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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 2:49 am 
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Can the NPFL use this to chose players for our next CHAN team? :lol:



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 2:51 pm 
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Interesting. I believe pinnick said they would implement similar methods with SE players and in scouting opponents. I wonder how this would change things for the team and how much more effective they could be. Imho, the biggest difference could be in team defense, that’s the area that has let us down in almost every wc. That momentary loss of cohesion, stopping it would probably get us further than we’ve ever been. The one thing analytics cannot do is the mistakes goalies make in one on one situations like we saw vs Cameroon and Algeria away. God dey!

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 6:21 pm 
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 8:33 pm 
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Soccer is still lagging behind other sports.
Curiously MLS teams are a head of many Euro teams in this regard.

Didn't Pinnick take the likes of Jay Jay, Kanu and others to a course in England a couple years back?

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 9:39 pm 
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Kabalega wrote:
Soccer is still lagging behind other sports.
Curiously MLS teams are a head of many Euro teams in this regard.

Didn't Pinnick take the likes of Jay Jay, Kanu and others to a course in England a couple years back?

If we put aside the fancy word, it will be hard to argue that the top five teams in the MLS
can go toe-to-toe with any middle of the league ranked teams n the EPL, La Liga, or Serie A.
Analytics will be hard pressed to beat creative talents, on a well orchestrated team.
Football/Soccer, or any free flowing sport where spontaneous creativity and inspirational action
as the 'main course', would not benefit much from analytics. Thinking otherwise would be like
saying music is better written, or art creation is best with analytics.
The teams we generally accuse of 'parking the bus' probably rely on analytics, but they only
inhibit players creativity as we've noticed. Thus they do not fare well against teams where
individual and team creativity is allowed to flourish.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 11:00 pm 
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joao wrote:
Kabalega wrote:
Soccer is still lagging behind other sports.
Curiously MLS teams are a head of many Euro teams in this regard.

Didn't Pinnick take the likes of Jay Jay, Kanu and others to a course in England a couple years back?

If we put aside the fancy word, it will be hard to argue that the top five teams in the MLS
can go toe-to-toe with any middle of the league ranked teams n the EPL, La Liga, or Serie A.

Analytics will be hard pressed to beat creative talents, on a well orchestrated team.
Football/Soccer, or any free flowing sport where spontaneous creativity and inspirational action
as the 'main course', would not benefit much from analytics. Thinking otherwise would be like
saying music is better written, or art creation is best with analytics.
The teams we generally accuse of 'parking the bus' probably rely on analytics, but they only
inhibit players creativity as we've noticed. Thus they do not fare well against teams where
individual and team creativity is allowed to flourish.

What has this got to do with my post?
Whether the top 5 MLS teams can or cannot beat mid-tier EPL teams does not mean that the MLS teams are not more advanced in data analytics and tech in general compared to EPL teams.

If you're trying to make an argument that analytics do not help less talented teams then you should watch the video clip again and pay attention.

Also, music creation is actually an analytical process and there are algorithms for creating certain types of music that otherwise would be difficult to make. Classical music alone has been analyzed to the point that one can create a song that sounds like Ludwig van Beethoven in less time than the original artist could ever make one.

It's funny how you are making all these assertions with authority, but no serious evidence to back them up.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 4:38 am 
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Sorry my response is vexing to you.
I was just trying to say that 'Analytics' would be better utilized with regards predictive situations or activities
where calculated actions are required, as opposed to unpredictability and subjectivity like sports and music.
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joao wrote:
Sorry my response is vexing to you.
I was just trying to say that 'Analytics' would be better utilized with regards predictive situations or activities
where calculated actions are required, as opposed to unpredictability and subjectivity like sports and music.
Cheers!!!

That is incorrect,youtube,tidal,spotify are all based on analytics and valued at billions


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joao wrote:
Sorry my response is vexing to you.
I was just trying to say that 'Analytics' would be better utilized with regards predictive situations or activities
where calculated actions are required, as opposed to unpredictability and subjectivity like sports and music.
Cheers!!!

You are probably in a casino drinking Hennessy while playing unpredictable games. :lol: :lol:

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camex and Kabalega, since you guys believe 'Analytics' works in every sphere,
please name just the four semi-finalists in Russia 2018. While you are at it, name
the winner of the music of the year, movie of the year, and best grossing stock for 2018.

