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LOL. Retrospective punishment?
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No excuse but the defender lashed back!
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Kabalega wrote:No excuse but the defender lashed back!

Choi your eyes, Nna. You visit Specsavers? :taunt:
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balo wrote:
Kabalega wrote:No excuse but the defender lashed back!

Choi your eyes, Nna. You visit Specsavers? :taunt:
:lol: :lol: The forward dived for sure but did you see the defender's right leg lashout while he was on the ground? :lol:
That is what prompted the forward to dive!
Ask the linesman.
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Thunder fire any of our forwards wey no go down after than kain contact. We've won enough "fair play" moral victory awards in the past. Time to start advancing like other teams that dive.
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Kabalega wrote:
balo wrote:
Kabalega wrote:No excuse but the defender lashed back!

Choi your eyes, Nna. You visit Specsavers? :taunt:
:lol: :lol: The forward dived for sure but did you see the defender's right leg lashout while he was on the ground? :lol:
That is what prompted the forward to dive!
Ask the linesman.
It's entirely irrelevant.

First of all, just because diving has become more audacious, does not mean that you cannot dive even WITH contact.

Exaggerating contact is diving. Basically any action is a simulation if the contact has not proportionally produced that reaction.

So even if the player had lashed out and the player left his foot hanging and made a small contact, that would be simulation!

There really is no ambiguity. The only issue has been that referees and committees have been so poor at dealing with this issue that players have now begun to confuse the issue.

There are so many facets of this issue and some will think that theirs is innocent. For example some players like Victor Moses 'expect contact' to be made, that is a form of diving. You do not anticipate contact! Because what will happen is even before contact is made, they are already thrusting themselves. And even if they weren't, by the time contact is made, they are already prepared to exaggerate its effect!

Bad defending or messy defending does not make a case for diving, unless significant contact is present!
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Tbite wrote:
Kabalega wrote:
balo wrote:
Kabalega wrote:No excuse but the defender lashed back!

Choi your eyes, Nna. You visit Specsavers? :taunt:
:lol: :lol: The forward dived for sure but did you see the defender's right leg lashout while he was on the ground? :lol:
That is what prompted the forward to dive!
Ask the linesman.
It's entirely irrelevant.

First of all, just because diving has become more audacious, does not mean that you cannot dive even WITH contact.

Exaggerating contact is diving. Basically any action is a simulation if the contact has not proportionally produced that reaction.

So even if the player had lashed out and the player left his foot hanging and made a small contact, that would be simulation!

There really is no ambiguity. The only issue has been that referees and committees have been so poor at dealing with this issue that players have now begun to confuse the issue.

There are so many facets of this issue and some will think that theirs is innocent. For example some players like Victor Moses 'expect contact' to be made, that is a form of diving. You do not anticipate contact! Because what will happen is even before contact is made, they are already thrusting themselves. And even if they weren't, by the time contact is made, they are already prepared to exaggerate its effect!

Bad defending or messy defending does not make a case for diving, unless significant contact is present!
i don't think he's condoning or defending it. Rather, he is making the point that the current rules are so useless that all that is required is contact, even if the striker dives and somersaults 3 times :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Diving Welbeck the goon cvnt trained him well :tic:
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Chief Ogbunigwe wrote:
Tbite wrote:
Kabalega wrote:
balo wrote:
Kabalega wrote:No excuse but the defender lashed back!

Choi your eyes, Nna. You visit Specsavers? :taunt:
:lol: :lol: The forward dived for sure but did you see the defender's right leg lashout while he was on the ground? :lol:
That is what prompted the forward to dive!
Ask the linesman.
It's entirely irrelevant.

First of all, just because diving has become more audacious, does not mean that you cannot dive even WITH contact.

Exaggerating contact is diving. Basically any action is a simulation if the contact has not proportionally produced that reaction.

So even if the player had lashed out and the player left his foot hanging and made a small contact, that would be simulation!

There really is no ambiguity. The only issue has been that referees and committees have been so poor at dealing with this issue that players have now begun to confuse the issue.

There are so many facets of this issue and some will think that theirs is innocent. For example some players like Victor Moses 'expect contact' to be made, that is a form of diving. You do not anticipate contact! Because what will happen is even before contact is made, they are already thrusting themselves. And even if they weren't, by the time contact is made, they are already prepared to exaggerate its effect!

Bad defending or messy defending does not make a case for diving, unless significant contact is present!
i don't think he's condoning or defending it. Rather, he is making the point that the current rules are so useless that all that is required is contact, even if the striker dives and somersaults 3 times :lol: :lol: :lol:
There is more to it.

Players maliciously try to harm opponents by lashing back. If unchecked, it can lead to serious injury.
Imagine a player going down and an opponent steps on their ankle and grinds it down in one swift motion.

