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txj wrote:

theYemster wrote:

txj wrote:In many a club, there's a new generation of fans who are in a vocal majority. Many of them, sad to say have no sense of history, or even a deep knowledge of the game. A perfect example being Southampton fans who clamored for the sack of Puel and have now led their club to almost certain relegation...

The reality is that Arsenal was a provincial club in London, with serial 1-0 wins bagged to the arsenal until a wiry Frenchman showed up from, of all places Japan!

In 22 years, the man not only changed the way football is played and players developed in England, but built this provincial club into a global brand. Nobody has ever done this in football.

Sure, we can quibble about tactics and selections, trophies won or lost, but people should learn to pay respect.

You are not a real football fan if you cannot recognize this at this time.

There are football fans, there are trolls....then there are clowns....

99% of Arsenal/Wenger critics appreciate what Wenger did for the club early in his managerial career. That was never the basis of the criticism. The discontent comes from the past decade and you may disagree but to act like the criticism is unwarranted is simply disingenuous. The notion that he helped grow the club means he is thus untouchable is ludicrous. Firstly he was very handsomely rewarded for his services. Secondly, there are many people who actually started (and owned) companies and still had to step aside at some point. Ted Turner, Steve Jobs, Travis Kalanick, come to mind.

Enough with the straw man argument abeg.

My point, which you clearly lack the intelligence to decipher, is that at this moment, we can and should all be able to pause and simply pay respect...

True fans recognize this...

The YeyeMan wrote:

theYemster wrote:

The YeyeMan wrote:The end of an era. Wenger - an Arsenal legend. Time to put aside the petty quibbles about whether he overstayed or not and just take a moment to marvel and respect the impact this man had on the game. It's a moment for Arsenal fans in particular to demonstrate some class, just as their manager has done throughout his career.

Why should we put it aside? We can still discuss it...that's what the forum is for, discussing. You don't have to partake in it but you shouldn't have to censor others if they're not breaking the forum rules. Nothing classless in that...as long as he's not personally insulted. We're not kids in kindergarten where we are expected to get along and sing kumbaya together. He won frickin football games...he didn't cure cancer.

I'm not for censoring any debate. Those who wish to harp on about Wenger staying on for too long or his mistakes or whatever are free to do so but are really missing the moment. Those people have been saying the same thing for the past X years so nothing new there; today is the moment to appreciate what he brought to the game.

Cellular wrote:

txj wrote:In many a club, there's a new generation of fans who are in a vocal majority. Many of them, sad to say have no sense of history, or even a deep knowledge of the game. A perfect example being Southampton fans who clamored for the sack of Puel and have now led their club to almost certain relegation...

The reality is that Arsenal was a provincial club in London, with serial 1-0 wins bagged to the arsenal until a wiry Frenchman showed up from, of all places Japan!

In 22 years, the man not only changed the way football is played and players developed in England, but built this provincial club into a global brand. Nobody has ever done this in football.

Sure, we can quibble about tactics and selections, trophies won or lost, but people should learn to pay respect.

You are not a real football fan if you cannot recognize this at this time.

There are football fans, there are trolls....then there are clowns....

Dude!

"YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME! HELLOOOOOO!"

He overstayed his welcome. I like how the Americans treat sports... the essence is to win. Great coaches do get fired. And if you stay in a place long enough you will get fired.

They are about to finish in 6th place... it is not good enough! Their main rivals are getting better.
The sentimental BS just doesn't cut it especially when it is beginning to affect the bottomline.
Maybe at Pool you guys love talking about how you were winning trophies before color TV was invented...

mmeny wrote:

txj wrote:

theYemster wrote:

txj wrote:In many a club, there's a new generation of fans who are in a vocal majority. Many of them, sad to say have no sense of history, or even a deep knowledge of the game. A perfect example being Southampton fans who clamored for the sack of Puel and have now led their club to almost certain relegation...

The reality is that Arsenal was a provincial club in London, with serial 1-0 wins bagged to the arsenal until a wiry Frenchman showed up from, of all places Japan!

In 22 years, the man not only changed the way football is played and players developed in England, but built this provincial club into a global brand. Nobody has ever done this in football.

Sure, we can quibble about tactics and selections, trophies won or lost, but people should learn to pay respect.

You are not a real football fan if you cannot recognize this at this time.

There are football fans, there are trolls....then there are clowns....

