No W African Team Has Won CHAN game
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No W African Team Has Won CHAN game
Our good brother Gotti disagrees but clearly this a reflection of the pitiful state of the local leagues in the region.
As it stands only countries with teams who participated in the later rounds of the Champs and Confed tourneys are doing well.
Hopefully Nigeria can do well against Libya tomorrow
As it stands only countries with teams who participated in the later rounds of the Champs and Confed tourneys are doing well.
Hopefully Nigeria can do well against Libya tomorrow
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Thats one way of looking at it.YUJAM wrote:Our good brother Gotti disagrees but clearly this a reflection of the pitiful state of the local leagues in the region.
As it stands only countries with teams who participated in the later rounds of the Champs and Confed tourneys are doing well.
Hopefully Nigeria can do well against Libya tomorrow
It might not be 100% accurate but it is accurate in assuming that CHAN results also exposes the under-developed state of local leagues.
Another way of looking at it (which you completely neglected) is that talented players in local leagues in West Africa are snapped up quickly by foreign clubs at a faster rate than professionals in other regional african leagues. I know in Nigeria this is a big problem for our local leagues since our clubs are quick to cash in on talent, rather than pay and develop these players for local competitions.
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The Nigerian league, has been on holiday sinc elast year.YUJAM wrote:Our good brother Gotti disagrees but clearly this a reflection of the pitiful state of the local leagues in the region.
As it stands only countries with teams who participated in the later rounds of the Champs and Confed tourneys are doing well.
Hopefully Nigeria can do well against Libya tomorrow
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charlie wrote:Thats one way of looking at it.YUJAM wrote:Our good brother Gotti disagrees but clearly this a reflection of the pitiful state of the local leagues in the region.
As it stands only countries with teams who participated in the later rounds of the Champs and Confed tourneys are doing well.
Hopefully Nigeria can do well against Libya tomorrow
It might not be 100% accurate but it is accurate in assuming that CHAN results also exposes the under-developed state of local leagues.
Another way of looking at it (which you completely neglected) is that talented players in local leagues in West Africa are snapped up quickly by foreign clubs at a faster rate than professionals in other regional african leagues. I know in Nigeria this is a big problem for our local leagues since our clubs are quick to cash in on talent, rather than pay and develop these players for local competitions.
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Yes but Nigeria has essentially benefited in no way from exporting football talents (well unless we argue that the NT has benefited). The clubs and academies that make those sales, get peanuts, poor deals are negotiated and the money is not reinvested in a sustainable manner! Yes there is an exodus, but it should not mean that the leagues are stagnant! We don't have clubs, academies or even regulation with the stability that we historically saw in ASEC Mimosas for example.charlie wrote:Thats one way of looking at it.YUJAM wrote:Our good brother Gotti disagrees but clearly this a reflection of the pitiful state of the local leagues in the region.
As it stands only countries with teams who participated in the later rounds of the Champs and Confed tourneys are doing well.
Hopefully Nigeria can do well against Libya tomorrow
It might not be 100% accurate but it is accurate in assuming that CHAN results also exposes the under-developed state of local leagues.
Another way of looking at it (which you completely neglected) is that talented players in local leagues in West Africa are snapped up quickly by foreign clubs at a faster rate than professionals in other regional african leagues. I know in Nigeria this is a big problem for our local leagues since our clubs are quick to cash in on talent, rather than pay and develop these players for local competitions.
I do think the league in Nigeria is getting better though, although this may not be reflected in the results. Perhaps this is a case of waiting to see what the chickens hatch. We might be due for improved performances in a few years.
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Most of our best players are not playing in the local league.
The turnover from season to season is massive.
As I type, just read about Edewo moving to a North African side.
The turnover from season to season is massive.
As I type, just read about Edewo moving to a North African side.
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Don't you think there is a correlation between not having a good local league and players taking off to all sorts of obscure locations ? Why do Tunisian and Egyptian players stay in their leagues?
charlie wrote:Thats one way of looking at it.YUJAM wrote:Our good brother Gotti disagrees but clearly this a reflection of the pitiful state of the local leagues in the region.