Good officials are trained to spot this stuff! Most of them, try to nip it in the bud.

Here, the defender lashed back and from the linesman's POV, it affected the forward. The ref was too far away so he relied on his assistant's flag. Bottom line, the defender had no sporting reason to kick back.
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Kabalega wrote:
Chief Ogbunigwe wrote:
Tbite wrote:
Kabalega wrote:
balo wrote:
Kabalega wrote:No excuse but the defender lashed back!

Choi your eyes, Nna. You visit Specsavers? :taunt:
:lol: :lol: The forward dived for sure but did you see the defender's right leg lashout while he was on the ground? :lol:
That is what prompted the forward to dive!
Ask the linesman.
It's entirely irrelevant.

First of all, just because diving has become more audacious, does not mean that you cannot dive even WITH contact.

Exaggerating contact is diving. Basically any action is a simulation if the contact has not proportionally produced that reaction.

So even if the player had lashed out and the player left his foot hanging and made a small contact, that would be simulation!

There really is no ambiguity. The only issue has been that referees and committees have been so poor at dealing with this issue that players have now begun to confuse the issue.

There are so many facets of this issue and some will think that theirs is innocent. For example some players like Victor Moses 'expect contact' to be made, that is a form of diving. You do not anticipate contact! Because what will happen is even before contact is made, they are already thrusting themselves. And even if they weren't, by the time contact is made, they are already prepared to exaggerate its effect!

Bad defending or messy defending does not make a case for diving, unless significant contact is present!
i don't think he's condoning or defending it. Rather, he is making the point that the current rules are so useless that all that is required is contact, even if the striker dives and somersaults 3 times :lol: :lol: :lol:
There is more to it.

Players maliciously try to harm opponents by lashing back. If unchecked, it can lead to serious injury.
Imagine a player going down and an opponent steps on their ankle and grinds it down in one swift motion.

Good officials are trained to spot this stuff! Most of them, try to nip it in the bud.

Here, the defender lashed back and from the linesman's POV, it affected the forward. The ref was too far away so he relied on his assistant's flag. Bottom line, the defender had no sporting reason to kick back.
The striker must have felt the breeze from the defender's kick back.
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Nkume wrote:
Kabalega wrote:
Chief Ogbunigwe wrote:
Tbite wrote:
Kabalega wrote:
balo wrote:
Kabalega wrote:No excuse but the defender lashed back!

Choi your eyes, Nna. You visit Specsavers? :taunt:
:lol: :lol: The forward dived for sure but did you see the defender's right leg lashout while he was on the ground? :lol:
That is what prompted the forward to dive!
Ask the linesman.
It's entirely irrelevant.

First of all, just because diving has become more audacious, does not mean that you cannot dive even WITH contact.

Exaggerating contact is diving. Basically any action is a simulation if the contact has not proportionally produced that reaction.

So even if the player had lashed out and the player left his foot hanging and made a small contact, that would be simulation!

There really is no ambiguity. The only issue has been that referees and committees have been so poor at dealing with this issue that players have now begun to confuse the issue.

There are so many facets of this issue and some will think that theirs is innocent. For example some players like Victor Moses 'expect contact' to be made, that is a form of diving. You do not anticipate contact! Because what will happen is even before contact is made, they are already thrusting themselves. And even if they weren't, by the time contact is made, they are already prepared to exaggerate its effect!

Bad defending or messy defending does not make a case for diving, unless significant contact is present!
i don't think he's condoning or defending it. Rather, he is making the point that the current rules are so useless that all that is required is contact, even if the striker dives and somersaults 3 times :lol: :lol: :lol:
There is more to it.

Players maliciously try to harm opponents by lashing back. If unchecked, it can lead to serious injury.
Imagine a player going down and an opponent steps on their ankle and grinds it down in one swift motion.

Good officials are trained to spot this stuff! Most of them, try to nip it in the bud.

Here, the defender lashed back and from the linesman's POV, it affected the forward. The ref was too far away so he relied on his assistant's flag. Bottom line, the defender had no sporting reason to kick back.
The striker must have felt the breeze from the defender's kick back.
Lesson to the defender.
Next time make contact and make it count or else don't lash out like a pus*y!
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There was contact with the left leg and it looks like that at first glance @ 0:12 but a different angle for the replay makes it look like the contact was phantom. How bad is the lash out? u can't be very certain but the intent is enough.

https://www.fifa.com/mm/document/.../la ... _47379.pdf
Fouls. − Basis requirements for a foul. − Direct Free Kick. − Indirect Free kick. • Careless, reckless, using excessive force. • Charging an opponent. • Holding an opponent. • Handling the ball ... to kick an opponent. − trips or attempts to trip an opponent
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folem wrote:There was contact with the left leg and it looks like that at first glance @ 0:12 but a different angle for the replay makes it look like the contact was phantom. How bad is the lash out? u can't be very certain but the intent is enough.

https://www.fifa.com/mm/document/.../la ... _47379.pdf
Fouls. − Basis requirements for a foul. − Direct Free Kick. − Indirect Free kick. • Careless, reckless, using excessive force. • Charging an opponent. • Holding an opponent. • Handling the ball ... to kick an opponent. − trips or attempts to trip an opponent
I guess that is the same thing that got Kaita in trouble.

