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 Post subject: Re: Enyeama nko?
PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:35 pm 
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maceo4 wrote:
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If coach exclude Enyeama then he's confident that Ezenwa is good enough. Regardless I'll support super Eagles.
We have no choice.
But I know the feeling I will get in my stomach if we lose crucial games due to basic goalkeeping errors.

What makes you so confident Enyeama would be nearly as infallible as you imagine he will be?


See this is the type of questions I hate. They do nothing to further the real discussion as it’s super clear that a fit Vince would be better than the other options based on what we currently have. If you want to make the argument that he retired from the NT or he has been injured etc then fine, but form is temporary and class is permanent and we KNOW his class, why question it? That’s when it starts sounding like there are ulterior motives.

Whether he goes or not I’m just in favor of taking the best hands, but I trust Rohrs judgment in the matter. But questioning his class is just disrespectful to a seasoned professional who has proven his class over time. It’s like Messi recovering from injury after reversing his retirement no one would question giving him a chance simply because he’s made mistakes in the past missed PKs and hasn’t won them anything. They know his class and the gulf between him and the other options.


But I think his question is legitimate. What makes you think a fit Vince will be infallible. You haven't seen Enyeama play in more than a year! You are basing your analysis on what you saw more than ONE YEAR AGO! Do you know what injury and time out and old age does to a player?

And the statement -- 'Form is temporary and class is permanent" is a nonsensical cliche! We all know Petr Cech, his history. How is his "permanent class" treating him these days?

And Enyeama is NOT on the level of Messi. Not even close to being on the level of Messi's left butt-cheek!


It is an irrelevant question because its not about whether he is infallible as he is a human being and CAN make mistakes so such a question is rather pointless. The real question should be is he our best option at GK and given his pedigree and experience, it would be an obvious yes.

Also I like how everybody is ignoring his recent cup game start where he saved a PK and acting like he hasn't played in over a year. The World Cup is not tomorrow, its months away and he's already started getting games and could possible get more going forward. I trust Rohr to do what is best for the team and will support the team whatever decision he makes, but I just hate these kind of irrelevant questions.

As far as the gulf between Enyeama and the other GK's available, it is like that of Messi compared to his replacements in the Argentine team - that's my opinion which I'm sure you'll disagree with.

PS: As far as your previous 'trouble maker' tag, we have now seen (again I might add) Oliseh's man management or lack thereof at play as it has now reared its ugly head. But hey, you've suddenly stayed away from any such threads, guess ignorance is bliss...



But how can that answer be an "obvious yes," when you have not seen him play in more than ONE YEAR?

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 Post subject: Re: Enyeama nko?
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The crux here isn't so much due to the fact that Enyeama deserves to be in the WC list based on his admirable resume for the NT, or that he has regressed in form or not. It's just the rigidity of weak arguments/justifications that are been proffered as the basis of why he HAS TO be in the team... they are very much aware Enyeama hasn't played a single game for his club all season(I stand to be corrected) , posting videos of him training isn't enough, cause that is routine with any athlete looking to stay in good form. The question is, based on current form for his club at least, if Enyeama isn't a regular starter at Anger... Why the heck should he be selected ahead of the younger GKs seeing more playing time? it's the same annoying logic we see here when people suggest Echejile(who probably hasn't even kicked a ball for a second division club) to make the list ahead of upcoming young bloods looking to shine.


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The crux here isn't so much due to the fact that Enyeama deserves to be in the WC list based on his admirable resume for the NT, or that he has regressed in form or not. It's just the rigidity of weak arguments/justifications that are been proffered as the basis of why he HAS TO be in the team... they are very much aware Enyeama hasn't played a single game for his club all season(I stand to be corrected) , posting videos of him training isn't enough, cause that is routine with any athlete looking to stay in good form. The question is, based on current form for his club at least, if Enyeama isn't a regular starter at Anger... Why the heck should he be selected ahead of the younger GKs seeing more playing time? it's the same annoying logic we see here when people suggest Echejile(who probably hasn't even kicked a ball for a second division club) to make the list ahead of upcoming young bloods looking to shine.


