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From what I have seen. I don't think Osimhen is ready. But should still get a camp invite for experience.


I think Ighalo and Iheanacho have secured their place on the plane to Russia.

Ideye Brown, Sadiq Umar and Awoniyi are making a last minute challenge.
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pajimoh wrote:Slowly but surely we are moving from goalkeeping to defense to midfield to attack problems. Basically there's problem in the SE. I suggest we should just forget Russia and stay at home. All I read is problem here, there and everywhere.
Soon there will be problem with Rohr, his team and the NFF.

For goodness sake, lets just enjoy the wc without all these negativity
Its not negativity. Its a forum and we talk about football, the team etc. If we notice perceived weaknesses, we highlight it and hope the coach has noticed this too and deals with those areas, making us, the fans, go into the WC with confidence and not praying that sango makes the opponents' goal keeper see a lion instead of the ball.
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chief nfachairman wrote:
pajimoh wrote:Slowly but surely we are moving from goalkeeping to defense to midfield to attack problems. Basically there's problem in the SE. I suggest we should just forget Russia and stay at home. All I read is problem here, there and everywhere.
Soon there will be problem with Rohr, his team and the NFF.

For goodness sake, lets just enjoy the wc without all these negativity
Its not negativity. Its a forum and we talk about football, the team etc. If we notice perceived weaknesses, we highlight it and hope the coach has noticed this too and deals with those areas making us, the fans go into the WC with confidence and not praying that sango makes the opponents' goal keeper sees a lion instead of the ball.
Chief while it's a forum, we should also remember what we have is what we have. We can't wish for a Messi or Ronaldo if we don't have them. We should be looking at the best way to utilize what we have, focus on our strengths rather than highlighting problems after problems. I'm beginning to think there's nothing good in our team.
I don't expect us to bury our heads in the sand and pretend we have the best squad possible but concentrating how we could setup to maximize our strength and better protect our vulnerable points would serve us better than .....
It's so easy to see what is wrong, difficult to offer solutions.... :tic:
Not taking a swipe at you my elder, but I don't want to lose enthusiasm in this wc before it starts with all the problems we apparently have from goalkeeper to striker. I don't think we'll have the worst squad at the wc and I'm sure even the lowest rank nation would be optimistic and hopeful
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pajimoh wrote:
chief nfachairman wrote:
pajimoh wrote:Slowly but surely we are moving from goalkeeping to defense to midfield to attack problems. Basically there's problem in the SE. I suggest we should just forget Russia and stay at home. All I read is problem here, there and everywhere.
Soon there will be problem with Rohr, his team and the NFF.

For goodness sake, lets just enjoy the wc without all these negativity
Its not negativity. Its a forum and we talk about football, the team etc. If we notice perceived weaknesses, we highlight it and hope the coach has noticed this too and deals with those areas making us, the fans go into the WC with confidence and not praying that sango makes the opponents' goal keeper sees a lion instead of the ball.
Chief while it's a forum, we should also remember what we have is what we have. We can't wish for a Messi or Ronaldo if we don't have them. We should be looking at the best way to utilize what we have, focus on our strengths rather than highlighting problems after problems. I'm beginning to think there's nothing good in our team.
I don't expect us to bury our heads in the sand and pretend we have the best squad possible but concentrating how we could setup to maximize our strength and better protect our vulnerable points would serve us better than .....
It's so easy to see what is wrong, difficult to offer solutions.... :tic:
Not taking a swipe at you my elder, but I don't want to lose enthusiasm in this wc before it starts with all the problems we apparently have from goalkeeper to striker. I don't think we'll have the worst squad at the wc and I'm sure even the lowest rank nation would be optimistic and hopeful

Most teams have weaknesses that they wouldn't want to be exposed, and we are no different. Our only real headache going into the World Cup is at goalkeeper. If we can figure that one out, then we have a pretty good team.
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pajimoh wrote:
chief nfachairman wrote:
pajimoh wrote:Slowly but surely we are moving from goalkeeping to defense to midfield to attack problems. Basically there's problem in the SE. I suggest we should just forget Russia and stay at home. All I read is problem here, there and everywhere.
Soon there will be problem with Rohr, his team and the NFF.