Lest I forget, help a brother out and kindly pass me the winning number for this week's lotto.
Cheers!!!

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joao wrote:
camex and Kabalega, since you guys believe 'Analytics' works in every sphere,
please name just the four semi-finalists in Russia 2018. While you are at it, name
the winner of the music of the year, movie of the year, and best grossing stock for 2018.

Lest I forget, help a brother out and kindly pass me the winning number for this week's lotto.
Cheers!!!

:rotf: :rotf: :rotf:
Do you really need analytics to figure this out?
Germany
Brazil
Argentina
Help a brother out here with a forth one. :D

Movie of the year? Black Panther!

What exactly do you mean by best grossing stock? Amazon?

BTW, we are in the 3rd month out of 12, of 2018. A lot of music, movies, e.t.c have yet to come out.

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joao wrote:
camex and Kabalega, since you guys believe 'Analytics' works in every sphere,
please name just the four semi-finalists in Russia 2018. While you are at it, name
the winner of the music of the year, movie of the year, and best grossing stock for 2018.

Lest I forget, help a brother out and kindly pass me the winning number for this week's lotto.
Cheers!!!


You're quite mistaken on the use of analytics. It is not a magical prediction of the future. It just a tool for the discovery and interpretation of meaningful patterns that are otherwise unknown. When properly utilized, it can provide an advantage over an opponent that may not have considered such aspects of the game.

For an example, analytics can be used to discover some tendencies or weaknesses of the opponent that are not apparent in order to game plan against them. The team might not even realize that they have such tendencies or weaknesses.


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kzz5joa wrote:
joao wrote:
camex and Kabalega, since you guys believe 'Analytics' works in every sphere,
please name just the four semi-finalists in Russia 2018. While you are at it, name
the winner of the music of the year, movie of the year, and best grossing stock for 2018.

Lest I forget, help a brother out and kindly pass me the winning number for this week's lotto.
Cheers!!!


You're quite mistaken on the use of analytics. It is not a magical prediction of the future. It just a tool for the discovery and interpretation of meaningful patterns that are otherwise unknown. When properly utilized, it can provide an advantage over an opponent that may not have considered such aspects of the game.

For an example, analytics can be used to discover some tendencies or weaknesses of the opponent that are not apparent in order to game plan against them. The team might not even realize that they have such tendencies or weaknesses.

Thanks for your input, but I would like you to consider an activity where both 'teams'
used analytics, and the result is determined by an instant of inspiration, injury to critical
team personnel, or even an individual's unfortunate error of placement.
Analytics certainly works, but does not guaranty anything. And as the saying goes,
'if everybody is in the same business, pretty soon we will all be out of business'. So
too will analytics in spheres where unpredictability is rampant, like football.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:53 pm 
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joao wrote:
kzz5joa wrote:
joao wrote:
camex and Kabalega, since you guys believe 'Analytics' works in every sphere,
please name just the four semi-finalists in Russia 2018. While you are at it, name
the winner of the music of the year, movie of the year, and best grossing stock for 2018.

Lest I forget, help a brother out and kindly pass me the winning number for this week's lotto.
Cheers!!!


You're quite mistaken on the use of analytics. It is not a magical prediction of the future. It just a tool for the discovery and interpretation of meaningful patterns that are otherwise unknown. When properly utilized, it can provide an advantage over an opponent that may not have considered such aspects of the game.

For an example, analytics can be used to discover some tendencies or weaknesses of the opponent that are not apparent in order to game plan against them. The team might not even realize that they have such tendencies or weaknesses.

Thanks for your input, but I would like
you to consider an activity where both 'teams'
used analytics, and the result is determined by an instant of inspiration, injury to critical
team personnel, or even an individual's unfortunate error of placement.
Analytics certainly works, but does not guaranty anything. And as the saying goes,
'if everybody is in the same business, pretty soon we will all be out of business'. So
too will analytics in spheres where unpredictability is rampant, like football.