As it stands only countries with teams who participated in the later rounds of the Champs and Confed tourneys are doing well.
Hopefully Nigeria can do well against Libya tomorrow
It might not be 100% accurate but it is accurate in assuming that CHAN results also exposes the under-developed state of local leagues.
Another way of looking at it (which you completely neglected) is that talented players in local leagues in West Africa are snapped up quickly by foreign clubs at a faster rate than professionals in other regional african leagues. I know in Nigeria this is a big problem for our local leagues since our clubs are quick to cash in on talent, rather than pay and develop these players for local competitions.
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Has anyone of you ever given it a thought that multiple underlying factors including that English speaking players are more likely to have a worldly uninhibited outlook and willingness to explore opportunities outside of their immediate cultural entities than players born and bred in theocracies.YUJAM wrote:Don't you think there is a correlation between not having a good local league and players taking off to all sorts of obscure locations ? Why do Tunisian and Egyptian players stay in their leagues?
charlie wrote:Thats one way of looking at it.YUJAM wrote:Our good brother Gotti disagrees but clearly this a reflection of the pitiful state of the local leagues in the region.
As it stands only countries with teams who participated in the later rounds of the Champs and Confed tourneys are doing well.
Hopefully Nigeria can do well against Libya tomorrow
It might not be 100% accurate but it is accurate in assuming that CHAN results also exposes the under-developed state of local leagues.
Another way of looking at it (which you completely neglected) is that talented players in local leagues in West Africa are snapped up quickly by foreign clubs at a faster rate than professionals in other regional african leagues. I know in Nigeria this is a big problem for our local leagues since our clubs are quick to cash in on talent, rather than pay and develop these players for local competitions.
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YUJAM wrote:Don't you think there is a correlation between not having a good local league and players taking off to all sorts of obscure locations ? Why do Tunisian and Egyptian players stay in their leagues?
charlie wrote:Thats one way of looking at it.YUJAM wrote:Our good brother Gotti disagrees but clearly this a reflection of the pitiful state of the local leagues in the region.
As it stands only countries with teams who participated in the later rounds of the Champs and Confed tourneys are doing well.
Hopefully Nigeria can do well against Libya tomorrow
It might not be 100% accurate but it is accurate in assuming that CHAN results also exposes the under-developed state of local leagues.
Another way of looking at it (which you completely neglected) is that talented players in local leagues in West Africa are snapped up quickly by foreign clubs at a faster rate than professionals in other regional african leagues. I know in Nigeria this is a big problem for our local leagues since our clubs are quick to cash in on talent, rather than pay and develop these players for local competitions.
Fair point. There is no arguing with the fact that countries like Nigeria are caught in a vicious cycle whereby we cant keep our talent because of the poor state of the local league, and we cannot improve the local league without keeping our talent.
We will figure it out eventually, and it will happen when some smart millionaire(s) realizes that a mass market diamond mine of almost 200million football lovers is waiting, yet to be exploited.
Till then, CHAN might remain out of reach.
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BTW I do think Nigeria can edge Libya tomorrow. Also watched CIV play Zambia tomorrow. The Ivorians actually played well but the Zambian team of which six or seven play in their full NT were a class above in their smarts and positional play. This is possibly a function of them playing for Zesco and Zanaco who played well in the club tourneys
charlie wrote:YUJAM wrote:Don't you think there is a correlation between not having a good local league and players taking off to all sorts of obscure locations ? Why do Tunisian and Egyptian players stay in their leagues?
charlie wrote:Thats one way of looking at it.YUJAM wrote:Our good brother Gotti disagrees but clearly this a reflection of the pitiful state of the local leagues in the region.
As it stands only countries with teams who participated in the later rounds of the Champs and Confed tourneys are doing well.