For goodness sake, lets just enjoy the wc without all these negativity
Its not negativity. Its a forum and we talk about football, the team etc. If we notice perceived weaknesses, we highlight it and hope the coach has noticed this too and deals with those areas making us, the fans go into the WC with confidence and not praying that sango makes the opponents' goal keeper sees a lion instead of the ball.
Chief while it's a forum, we should also remember what we have is what we have. We can't wish for a Messi or Ronaldo if we don't have them. We should be looking at the best way to utilize what we have, focus on our strengths rather than highlighting problems after problems. I'm beginning to think there's nothing good in our team.
I don't expect us to bury our heads in the sand and pretend we have the best squad possible but concentrating how we could setup to maximize our strength and better protect our vulnerable points would serve us better than .....
It's so easy to see what is wrong, difficult to offer solutions.... :tic:
Not taking a swipe at you my elder, but I don't want to lose enthusiasm in this wc before it starts with all the problems we apparently have from goalkeeper to striker. I don't think we'll have the worst squad at the wc and I'm sure even the lowest rank nation would be optimistic and hopeful
Absolutely right and I agree with everything you say.
As a natural optimist I hope (and work) for the best but am prepared for the worst, hence my 'what if' thread some weeks ago.
But people will always be nervous and the only way fans can release that nervous energy is to voice what they see as problems and then offer suggestions. This is why many of us keep banging on about Enyeama which unfortunately some can only see as a commercially-driven concern.
But its all good.... :thumb:
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Damunk wrote:
pajimoh wrote:
chief nfachairman wrote:
pajimoh wrote:Slowly but surely we are moving from goalkeeping to defense to midfield to attack problems. Basically there's problem in the SE. I suggest we should just forget Russia and stay at home. All I read is problem here, there and everywhere.
Soon there will be problem with Rohr, his team and the NFF.

For goodness sake, lets just enjoy the wc without all these negativity
Its not negativity. Its a forum and we talk about football, the team etc. If we notice perceived weaknesses, we highlight it and hope the coach has noticed this too and deals with those areas making us, the fans go into the WC with confidence and not praying that sango makes the opponents' goal keeper sees a lion instead of the ball.
Chief while it's a forum, we should also remember what we have is what we have. We can't wish for a Messi or Ronaldo if we don't have them. We should be looking at the best way to utilize what we have, focus on our strengths rather than highlighting problems after problems. I'm beginning to think there's nothing good in our team.
I don't expect us to bury our heads in the sand and pretend we have the best squad possible but concentrating how we could setup to maximize our strength and better protect our vulnerable points would serve us better than .....
It's so easy to see what is wrong, difficult to offer solutions.... :tic:
Not taking a swipe at you my elder, but I don't want to lose enthusiasm in this wc before it starts with all the problems we apparently have from goalkeeper to striker. I don't think we'll have the worst squad at the wc and I'm sure even the lowest rank nation would be optimistic and hopeful
Absolutely right and I agree with everything you say.
As a natural optimist I hope (and work) for the best but am prepared for the worst, hence my 'what if' thread some weeks ago.
But people will always be nervous and the only way fans can release that nervous energy is to voice what they see as problems and then offer suggestions. This is why many of us keep banging on about Enyeama which unfortunately some can only see as a commercially-driven concern.
But its all good.... :thumb:
Bro, it's human to be anxious. Yet we must exercise self control and look at solutions not always highlighting potential pitfalls. Every person in this world can tell you what is bad but not many can actually do something about it.
Best teams have fallen while not so good teams excel. We can have Enyeama and not make round 2 and we could progress without him.
The spirit of the team is important. The willingness to fight for each other and cover their deficiencies with good tactics.

It just seem like idleness and time creates fear. Not so long ago we were in a tough group. Not so long ago we topped that group with a game or two to spare. Not so long ago we played Argentina and overcame them from 2 goals deficit.
Rather than build on the positives, I'm beginning to think we qualified on goal difference and hot slaughtered by Argentina.
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pajimoh wrote:
chief nfachairman wrote:
pajimoh wrote:Slowly but surely we are moving from goalkeeping to defense to midfield to attack problems. Basically there's problem in the SE. I suggest we should just forget Russia and stay at home. All I read is problem here, there and everywhere.
Soon there will be problem with Rohr, his team and the NFF.