He has played a game and saved a PK, but I'm not of the view that he 'HAS TO' be on the team. Nobody, has to be on the team, but my issue is with the crowd that says HE CANNOT/SHOULD NOT EVER EVER EVER be on the team. There is more of that sentiment than the opposite view, and to me that's ridiculous. I don't see anything wrong in Rohr giving him a look in, but its his call and I will support the team either way.

That said, Rohr repeated ad nauseam the stipulations for his return and so far Vince hasn't met them, so I wouldn't be surprised if he is not called.

Can't believe you guys dragged me into this Vince talk again, its so pointless...

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 Post subject: Re: Enyeama nko?
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Tobi17 wrote:
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If coach exclude Enyeama then he's confident that Ezenwa is good enough. Regardless I'll support super Eagles.
We have no choice.
But I know the feeling I will get in my stomach if we lose crucial games due to basic goalkeeping errors.

What makes you so confident Enyeama would be nearly as infallible as you imagine he will be?
He is not infallible and no-one is making that ridiculous argument.
That is you straw-manning.

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 Post subject: Re: Enyeama nko?
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The crux here isn't so much due to the fact that Enyeama deserves to be in the WC list based on his admirable resume for the NT, or that he has regressed in form or not. It's just the rigidity of weak arguments/justifications that are been proffered as the basis of why he HAS TO be in the team... they are very much aware Enyeama hasn't played a single game for his club all season(I stand to be corrected) , posting videos of him training isn't enough, cause that is routine with any athlete looking to stay in good form. The question is, based on current form for his club at least, if Enyeama isn't a regular starter at Anger... Why the heck should he be selected ahead of the younger GKs seeing more playing time? it's the same annoying logic we see here when people suggest Echejile(who probably hasn't even kicked a ball for a second division club) to make the list ahead of upcoming young bloods looking to shine.


He has played a game and saved a PK, but I'm not of the view that he 'HAS TO' be on the team. Nobody, has to be on the team, but my issue is with the crowd that says HE CANNOT/SHOULD NOT EVER EVER EVER be on the team. There is more of that sentiment than the opposite view, and to me that's ridiculous. I don't see anything wrong in Rohr giving him a look in, but its his call and I will support the team either way.

That said, Rohr repeated ad nauseam the stipulations for his return and so far Vince hasn't met them, so I wouldn't be surprised if he is not called.

Can't believe you guys dragged me into this Vince talk again, its so pointless...

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 Post subject: Re: Enyeama nko?
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The crux here isn't so much due to the fact that Enyeama deserves to be in the WC list based on his admirable resume for the NT, or that he has regressed in form or not. It's just the rigidity of weak arguments/justifications that are been proffered as the basis of why he HAS TO be in the team... they are very much aware Enyeama hasn't played a single game for his club all season(I stand to be corrected) , posting videos of him training isn't enough, cause that is routine with any athlete looking to stay in good form. The question is, based on current form for his club at least, if Enyeama isn't a regular starter at Anger... Why the heck should he be selected ahead of the younger GKs seeing more playing time? it's the same annoying logic we see here when people suggest Echejile(who probably hasn't even kicked a ball for a second division club) to make the list ahead of upcoming young bloods looking to shine.


He has played a game and saved a PK, but I'm not of the view that he 'HAS TO' be on the team. Nobody, has to be on the team, but my issue is with the crowd that says HE CANNOT/SHOULD NOT EVER EVER EVER be on the team. There is more of that sentiment than the opposite view, and to me that's ridiculous. I don't see anything wrong in Rohr giving him a look in, but its his call and I will support the team either way.

That said, Rohr repeated ad nauseam the stipulations for his return and so far Vince hasn't met them, so I wouldn't be surprised if he is not called.

Can't believe you guys dragged me into this Vince talk again, its so pointless...

Agent Mace I dey hail o :taunt:


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 Post subject: Re: Enyeama nko?
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Time to consider Ejide. Yep never dreamt I'd say that but he is in good form with the best experience and attributes for the job.

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 Post subject: Re: Enyeama nko?
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What kinda action is Ezenwa getting when he's never played in Europe? Don't we have to quantify the quality of the action as well? Cos some goalie is doing well for shooting stars Ibadan doesn't mean they're mentally ready to face Messi, Arguero the whole crew...lol.

Enyeama on the other hand have got close to 3 world cup and 5 to 6 ANC actions under his best, he's played in Europe and won awards... That experience gatto count for something.

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