Hopefully Nigeria can do well against Libya tomorrow
It might not be 100% accurate but it is accurate in assuming that CHAN results also exposes the under-developed state of local leagues.
Another way of looking at it (which you completely neglected) is that talented players in local leagues in West Africa are snapped up quickly by foreign clubs at a faster rate than professionals in other regional african leagues. I know in Nigeria this is a big problem for our local leagues since our clubs are quick to cash in on talent, rather than pay and develop these players for local competitions.
Fair point. There is no arguing with the fact that countries like Nigeria are caught in a vicious cycle whereby we cant keep our talent because of the poor state of the local league, and we cannot improve the local league without keeping our talent.
We will figure it out eventually, and it will happen when some smart millionaire(s) realizes that a mass market diamond mine of almost 200million football lovers is waiting, yet to be exploited.
Till then, CHAN might remain out of reach.
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Reason being west Africa has the highest rate of export players away from home country. All the teams doing well are because the team are 75% of what the main team looks like.
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You are saying the same thing. You said the leagues are weak and he said because the talents leave early.YUJAM wrote:Don't you think there is a correlation between not having a good local league and players taking off to all sorts of obscure locations ? Why do Tunisian and Egyptian players stay in their leagues?
charlie wrote:Thats one way of looking at it.YUJAM wrote:Our good brother Gotti disagrees but clearly this a reflection of the pitiful state of the local leagues in the region.
As it stands only countries with teams who participated in the later rounds of the Champs and Confed tourneys are doing well.
Hopefully Nigeria can do well against Libya tomorrow
It might not be 100% accurate but it is accurate in assuming that CHAN results also exposes the under-developed state of local leagues.
Another way of looking at it (which you completely neglected) is that talented players in local leagues in West Africa are snapped up quickly by foreign clubs at a faster rate than professionals in other regional african leagues. I know in Nigeria this is a big problem for our local leagues since our clubs are quick to cash in on talent, rather than pay and develop these players for local competitions.
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camex wrote:You are saying the same thing. You said the leagues are weak and he said because the talents leave early.YUJAM wrote:Don't you think there is a correlation between not having a good local league and players taking off to all sorts of obscure locations ? Why do Tunisian and Egyptian players stay in their leagues?
charlie wrote:Thats one way of looking at it.YUJAM wrote:Our good brother Gotti disagrees but clearly this a reflection of the pitiful state of the local leagues in the region.
As it stands only countries with teams who participated in the later rounds of the Champs and Confed tourneys are doing well.
Hopefully Nigeria can do well against Libya tomorrow
It might not be 100% accurate but it is accurate in assuming that CHAN results also exposes the under-developed state of local leagues.
Another way of looking at it (which you completely neglected) is that talented players in local leagues in West Africa are snapped up quickly by foreign clubs at a faster rate than professionals in other regional african leagues. I know in Nigeria this is a big problem for our local leagues since our clubs are quick to cash in on talent, rather than pay and develop these players for local competitions.
Many possible reasons. There are others apart from the one already mentioned.
Maybe the West African countries don't just care.
Maybe performance is due to the timing/scheduling. This is off season for Nigerian players. So likely they are not in top condition
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Tbite,Tbite wrote:Yes but Nigeria has essentially benefited in no way from exporting football talents (well unless we argue that the NT has benefited). The clubs and academies that make those sales, get peanuts, poor deals are negotiated and the money is not reinvested in a sustainable manner! Yes there is an exodus, but it should not mean that the leagues are stagnant! We don't have clubs, academies or even regulation with the stability that we historically saw in ASEC Mimosas for example.charlie wrote:Thats one way of looking at it.YUJAM wrote:Our good brother Gotti disagrees but clearly this a reflection of the pitiful state of the local leagues in the region.
As it stands only countries with teams who participated in the later rounds of the Champs and Confed tourneys are doing well.
Hopefully Nigeria can do well against Libya tomorrow
It might not be 100% accurate but it is accurate in assuming that CHAN results also exposes the under-developed state of local leagues.