No,all analytics are not made equal.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:46 pm 
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camex wrote:
joao wrote:
kzz5joa wrote:
joao wrote:
camex and Kabalega, since you guys believe 'Analytics' works in every sphere,
please name just the four semi-finalists in Russia 2018. While you are at it, name
the winner of the music of the year, movie of the year, and best grossing stock for 2018.

Lest I forget, help a brother out and kindly pass me the winning number for this week's lotto.
Cheers!!!


You're quite mistaken on the use of analytics. It is not a magical prediction of the future. It just a tool for the discovery and interpretation of meaningful patterns that are otherwise unknown. When properly utilized, it can provide an advantage over an opponent that may not have considered such aspects of the game.

For an example, analytics can be used to discover some tendencies or weaknesses of the opponent that are not apparent in order to game plan against them. The team might not even realize that they have such tendencies or weaknesses.

Thanks for your input, but I would like
you to consider an activity where both 'teams'
used analytics, and the result is determined by an instant of inspiration, injury to critical
team personnel, or even an individual's unfortunate error of placement.
Analytics certainly works, but does not guaranty anything. And as the saying goes,
'if everybody is in the same business, pretty soon we will all be out of business'. So
too will analytics in spheres where unpredictability is rampant, like football.
No, all analytics are not made equal.

OK, now you are getting to where my argument emanated, which is,
Kabalega wrote:
Soccer is still lagging behind other sports.
Curiously MLS teams are a head of many Euro teams in this regard.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:00 pm 
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joao wrote:
camex wrote:
joao wrote:
kzz5joa wrote:
joao wrote:
camex and Kabalega, since you guys believe 'Analytics' works in every sphere,
please name just the four semi-finalists in Russia 2018. While you are at it, name
the winner of the music of the year, movie of the year, and best grossing stock for 2018.

Lest I forget, help a brother out and kindly pass me the winning number for this week's lotto.
Cheers!!!


You're quite mistaken on the use of analytics. It is not a magical prediction of the future. It just a tool for the discovery and interpretation of meaningful patterns that are otherwise unknown. When properly utilized, it can provide an advantage over an opponent that may not have considered such aspects of the game.

For an example, analytics can be used to discover some tendencies or weaknesses of the opponent that are not apparent in order to game plan against them. The team might not even realize that they have such tendencies or weaknesses.

Thanks for your input, but I would like
you to consider an activity where both 'teams'
used analytics, and the result is determined by an instant of inspiration, injury to critical
team personnel, or even an individual's unfortunate error of placement.
Analytics certainly works, but does not guaranty anything. And as the saying goes,
'if everybody is in the same business, pretty soon we will all be out of business'. So
too will analytics in spheres where unpredictability is rampant, like football.
No, all analytics are not made equal.

OK, now you are getting to where my argument emanated, which is,
Kabalega wrote:
Soccer is still lagging behind other sports.
Curiously MLS teams are a head of many Euro teams in this regard.


I think Kabalega's comment was that
soccer lags behind other sports in the use of analytics and MLS teams are ahead of many Euro teams in the use of it.

I'm not sure I see anything that suggests superiority as a result of analytics. Analytics can only just give an advantage because it exposes knowledge that was previously unknown. What you do with that knowledge is another matter entirely. Besides, the knowledge gain is based on accummulated data - which is not a trivial thing.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:35 pm 
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IMHO, analytics is an important aspect of football today or just about anything else. It provides insight into several things that we would otherwise have little clue. However, it will be a mistake to define it as infallible. Some of the data credited to individual performance and accomplishment are not independently achieved and are in fact affected by actions of others in a team game. Thus, you could be wrong to use individual data to predict a player's performance or output in the midst of a different set of players. In addition, it may not account for psychological uncertainties. However, stating those drawbacks does not and should not mean that it isn't an advantage to use analytics.

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That's why so many modern players are like bots. I see people like Albrighton of Leicester and dude does the same thing over and over again...not a creative bone in his body.

I see it as useful in certain aspects of the game but perhaps not that useful in game play. I never played soccer proficiently but I always thought of how much easier it was to learn basketball (especially in the center and power forward position) compared to soccer, which is much more fluid, nuanced and instinctive.

By the way those bright sparks itk at Southampton are in real trouble. I wonder which one of them advised to fire Puel.

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