wrote:Well my people, I like Vince and yes, with our current team, a fit Vince with the right attitude makes the defense world class only because of what skill cannot buy, experience.

However, lets be clearly objective. This man had issues with Vogts, Sia Sia, and Oliseh. Please stp using my boy Sunny as a scape goat. He made some unpopular decisions but at the same time, Vince has issues and always has.

He can be allowed to compete but in no way can he be a captain or vice and he must earn a spot as one of the three on merit.
nzeogwu, while I support an Enyeama return when he has a run of games under his belt, I definitely do not support his being captain or vice-captain. It does not make sense to rock the leadership boat. As a former captain, it would only be natural for him to be a leader of the goalkeepers and the team in general. If veteran players like Enyeama, Martins, and Joel Obi make the World Cup team, their experience and leadership will bode well for the team both on and off the field. Right now, the relative experience of Captain Mikel, Vice Captain Onazi, Victor Moses, Echiejilie and Ahmed Musa in team leadership analysis,will only be enriched by the presence of the aforementioned players if called upon.
Chief Obong, I am confused. What do you mean by "the team in general" as highlighted in above? Will he be the Captain of the team? If not the team Captain why should Enyeama be the leader of the team "in general?"
You don't have to wear the Captain's armband to be a team leader.
So, you guys are now fighting for "team leader?" :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Obviously so! Everyday, their intentions for wanting Vincent Enyeama (VE) are becoming more apparent :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: VE to lead "team Super-eagles" in Russia :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Kai, na wah for my pipul

Bro. It has been clear from the beginning. This has NOTHING TO DO WITH NIGERIA. This has always been a mission to help Enyeama:

1. get the record for most world cup appearances;

2. get the chance to win the world cup, because now they see we have a serious team

3. get a new club

That is the truth and they know it. They collect money from Enyeama to do his bidding and it is deplorable, to say the least.
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Sir, it seems you are missing the point of this debate. This issue is not about having 100+ caps or not - initially. It is that Enyeama ABANDONED the team and is retired.

Now you are raising another issue which wasn't what we were concerned of before - LEADER. To lead who? How can a known troublemaker lead a team? I am very certain this debate wouldn't be going on had we not qualify for Russia
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You have not shown us why you think he is a troublemaker. He played for 13 years and had differences with 2 coaches, one of whom wanted him back. He retired (the same way Messi and Roger Milla did) and is being considered for a return. How did he abandon a team where he was no longer considered first choice? Given his age and experience he would be a natural leader in ANY team going to the WC. Of course we might not have had this debate if we were not going to the WC. The debate is happening because we need our best for the WC. You can leave out some of your best players at the ANC or qualifiers but you need the best for the WC.
Sir, if a person challenges his/her boss at work - especially - openly whether right or wrong, what will you say the person is? If your employee (yes, your subordinate) openly challenges you; that is, in the presence of other employees, will you give the employee a raise or promote him/her even if he/she was marked for promotion? If yes why and if not, why not?

In addition, if the employee ABANDONED his/her job, leaving you and the department in the middle of a tedious project which the CEO of the company has clearly said the survival of the company is dependent on the success of the project and later wants his/her job back, will you give it to him/her?

The above is exactly the issue with Enyeama's situation and hence he need to stay away from the SE. He has RETIRED! Messi and several others you mentioned retired in peace and NOT in the middle of qualifiers like Enyeama did to us
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None of these "Vince should not be recalled" arguments actually make any sense when you examine them objectively:

1. "He is too old" - selection should be based on performance. We only need him to perform well for a few weeks in summer of 2018 - no one is asking him to keep for another 10 years. Besides many great goalies have given great WC performances at his age or older.

2. "He is a troublemaker and will disrupt team spirit" - based on what conclusive evidence? Someone who played for Nigeria 100+ times - how many of these times was he known to us as a trouble maker? In fact he always seemed to be a calm, steady force in the team. Again many great players in the history of football (and of the Super Eagles) have fallen out with one particular coach and later returned to serve the nation well. Why not Enyeama?

3. "He retired so he should stay retired" - If Messi and dozens of others can retire and un-retire then so can anyone else.

4. "He is not fit" - it is obvious that any player selected must meet certain levels of fitness - it is matter of who is fit come May/June - some players who are fit now may be injured by then and those (like Vince) who are regaining fitness may be in top fitness - you never know so this should be down to the coaches to assess come the time

5. "The team is young" - all the more reason to balance it with experience. WC is no joke - young players can go there and "choke" - let's not forget the Sanni Kaita's of the world. Enyeama will not choke in the heat of the moment, he has played with the best at the highest level. This is the same confidence that Mikel brings to the team. I wouldn't select Enyeama *only* for experience, but if he makes it based on being the best option (or best 3) at the time then his experience is definitely a plus, even in the 23 if not the starting 11.

Anyone wishing Naija well should be wishing that our best 23 in form players come June go to represent us in Russia next year - anything else is questionable.
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Odas wrote:
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Bigpokey24 wrote:On a serious note how can we help odas.. this guy really lacks simple thinking skills..... most of his posts, are filled with zero efforts applied to reason critically .I thought he made errors gathering his thoughts together, but if yall pay close attention to the bobo I can state he may actually be slow in the head . this is very serious ooo..I am very concerned about odas
I'm starting to see your point, his arguments don't even make sense, he's saying the call for Vince (notice VE hasn't said jack on the issue) shows that Vince is a troublemaker. Is this guy ok upstairs? Then asked why Emenike is not making noise and 'trouble', bro, maybe because we don't have a crisis in attack, but we have one in GK that's why the call for VE. When Carl was there no one was calling for VE. Now he's trying to argue that Vince wouldn't be a leader? Like what are those two going on about...bunch of weirdos
Oh, I see you are branching to insults which I don't take from anyone. Please from now on, stop responding to my posts on this issue, else I will respond in kind (with insults). In your post, you said it makes sense for Vince be a "LEADER", yet is denying it. The question is: Leader of what? Leader of Fools?

As to my reference to Emenike, if you have sense you would have seen he (Emenike) was used as a comparison to your SAINT - Enyeama. Again since you have chosen to insult me instead of defending what you wrote, please STAY away from my POSTS in this issue - THANKS!
What insult? Calling you a weirdo? :rotf: Ok, my bad, but you really aren't making any sense. I've never said Vince would be "THE" team leader as you are trying to claim, but he will clearly be "A" leader given he is the highest capped SE, been to 3 WC's, multiple ANC's, Confederations Cup, etc, he can help guide the other GK's and players who for most this is their first SE tournament. I thought this was common sense, but I guess not...
... and you who is making sense simply forgot what you wrote about Vince and leadership? Are you sick or you simply have "selective amnesia?" You must be an IDIIOT, obviously!

Vice to come and be the LEADER of the SE because of his age :rotf: :rotf: Total nonsense :lol: :lol: :lol: You are either drunk or is completely "useless." :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:
Ummm, was this not your question?
Odas wrote:Who, who and who is he coming to lead?
And my answer:
maceo4 wrote:He's coming to lead the youngest team that qualified for the WC...who will clearly need leaders and experienced players.
Again, I'm just wondering if everything is ok on your side... :???:
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