99% of Arsenal/Wenger critics appreciate what Wenger did for the club early in his managerial career. That was never the basis of the criticism. The discontent comes from the past decade and you may disagree but to act like the criticism is unwarranted is simply disingenuous. The notion that he helped grow the club means he is thus untouchable is ludicrous. Firstly he was very handsomely rewarded for his services. Secondly, there are many people who actually started (and owned) companies and still had to step aside at some point. Ted Turner, Steve Jobs, Travis Kalanick, come to mind.

Enough with the straw man argument abeg.

My point, which you clearly lack the intelligence to decipher, is that at this moment, we can and should all be able to pause and simply pay respect...

True fans recognize this...

Leave them alone they don't get it....

txj wrote:

Tbite wrote:

txj wrote:In many a club, there's a new generation of fans who are in a vocal majority. Many of them, sad to say have no sense of history, or even a deep knowledge of the game. A perfect example being Southampton fans who clamored for the sack of Puel and have now led their club to almost certain relegation...

The reality is that Arsenal was a provincial club in London, with serial 1-0 wins bagged to the arsenal until a wiry Frenchman showed up from, of all places Japan!

In 22 years, the man not only changed the way football is played and players developed in England, but built this provincial club into a global brand. Nobody has ever done this in football.

Sure, we can quibble about tactics and selections, trophies won or lost, but people should learn to pay respect.

You are not a real football fan if you cannot recognize this at this time.

There are football fans, there are trolls....then there are clowns....

There are also those who lack the ability to truly reason. Arsenal is now one of the most financially viable sporting entities in the world. So, how can we be so provincial in our thinking to simply consider this argument as BW or AW (Before Wenger or After Wenger).

C'mon now! Nobody is disputing said facts, the most vocal facts KNOW everything which you have just stated, to base your argument on that is disingenuous.

And let it also be known that Arsenal is not even Chelsea for that matter, with regards to the Abramovich era. 10/13 Arsenal top flight titles are BW (lets use this moronic abbreviation for arguments sake).Arsenal's only 2 league cups were BW. Half of Arsena's FA Cups were BW. Arsenal's highest European accolade was BW!

Wenger brought with him, a beautiful form of football and flair, but he certainly did not make the club, actually I have highlighted that over the course of the entire history of the game, they had won more without him. Now one might say that Wenger's tenure spanned 2 decades, and my titles go back to 1929, but the fact remains that nobody is questioning the competency of Arsene Wenger in the Mid 90s or Mid 2000s, what we simply recognize is that the game has left Wenger, and he cannot be considered one of Europe's elite managers anymore.

Going back to my opening remark, the fact that the club is now in good health (testament to people like Wenger) is all the more reason why he should leave! The club is no longer a fragile entity, whose hopes rests on personalities! It is now a strong and viable entity. Let it be known for that matter that the most successful clubs in Europe for the past 15 or so years have not relied on any single figures either. So we are left with a manager, who is not necessarily archaic but not the crème de la crème, a club that is viable and a model of replacing under-performing managers (that is viable, if for no other reason than financial and personnel rejuvenation).

This is may very well be a case of self-inflicted obsolescence. I will agree with you in part, it is because of Wenger that we no longer need Wenger. The club has now outgrown him.

They may 'know' it, but they have no appreciation of what it truly means. That is the real tragedy of the moment...

As a fan of a club that was a few hours from administration and has now fully rediscovered itself, I would urge Arsenal fans to focus on the true value of the club Wenger has bequeathed them. That is what should guide you in the choice of a new manager...

Enugu II wrote:I rarely write and/or talk about foreign club football but surely this is an end to a great era, IMHO. This guy was one of the truly great giants of football.

anikulapo wrote:

txj wrote:

theYemster wrote:

txj wrote:In many a club, there's a new generation of fans who are in a vocal majority. Many of them, sad to say have no sense of history, or even a deep knowledge of the game. A perfect example being Southampton fans who clamored for the sack of Puel and have now led their club to almost certain relegation...

The reality is that Arsenal was a provincial club in London, with serial 1-0 wins bagged to the arsenal until a wiry Frenchman showed up from, of all places Japan!

In 22 years, the man not only changed the way football is played and players developed in England, but built this provincial club into a global brand. Nobody has ever done this in football.

Sure, we can quibble about tactics and selections, trophies won or lost, but people should learn to pay respect.

You are not a real football fan if you cannot recognize this at this time.

There are football fans, there are trolls....then there are clowns....

