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Congrats to Liverpool and their second place CL ribbon and their "We beat Man City" trophy. Well deserved.#bestteaminengland


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you're trying to hard. haba

I'm simply congratulating the best team in England, the giant killers. The unstoppable force that is Liverpool Football Club.

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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2018 12:31 pm 
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@Chief Oga Tx, on the eve of the january window:
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Returning to the topic title...If Liverpool go into next season with Soft Mintgolet or Can't Karius between the sticks, Klavan or Dejan Senderis manning the backline, they're doomed....


@Chief Oga Tx, nno! So, is that the final comedy nail in Not Hugo Loris Cant Karius' pathetic flirtations with the number one spot? Back to Trebor softMintgolet or will Aerosmith actually invest in the glaringly obvious? As was said three years ago in discussion, till Liverpool invest in a proper goalkeeper, as opposed to fielding roadkill from the joyrider's boy racing down the yellow brick road, they're going nowhere. Cliche still?


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Questions have to be asked of Klopp, what his plan was to neutralize any of Real's main threats.


Ronaldo had 1 good chance all game.

Bale's 1st goal was unstoppable.

Benzema was a non-factor.

Karius gifted them 2 goals.

Questions have to be asked as to whether you actually bothered to watch the game.


He once supported Arsenal. But now supports Liverpool cos of Salah. :lol: :lol: :lol:

How can you say a man who scored a goal and ran almost as tirelessly as the Liverpool players did, was a non factor?

Liverpool were very unlucky but have the grace to give credit to Real Madrid.

Real Madrid got to the final by beat the champions of France, Italy and Germany. They also played a good game in what was a highly contested and competitive game. I just wish Liverpool made more of it when they were dominant, maybe we will be talking about them being 6 times winners.

Yes the game was lost on 2 goalkeeping errors but many more will remember the game for Bale's goal.

I hope Salah is fit for the WC.

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Sad to come this far and lose from two GK errors. Very painful...


The two gk errors hurt but your team was also outclassed in all respects by Madrid. Even when Sallah was in the game, Liverpool didn't create any chances. More over reliance on gra gra.


"Gra gra" is an unfair discription. Nothing rough about the high intensity pressing game.

But I made a comment somewhere about the teams before the game and the midfield.

It is fact, Liverpool run, run and run after the ball, Real Madrid in contrast, let the ball do all the running for them. This key factor was made manifest in that midfield with Modric and Kroos especially.

No disrespect to Henderson and co, but their hustle and pressing did not create a thing. Instead the ball control of the Real Madrid midfield, was the foundation for their victory.

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Waffiman wrote:
Heliopolis wrote:
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Questions have to be asked of Klopp, what his plan was to neutralize any of Real's main threats.


Ronaldo had 1 good chance all game.

Bale's 1st goal was unstoppable.

Benzema was a non-factor.

Karius gifted them 2 goals.

Questions have to be asked as to whether you actually bothered to watch the game.


He once supported Arsenal. But now supports Liverpool cos of Salah. :lol: :lol: :lol:

How can you say a man who scored a goal and ran almost as tirelessly as the Liverpool players did, was a non factor?

Liverpool were very unlucky but have the grace to give credit to Real Madrid.

Real Madrid got to the final by beat the champions of France, Italy and Germany. They also played a good game in what was a highly contested and competitive game. I just wish Liverpool made more of it when they were dominant, maybe we will be talking about them being 6 times winners.

Yes the game was lost on 2 goalkeeping errors but many more will remember the game for Bale's goal.

I hope Salah is fit for the WC.



Agreed. I wouldn't describe Benz to be a non-factor. His role at Madrid mirrors Bobby Firmino's at 'pool- creates the platform for others..

Couldn't help but wonder what would've happened had Coutinho been in the team.

In Spite of deep disappointment at result, quite optimistic about the future. Manager and club pooling in same direction; strong connection among players and with fans; recruitment has been top notch. Just need to cap it up this window...

LFC bench on the day highlights how much more work remains...

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Mr. Piffington wrote:
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Congrats to Liverpool and their second place CL ribbon and their "We beat Man City" trophy. Well deserved.#bestteaminengland


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you're trying to hard. haba

I'm simply congratulating the best team in England, the giant killers. The unstoppable force that is Liverpool Football Club.

:rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: I once ran a race in high school. I came fourth and my whole fmaily was celebrating. They called me the best runner in my high school and took me out for ice cream. :clap: :lol:

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Waffiman wrote:
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txj wrote:
Sad to come this far and lose from two GK errors. Very painful...


The two gk errors hurt but your team was also outclassed in all respects by Madrid. Even when Sallah was in the game, Liverpool didn't create any chances. More over reliance on gra gra.


"Gra gra" is an unfair discription. Nothing rough about the high intensity pressing game.