For goodness sake, lets just enjoy the wc without all these negativity
Its not negativity. Its a forum and we talk about football, the team etc. If we notice perceived weaknesses, we highlight it and hope the coach has noticed this too and deals with those areas making us, the fans go into the WC with confidence and not praying that sango makes the opponents' goal keeper sees a lion instead of the ball.
Chief while it's a forum, we should also remember what we have is what we have. We can't wish for a Messi or Ronaldo if we don't have them. We should be looking at the best way to utilize what we have, focus on our strengths rather than highlighting problems after problems. I'm beginning to think there's nothing good in our team.
I don't expect us to bury our heads in the sand and pretend we have the best squad possible but concentrating how we could setup to maximize our strength and better protect our vulnerable points would serve us better than .....
It's so easy to see what is wrong, difficult to offer solutions.... :tic:
Not taking a swipe at you my elder, but I don't want to lose enthusiasm in this wc before it starts with all the problems we apparently have from goalkeeper to striker. I don't think we'll have the worst squad at the wc and I'm sure even the lowest rank nation would be optimistic and hopeful
Bro,
As much as I highlight our weak areas, i also hoped that our players would pick up (kindly read it again). Though i feel Ighalo is not good enough and would rather go with Players that move to higher leagues from China rather than an Ighalo that has chosen to find the easy way out in a very poor league.
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Having the top strikers in the world is not a recipe for success, case in point—Brazil ’ 82!

Based on the current crop of strikers in the SE, we can still do a lot of damage! The only area lacking is probably the GK but I believe Uzoho may very well be up to the task. Enyeama should be allowed to personally work with him and the other goalkeepers.

That aside, our success at the 2018 WC will boil down to three things: Psychological preparation, technique and strategy.


PSYCHOLOGICAL PREP

With a team psychologist and a team-play mentality that approaches the tournament as one game at a time, where our goal is to win each match. You have 8 matches to win. Forget about the trophy itself and all the noise and pressure, and simply do everything possible to beat the other team because you play better as a team. Mikel as the captain does a great job of marshaling his troops, but he must take it a couple of notches up – kind of what Amokachi, “the bull” did at the Olympics against Brazil and Argentina. We must not lose composure even when we are two goals down – instead we must rally around to score one goal at a time. Another important factor that we lack considerably – holding on to leads especially in the late stages and conceding at set plays.


TECHNIQUE

There is a reason why not one or two players were responsible for Germany's 7 goals against Brazil at WC '14. I’m not a coach but I’ve played the game and studied the game well enough over the last 8 world cups to understand that there are some ingredients that are vital to a team’s success at the WC. Defending well against set plays, having one or two excellent headers, at least one excellent free-kick taker, two good corner kick takers, effective counter offense style of play (which we have), dead ball specialists, “total football” skill where an attacker or midfielder can defend very effectively (old school Dutch style), where you are required to dash back and catch up with your man as soon as you lose the ball. Our players are fond of waiting for passes while standing, and using their frame to shield the other player. While it’s okay for some players to do so, we need to have players who are mobile and constantly creating spaces by running forward to collect a pass.

I really hope that Rohr and his assistants are taking the time to single out two players to practice headers, free-kicks, corner kicks for at least an hour everyday in camp, and then rehearsed later with a wall off four to five players. A good example of what most strikers do is head on goal all the time. Except it is harder to score this way at the WC, since there are lots of bodies and heads around you (the best defenders in the world), however when you head the ball down into the middle of the box, it bounces off the pitch, it creates an opportunity as players scramble – and this is one of the ways to score effectively from header situations. Another one is heading it toward the middle of the wall or to another player who can then head it toward goal. France ’98 ( Zidane -two goals against Brazil).

When you cut in just right or left outside the box, you don’t really need to shoot the ball, but instead curl the ball toward the 90 degree angle of the corner post. The way the balls are created nowadays means its swirls in the air and dips down and just veers a few inches left (if you are aiming at the right top corner of goal post). The last 3 World Cups features several goals that were scored using this method.

I love the way our players are not shooting inside the box every chance they get, but instead are simply using their inside foot to place the ball away from the goalkeeper or toward the vacant corner of the goal post. Even Idowu, a defender scored this way against Argentina. Most of our goals in this match came using this technique. Most of Germany’s goal against Brazil at the last WC was scored deploying this skill.

STRATEGY

Obviously-- big ups to Mr. Rohr and his team for not only getting us this far, but also making this WC qualification, the smoothest with some astounding victories along the way (against Algeria, Cameroon)! Whether it is 4-4-2 or 3-5-1, the coach knows best!

But a comprehensive strategy that mixes plays from explosive wing play, to solid on- and- off the ball movement, to a mobile AM making diagonal runs, to fluid movement and transition from defense and passes through midfield, to aerial football interspersed with sprinkling ground passes, and the determination to finish on the third as if your life depends on it -- are the things that sets teams apart at the WC. Just look at Costa Rica at the last WC – how many world-class strikers did they have? Look at how Ghana (that does not have the level of talent we have) plays with heart at the WC. Let us not forget they almost eliminated Germany.

We have the right players; we just need to focus on confidence, psychology, technique and strategy. That is, assuming our GK situation gets sorted out! ☺

Go Super Eagles! We can do it!!!!!!

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