Another way of looking at it (which you completely neglected) is that talented players in local leagues in West Africa are snapped up quickly by foreign clubs at a faster rate than professionals in other regional african leagues. I know in Nigeria this is a big problem for our local leagues since our clubs are quick to cash in on talent, rather than pay and develop these players for local competitions.
I do think the league in Nigeria is getting better though, although this may not be reflected in the results. Perhaps this is a case of waiting to see what the chickens hatch. We might be due for improved performances in a few years.
First let me be upfront in stating that I always like to read your take on several of these issues as they are reasoned. Your post here is no different.
I also believe the league is improving in various ways including possible reduction in match-fixing, better promotion and media coverage, and in a few other areas. However, I think our performance at the continental stage may take a while to reach its previous levels because of a few factors. One is the frequent movement of players not so much to foreign leagues but from one domestic club to the other. This disrupts team chemistry when it is crucial -- at the beginning of the season -- which coincides with participation in the continental competitions. This lack of stability is a big issue particularly when Nigerian teams are scheduled to play against teams that are not only from traditionally strong countries but teams that have stabilized team chemistry.
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Bros Yujam, is the strength of the EPL reflected in the fortunes of England? Think about that...YUJAM wrote:Our good brother Gotti disagrees but clearly this a reflection of the pitiful state of the local leagues in the region.
As it stands only countries with teams who participated in the later rounds of the Champs and Confed tourneys are doing well.
Hopefully Nigeria can do well against Libya tomorrow
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Abegi tell Yujam...Bigpokey24 wrote:The Nigerian league, has been on holiday sinc elast year.YUJAM wrote:Our good brother Gotti disagrees but clearly this a reflection of the pitiful state of the local leagues in the region.
As it stands only countries with teams who participated in the later rounds of the Champs and Confed tourneys are doing well.
Hopefully Nigeria can do well against Libya tomorrow
The Nigerian league ended in Sept 2017.
Meanwhile, South Africa with a team “who participated in the latter rounds of the Champs and Confed tourneys” is nowhere to be found. In fact, several West African nations (Nigeria, Ghana, Mali and Senegal) each have a better lifetime CHAN record than South Africa despite its relatively strong and well-organized local league (even Guinea has a better CHAN record than SA), as well as Algeria which similarly has a strong local league and routinely has clubs in the latter rounds of CAF competitions.
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South Africa has historically not taken CHAN seriously.Gotti wrote:Abegi tell Yujam...Bigpokey24 wrote:The Nigerian league, has been on holiday sinc elast year.YUJAM wrote:Our good brother Gotti disagrees but clearly this a reflection of the pitiful state of the local leagues in the region.
As it stands only countries with teams who participated in the later rounds of the Champs and Confed tourneys are doing well.
Hopefully Nigeria can do well against Libya tomorrow
The Nigerian league ended in Sept 2017.
Meanwhile, South Africa with a team “who participated in the latter rounds of the Champs and Confed tourneys” is nowhere to be found. In fact, several West African nations (Nigeria, Ghana, Mali and Senegal) each have a better lifetime CHAN record than South Africa despite its relatively strong and well-organized local league (even Guinea has a better CHAN record than SA), as well as Algeria which similarly has a strong local league and routinely has clubs in the latter rounds of CAF competitions.
I believe the strongest team they sent to CHAN was when they hosted it.
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Unlike West African countries?!Kabalega wrote:South Africa has historically not taken CHAN seriously.
I believe the strongest team they sent to CHAN was when they hosted it.
Nigeria never even bothered to appoint national team coaches for the CHAN qualifiers (one recalls when the likes of Felix Emordi were drafted from his club to coach the CHAN team). But nonetheless thanks for sharing the inside information that you apparently received from the South African federation. What did the Algerians tell you?
Meanwhile, Zambia that has "historically" taken the CHAN seriously has not fared better than Nigeria (one bronze) and worse than Ghana in the competition. SMDH
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