But I made a comment somewhere about the teams before the game and the midfield.

It is fact, Liverpool run, run and run after the ball, Real Madrid in contrast, let the ball do all the running for them. This key factor was made manifest in that midfield with Modric and Kroos especially.

No disrespect to Henderson and co, but their hustle and pressing did not create a thing. Instead the ball control of the Real Madrid midfield, was the foundation for their victory.



Thats not what "gra gra" means in this context. As a warri man, your pidgin should be stronger than this.

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Waffiman wrote:
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txj wrote:
Sad to come this far and lose from two GK errors. Very painful...


The two gk errors hurt but your team was also outclassed in all respects by Madrid. Even when Sallah was in the game, Liverpool didn't create any chances. More over reliance on gra gra.


"Gra gra" is an unfair discription. Nothing rough about the high intensity pressing game.

But I made a comment somewhere about the teams before the game and the midfield.

It is fact, Liverpool run, run and run after the ball, Real Madrid in contrast, let the ball do all the running for them. This key factor was made manifest in that midfield with Modric and Kroos especially.

No disrespect to Henderson and co, but their hustle and pressing did not create a thing. Instead the ball control of the Real Madrid midfield, was the foundation for their victory.



It's quite ignorant to say its gra gra. And it's not designed to necessarily 'create a thing', but to facilitate the next step.

It's a little like the City game at the Ettihad when I repeatedly tried to draw attention to the game b/f the Mane RC.

Here it's the game b/4 the Salah injury, which LFC shaded, dropping Mane into the #10 role to begin the transition following the press...

In spite of Madrid's ball control, LFC controlled the half spaces which meant RM had to repeatedly reset the build up; no space for Marcello on the right; little space for CR7, etc...

The battle in MF, and by extension the game, prior to the injury, was not about ball control, but dominance of the half spaces

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@Tx, Chief Oga at that, a bit of discourse on the abuse down the right (Real's left) and the ineffectual introduction of Adam Lallana.


Marcello only became a factor in the game after Salah left...

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For those who are still wondering whether "taking out your opponent is a strategy



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@Chief Oga Tx, on the eve of the january window:
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Returning to the topic title...If Liverpool go into next season with Soft Mintgolet or Can't Karius between the sticks, Klavan or Dejan Senderis manning the backline, they're doomed....


@Chief Oga Tx, nno! So, is that the final comedy nail in Not Hugo Loris Cant Karius' pathetic flirtations with the number one spot? Back to Trebor softMintgolet or will Aerosmith actually invest in the glaringly obvious? As was said three years ago in discussion, till Liverpool invest in a proper goalkeeper, as opposed to fielding roadkill from the joyrider's boy racing down the yellow brick road, they're going nowhere. Cliche still?



Karius is a young GK who is learning. The choice before Klopp is whether to continue the process, expecting him to grow from this, or to bring higher level competition for him in Allison...

Either option is good by me...

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danfo driver wrote:
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Congrats to Liverpool and their second place CL ribbon and their "We beat Man City" trophy. Well deserved.#bestteaminengland


:lol: :lol:

you're trying to hard. haba

I'm simply congratulating the best team in England, the giant killers. The unstoppable force that is Liverpool Football Club.

:rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: I once ran a race in high school. I came fourth and my whole fmaily was celebrating. They called me the best runner in my high school and took me out for ice cream. :clap: :lol:

One man's pain is another man's pleasure. I'm proud of you man. :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

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One man's pain is another man's pleasure. I'm proud of you man. :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

Nna, we should congratulate Man United for winning the At Least Liverpool Didn't Win A Trophy trophy. :lol: :rotf:

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txj wrote:
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green4life wrote:
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Sad to come this far and lose from two GK errors. Very painful...


The two gk errors hurt but your team was also outclassed in all respects by Madrid. Even when Sallah was in the game, Liverpool didn't create any chances. More over reliance on gra gra.


"Gra gra" is an unfair discription. Nothing rough about the high intensity pressing game.

But I made a comment somewhere about the teams before the game and the midfield.

It is fact, Liverpool run, run and run after the ball, Real Madrid in contrast, let the ball do all the running for them. This key factor was made manifest in that midfield with Modric and Kroos especially.

No disrespect to Henderson and co, but their hustle and pressing did not create a thing. Instead the ball control of the Real Madrid midfield, was the foundation for their victory.



It's quite ignorant to say its gra gra. And it's not designed to necessarily 'create a thing', but to facilitate the next step.

It's a little like the City game at the Ettihad when I repeatedly tried to draw attention to the game b/f the Mane RC.

Here it's the game b/4 the Salah injury, which LFC shaded, dropping Mane into the #10 role to begin the transition following the press...