99% of Arsenal/Wenger critics appreciate what Wenger did for the club early in his managerial career. That was never the basis of the criticism. The discontent comes from the past decade and you may disagree but to act like the criticism is unwarranted is simply disingenuous. The notion that he helped grow the club means he is thus untouchable is ludicrous. Firstly he was very handsomely rewarded for his services. Secondly, there are many people who actually started (and owned) companies and still had to step aside at some point. Ted Turner, Steve Jobs, Travis Kalanick, come to mind.

Enough with the straw man argument abeg.

My point, which you clearly lack the intelligence to decipher, is that at this moment, we can and should all be able to pause and simply pay respect...

True fans recognize this...

Oh lawdy Lawdy see finishing

paj wrote:I'm pissed. NOW Arsenal may get a coach that could actually start winning things..

The YeyeMan wrote:The end of an era. Wenger - an Arsenal legend. Time to put aside the petty quibbles about whether he overstayed or not and just take a moment to marvel and respect the impact this man had on the game. It's a moment for Arsenal fans in particular to demonstrate some class, just as their manager has done throughout his career.

Tobi17 wrote:Wenger is still world class enough to land a gig at any top class club right now, yes I said it!!!

Tobi17 wrote:Wenger is still world class enough to land a gig at any top class club right now, yes I said it!!!

txj wrote:

theYemster wrote:

txj wrote:In many a club, there's a new generation of fans who are in a vocal majority. Many of them, sad to say have no sense of history, or even a deep knowledge of the game. A perfect example being Southampton fans who clamored for the sack of Puel and have now led their club to almost certain relegation...

The reality is that Arsenal was a provincial club in London, with serial 1-0 wins bagged to the arsenal until a wiry Frenchman showed up from, of all places Japan!

In 22 years, the man not only changed the way football is played and players developed in England, but built this provincial club into a global brand. Nobody has ever done this in football.

Sure, we can quibble about tactics and selections, trophies won or lost, but people should learn to pay respect.

You are not a real football fan if you cannot recognize this at this time.

There are football fans, there are trolls....then there are clowns....

99% of Arsenal/Wenger critics appreciate what Wenger did for the club early in his managerial career. That was never the basis of the criticism. The discontent comes from the past decade and you may disagree but to act like the criticism is unwarranted is simply disingenuous. The notion that he helped grow the club means he is thus untouchable is ludicrous. Firstly he was very handsomely rewarded for his services. Secondly, there are many people who actually started (and owned) companies and still had to step aside at some point. Ted Turner, Steve Jobs, Travis Kalanick, come to mind.

Enough with the straw man argument abeg.

My point, which you clearly lack the intelligence to decipher,......

cic old boy wrote:Guardian reporting that he jumped b/4 he was pushed - the leaving was to preempt the sack at the end of the season.

danfo driver wrote:

tfco wrote:

metalalloy wrote:

txj wrote:In many a club, there's a new generation of fans who are in a vocal majority. Many of them, sad to say have no sense of history, or even a deep knowledge of the game. A perfect example being Southampton fans who clamored for the sack of Puel and have now led their club to almost certain relegation...

The reality is that Arsenal was a provincial club in London, with serial 1-0 wins bagged to the arsenal until a wiry Frenchman showed up from, of all places Japan!

In 22 years, the man not only changed the way football is played and players developed in England, but built this provincial club into a global brand. Nobody has ever done this in football.

Sure, we can quibble about tactics and selections, trophies won or lost, but people should learn to pay respect.

You are not a real football fan if you cannot recognize this at this time.

There are football fans, there are trolls....then there are clowns....

We purists thank you for your services Arsene.

I thought he was a neutralist? Abi na neutralized purist?

tfco wrote:

danfo driver wrote:

tfco wrote:

metalalloy wrote:

txj wrote:In many a club, there's a new generation of fans who are in a vocal majority. Many of them, sad to say have no sense of history, or even a deep knowledge of the game. A perfect example being Southampton fans who clamored for the sack of Puel and have now led their club to almost certain relegation...

The reality is that Arsenal was a provincial club in London, with serial 1-0 wins bagged to the arsenal until a wiry Frenchman showed up from, of all places Japan!

In 22 years, the man not only changed the way football is played and players developed in England, but built this provincial club into a global brand. Nobody has ever done this in football.

Sure, we can quibble about tactics and selections, trophies won or lost, but people should learn to pay respect.

You are not a real football fan if you cannot recognize this at this time.

There are football fans, there are trolls....then there are clowns....

We purists thank you for your services Arsene.

I thought he was a neutralist? Abi na neutralized purist?

if one has to go around proclaiming that one is a Football Purist....