At the same time, simulation is also a bookable offence on its own. And the player WAS simulating. I think in the 2010 World Cup, the Greek should have been booked for simulating as well, and in this incident both players should have been booked.
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folem wrote:There was contact with the left leg and it looks like that at first glance @ 0:12 but a different angle for the replay makes it look like the contact was phantom. How bad is the lash out? u can't be very certain but the intent is enough.

https://www.fifa.com/mm/document/.../la ... _47379.pdf
Fouls. − Basis requirements for a foul. − Direct Free Kick. − Indirect Free kick. • Careless, reckless, using excessive force. • Charging an opponent. • Holding an opponent. • Handling the ball ... to kick an opponent. − trips or attempts to trip an opponent
Bruv that is clearly unsportsmanlike behaviour. We have to define diving and what is contact?

Is contact just any touch regardless of whether it's enough to knock you off your feet or impede your movement?

What is diving? Is it actually exaggerating the contact so as to con the ref?

From the video, it seems the guy on the floor either tried to trip him or kick at the ball. But was there contact and was the contact enough to make the player fall like that?

Looking at the video from 0:31, it seems the player evaded the tackle, tried to kick the ball then suddenly decide to do a slide and fall down. That is clear cheating. There was daylight between the time when the player attempted the tackle and the time the cheating player decide to hit the deck.

We just talk about contact now as if every contact is a foul.
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pajimoh wrote:
folem wrote:There was contact with the left leg and it looks like that at first glance @ 0:12 but a different angle for the replay makes it look like the contact was phantom. How bad is the lash out? u can't be very certain but the intent is enough.

https://www.fifa.com/mm/document/.../la ... _47379.pdf
Fouls. − Basis requirements for a foul. − Direct Free Kick. − Indirect Free kick. • Careless, reckless, using excessive force. • Charging an opponent. • Holding an opponent. • Handling the ball ... to kick an opponent. − trips or attempts to trip an opponent
Bruv that is clearly unsportsmanlike behaviour. We have to define diving and what is contact?

Is contact just any touch regardless of whether it's enough to knock you off your feet or impede your movement?

What is diving? Is it actually exaggerating the contact so as to con the ref?

From the video, it seems the guy on the floor either tried to trip him or kick at the ball. But was there contact and was the contact enough to make the player fall like that?

Looking at the video from 0:31, it seems the player evaded the tackle, tried to kick the ball then suddenly decide to do a slide and fall down. That is clear cheating. There was daylight between the time when the player attempted the tackle and the time the cheating player decide to hit the deck.

We just talk about contact now as if every contact is a foul.
0:31 is not the best angle.
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According to the Gabon se ref in the Algerian vs Nigeria game, he was penalized for intent
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Robotnik wrote:According to the Gabon se ref in the Algerian vs Nigeria game, he was penalized for intent
That's fine. But those are two separate offences. Was the other guy penalized for simulation?
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folem wrote:
pajimoh wrote:
folem wrote:There was contact with the left leg and it looks like that at first glance @ 0:12 but a different angle for the replay makes it look like the contact was phantom. How bad is the lash out? u can't be very certain but the intent is enough.

https://www.fifa.com/mm/document/.../la ... _47379.pdf
Fouls. − Basis requirements for a foul. − Direct Free Kick. − Indirect Free kick. • Careless, reckless, using excessive force. • Charging an opponent. • Holding an opponent. • Handling the ball ... to kick an opponent. − trips or attempts to trip an opponent
Bruv that is clearly unsportsmanlike behaviour. We have to define diving and what is contact?

Is contact just any touch regardless of whether it's enough to knock you off your feet or impede your movement?

What is diving? Is it actually exaggerating the contact so as to con the ref?

From the video, it seems the guy on the floor either tried to trip him or kick at the ball. But was there contact and was the contact enough to make the player fall like that?

Looking at the video from 0:31, it seems the player evaded the tackle, tried to kick the ball then suddenly decide to do a slide and fall down. That is clear cheating. There was daylight between the time when the player attempted the tackle and the time the cheating player decide to hit the deck.

We just talk about contact now as if every contact is a foul.
0:31 is not the best angle.
Why not? It clearly shows the player went down when he decided diving was a better option than making a pass.

I even think a free kick should have been awarded the other WA because the diving player actually shoved his marker in the back causing him to fall over
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