In spite of Madrid's ball control, LFC controlled the half spaces which meant RM had to repeatedly reset the build up; no space for Marcello on the right; little space for CR7, etc...

The battle in MF, and by extension the game, prior to the injury, was not about ball control, but dominance of the half spaces


Fair enough. I did not go into detail cos I wznted to address the "gra gra" point mainly.

The purpose of the press it about the next step, which is about dominance of the ball and space, which on turn can lead to creativity especially if the ball is won with plenty of space to exploit.

However with Salah, Liverpool were indeed edging it, but they did not create a chance. Mane in the 10 role was a problem, but it did not hurt Real Madrid in terms of chances or getting the early goal they needed. I always felt Real Madrid handled this phase of play quite well. The resetting of their midfield was a good defensive response. This is one aspect of the game Zidane's Real Madrid does not get enough credit for.

Ball control was what Real Madrid did when they got ball compared to what Liverpool did. Real Madrid mastered the ball best when it mattered. They varied their play making it difficult for Liverpool's pressing. They inter played with short passes across, and between the lines, and went long when they had to. For example, Bale's goal. That was a result of direct play, they did not need numbers, the ball did all the running to the point of Bale's volley.

Zidane was canny. He made the key substitution in the game when he saw he need a pacy outlet to counter the pressing game of Liverpool. The 2nd goal was due to an error by Karius, and to be fair, Liverpool were taking risks defending one on one vos they needed a goal. But that 3rd goal came from Real Madrid escaping the press with another piece of direct play after a duration of ball retention with short quick passing moves in the eye of the press.

What we will never know if Liverpool would have won with Salah on the pitch, but I think would have won. This is why I said Liverpool were very unlucky.

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The YeyeMan wrote:
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One man's pain is another man's pleasure. I'm proud of you man. :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

Nna, we should congratulate Man United for winning the At Least Liverpool Didn't Win A Trophy trophy. :lol: :rotf:


Steeeeevvviiiieeee Gerrrrrraaaaaaaadddddd :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: This defeat hurt your soul deeply, abi? :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: Mourinho at United in 2 seaons has won 3 trophies! Klopp????? :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:

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txj wrote:
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@Tx, Chief Oga at that, a bit of discourse on the abuse down the right (Real's left) and the ineffectual introduction of Adam Lallana.


Marcello only became a factor in the game after Salah left...


Marcelo was already enjoying himself in the first 10minutes he was playing just outside the Liverpool 18 area and even had a scuffed shot at goal. Liverpool were outclassed for the majority of the game


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Waffiman wrote:
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Sad to come this far and lose from two GK errors. Very painful...


The two gk errors hurt but your team was also outclassed in all respects by Madrid. Even when Sallah was in the game, Liverpool didn't create any chances. More over reliance on gra gra.


"Gra gra" is an unfair discription. Nothing rough about the high intensity pressing game.

But I made a comment somewhere about the teams before the game and the midfield.

It is fact, Liverpool run, run and run after the ball, Real Madrid in contrast, let the ball do all the running for them. This key factor was made manifest in that midfield with Modric and Kroos especially.

No disrespect to Henderson and co, but their hustle and pressing did not create a thing. Instead the ball control of the Real Madrid midfield, was the foundation for their victory.



It's quite ignorant to say its gra gra. And it's not designed to necessarily 'create a thing', but to facilitate the next step.

It's a little like the City game at the Ettihad when I repeatedly tried to draw attention to the game b/f the Mane RC.

Here it's the game b/4 the Salah injury, which LFC shaded, dropping Mane into the #10 role to begin the transition following the press...

In spite of Madrid's ball control, LFC controlled the half spaces which meant RM had to repeatedly reset the build up; no space for Marcello on the right; little space for CR7, etc...

The battle in MF, and by extension the game, prior to the injury, was not about ball control, but dominance of the half spaces


Fair enough. I did not go into detail cos I wznted to address the "gra gra" point mainly.

The purpose of the press it about the next step, which is about dominance of the ball and space, which on turn can lead to creativity especially if the ball is won with plenty of space to exploit.

However with Salah, Liverpool were indeed edging it, but they did not create a chance. Mane in the 10 role was a problem, but it did not hurt Real Madrid in terms of chances or getting the early goal they needed. I always felt Real Madrid handled this phase of play quite well. The resetting of their midfield was a good defensive response. This is one aspect of the game Zidane's Real Madrid does not get enough credit for.

Ball control was what Real Madrid did when they got ball compared to what Liverpool did. Real Madrid mastered the ball best when it mattered. They varied their play making it difficult for Liverpool's pressing. They inter played with short passes across, and between the lines, and went long when they had to. For example, Bale's goal. That was a result of direct play, they did not need numbers, the ball did all the running to the point of Bale's volley.

Zidane was canny. He made the key substitution in the game when he saw he need a pacy outlet to counter the pressing game of Liverpool. The 2nd goal was due to an error by Karius, and to be fair, Liverpool were taking risks defending one on one vos they needed a goal. But that 3rd goal came from Real Madrid escaping the press with another piece of direct play after a duration of ball retention with short quick passing moves in the eye of the press.

What we will never know if Liverpool would have won with Salah on the pitch, but I think would have won. This is why I said Liverpool were very unlucky.


They did indeed create chances; all saved by Navas- two from Mane and one from Trent. Their shot pass routine to counter the press was well expected- hence the dominance of the short spaces between the lines. Which is why the biggest miss for LFC going into the game was Ox, because of the next phase where his breakaway pace is decisive.

For me, it was not so much the short pass routine, the decisive factor was the absence of key players which made the tactic ultimately effective. Afterall City are better in the build-up/ball control phase than RM, yet LFC overcame them decisively....

We had luck throughout the series; think we used it all up b/4 the final :biggrin:

On ZZ, his in-game mgt has always been underrated, as one who follows La Liga closely. No team in football has the wealth of talent as Madrid; but nobody has used such wealth of resources as well as ZZ..

The mix of short passing and the strategic long-ball is a thing of beauty. But defensively, LFC controlled much of that until things started going south...

Liverpool need to get into the market big time- not so much in numbers but complementary quality to what it already has...

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@Tx, Chief Oga at that, a bit of discourse on the abuse down the right (Real's left) and the ineffectual introduction of Adam Lallana.


Marcello only became a factor in the game after Salah left...


Marcelo was already enjoying himself in the first 10minutes he was playing just outside the Liverpool 18 area and even had a scuffed shot at goal. Liverpool were outclassed for the majority of the game


Read my exchanges with Waffi so you can learn the game.

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txj wrote:
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txj wrote:
Coach wrote:
@Tx, Chief Oga at that, a bit of discourse on the abuse down the right (Real's left) and the ineffectual introduction of Adam Lallana.


Marcello only became a factor in the game after Salah left...


Marcelo was already enjoying himself in the first 10minutes he was playing just outside the Liverpool 18 area and even had a scuffed shot at goal. Liverpool were outclassed for the majority of the game


Read my exchanges with Waffi so you can learn the game.

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Kai! txj, the Soccer Socrates, biko help us to tell everybody how superior you are :thumbs: . Oga Football Phoolosopher, we all kneel at your feet, and enjoy the wisdoms that flow from your lips, abi na keyboard. We wonder why Liverpool has not hired you as exalted and superior adviser to Klopp? Some people say that those who cant, teach, but we know they are wrong from reading your marvelous works. :thumbs:

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ohsee wrote:
txj wrote:
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txj wrote:
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@Tx, Chief Oga at that, a bit of discourse on the abuse down the right (Real's left) and the ineffectual introduction of Adam Lallana.


Marcello only became a factor in the game after Salah left...


Marcelo was already enjoying himself in the first 10minutes he was playing just outside the Liverpool 18 area and even had a scuffed shot at goal. Liverpool were outclassed for the majority of the game


Read my exchanges with Waffi so you can learn the game.

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Kai! txj, the Soccer Socrates, biko help us to tell everybody how superior you are :thumbs: . Oga Football Phoolosopher, we all kneel at your feet, and enjoy the wisdoms that flow from your lips, abi na keyboard. We wonder why Liverpool has not hired you as exalted and superior adviser to Klopp? Some people say that those who cant, teach, but we know they are wrong from reading your marvelous works. :thumbs:
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ohsee wrote:
txj wrote:
benteke wrote:
txj wrote:
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@Tx, Chief Oga at that, a bit of discourse on the abuse down the right (Real's left) and the ineffectual introduction of Adam Lallana.


Marcello only became a factor in the game after Salah left...


Marcelo was already enjoying himself in the first 10minutes he was playing just outside the Liverpool 18 area and even had a scuffed shot at goal. Liverpool were outclassed for the majority of the game


Read my exchanges with Waffi so you can learn the game.

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Between Waffi's and my comments, there's enough info to educate you about this game.

Beyond that, you'll need to return to Rant and Rave where u belong...

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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2018 4:40 pm 
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Further evidence that Salah was the one initially doing the holding.

You are messing with the conspiracy theory. Just follow the trend of those that 'played up to amateur' who gannered so much experience from doing so. That's how they do it. Plan, execute and those of you who played up to semi amateur can't see what they see. Dey there nah. :sneaky:

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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2018 4:52 pm 
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danfo driver wrote:
For those who are still wondering whether "taking out your opponent is a strategy




Funny how you completely forgot to mention the push in the back by the Liverpool #4 Van Dijk on Ramos leading to the collision.
I suppose that doesnt match your one-sided narrative

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