Pep Guardiola ‘does not like African Players" - Yaya Toure

[Mr. Piffington]

Man City didn't bake Yaya a cake either, they must be racist towards black Africans as well.

[danfo driver]

The argument here is that Pep doesn't like what exactly.

Black people? No... Delph or Mendy, Walker, Dihno, Sane Sterling, Kompany. 6 of his starting 11 when everyone is healthy are black

So not Black people then. Perhaps it's Africans... Wait a minute, he is trying as we speak to wrestle Riyad Mahrez away from Leicester. Considering upwards of 70 million pounds Manchester City's record signing is about to be an African. So no, it's not Afrins or black people that he doesn't like.

It's the Africans born in Africa that he doesn't like - allegedly. I suspect this means black Africans born in Africa. That said, Mahrez was born in France. Although the last time this ish was aired, someone tried to sneak Mangala in on the Africans he doesn't like.

So you are still defending the master?

[cic old boy]

I'm trying to find the quote where pep said african players work hard, i wonder if he also thinks they 'speak so well'

But Africans are meant to be lazy! And I think he was not happy with Yaya's work-rate.

[spastic]

It's difficult to prove racism/prejudice when he hasn't had an explicit moment like Blanc did in 2012(?) and he could very well be a non racist. What I do find disturbing is how forcefully and willingly some have taken to deny racism.

Wait let me try this reasoning out.

I know you are a pedophile. It's difficult to prove because you don't have ant explicit moments like the Subway guy in 2015. However, you could very well not be a pedophile. But what I would find disturbing is if anyone comes forward forcefully and willingly to challenge my opinion of you as a pedophile.

It doesn't take much reasoning power to see how poorly your system works

[cic old boy]

So you are still defending the master?

The Pepmeister mastered your master Borinho by 19 masterful points and it is paining you. It was a Master Blaster Centurion season and WE are hurting.

[danfo driver]

Yes! defend your master! how dare these useless Africans speak ill of the master! How much of a starter was Seydou? and how many Africans has Pep purchased? he has coached 3 teams.

Pep could hate Africans, but Keita's mama won't start him b/4 Xavi and Iniesta.

Who will Kaita's mama start for Bayern and City?

I see you want to run into hiding! lets concentrate on what Yaya said. What do you think about a guy who has known Pep, PERSONALLY FOR CLOSE TO A DECADE, saying that Pep hates YOU, YOUR FAMILY, YOUR PEOPLE! What do you think about that??

The Mourinho that you hate with a passion married an African woman and goes to Africa for humanitarian work. Essien called him, and he ran to Ghana to help out! While your master, Pep, hates you and your family! I am sorry for you. Deeply sorry.


You will sell your whole village into slavery, if it means you support your master, Pep.

Kaycee2g = okokobioko = yaya = danfo driver. Why the reference to family?

I had you on my ignore list, but I have gone back and read your posts in reference to me that I missed cos you were in my ignore list. You were way out of line. Why this unprovoked reference to family?

Taken you off my ignore list open a thread, here you are doing what you have done consistently here for years. The fact that you are tolerated should not mean you take liberty for licence.

I think it is time we say enough is enough.

That is a very loose interpretation of familial insults/attacks/references.

I am shocked you took time out of your day to respond to a cursed imbecile who has no home training. This wretched fooker, Wafoolishman, who is a 13 year old girl blocking and unblocking boys online Who spent the whole of last week insulting Kajifu is here opening his smelly mouth.

Abeg ignore the short man devil. na you get time. I read his post and just laughed at the imbecile. At the age of almost 60, still acting like the 13 year old girl he has acted like all his life. Thats why he has refused to grow all his life. cursed dunce from Warri.

[cic old boy]

It's difficult to prove racism/prejudice when he hasn't had an explicit moment like Blanc did in 2012(?) and he could very well be a non racist. What I do find disturbing is how forcefully and willingly some have taken to deny racism.

It is even more difficult to prove when there is a history of favouring black players over white. What would be disturbing is if people accepted racism or whatever you choose to call not wanting African players but wanting blacks born outside Africa, where the case is tenuous. The fight against racism is undermined by crying wolf just on the basis of hurt feelings.

[spastic]

thought you said you were gone until august? they are attacking racist pep! i must return!

We'll the moment I saw the claim, I knew City would be popular here this week. In fairness, I was going to return for the juice ' who should start, who should not discussion' in re the Eagles. But I thought all things City were done. Clearly I was wrong. Yaya has spoken, Im back to speak common sense to the uncommonly inclined.

[danfo driver]

The argument here is that Pep doesn't like what exactly.

Black people? No... Delph or Mendy, Walker, Dihno, Sane Sterling, Kompany. 6 of his starting 11 when everyone is healthy are black

So not Black people then. Perhaps it's Africans... Wait a minute, he is trying as we speak to wrestle Riyad Mahrez away from Leicester. Considering upwards of 70 million pounds Manchester City's record signing is about to be an African. So no, it's not Afrins or black people that he doesn't like.

thought you said you were gone until august? they are attacking racist pep! i must return!

Captain House Negro has to run in to support the master!

[airwolex]

The argument here is that Pep doesn't like what exactly.

Black people? No... Delph or Mendy, Walker, Dihno, Sane Sterling, Kompany. 6 of his starting 11 when everyone is healthy are black

So not Black people then. Perhaps it's Africans... Wait a minute, he is trying as we speak to wrestle Riyad Mahrez away from Leicester. Considering upwards of 70 million pounds Manchester City's record signing is about to be an African. So no, it's not Afrins or black people that he doesn't like.

thought you said you were gone until august? they are attacking racist pep! i must return!

Captain House Negro has to run in to support the master!

[spastic]

It's difficult to prove racism/prejudice when he hasn't had an explicit moment like Blanc did in 2012(?) and he could very well be a non racist. What I do find disturbing is how forcefully and willingly some have taken to deny racism.

It is even more difficult to prove when there is a history of favouring black players over white. What would be disturbing is if people accepted racism or whatever you choose to call not wanting African players but wanting blacks born outside Africa, where the case is tenuous. The fight against racism is undermined by crying wolf just on the basis of hurt feelings.

I mean if Pep had benched a black player of Aguero's caliber... And again let's be clear as to what Aguero is.. Aguero is the most prolific striker in the history of English football.

Imagine a black Aguero being benched for some young 19 yearold white Gabriel Jesus from Germany This would have been proof Pep was a KKK admiral.

Yet, the very opposite doesn't even raise the benefit of the doubt. It is an Illness when an ideology runs so deep that it begins to require the absence of evidence as it's proof.

Clearly, by benching the most prolific striker in the history of England Pep was simply trying to Camoflage his later racist benching of Yaya Toure.

The fact that Yaya couldn't hold a candle to any of Silva, Debryune or Fernandihno is of no relevance to those who see a clear sign of Pep the 'blacfricanist'

[heavyd]

yaya is lying

AN12 is also lying

Last season pain you well well - Centurions, 19 points behind, DNQ..

Your dimunitive absence has been greatly appreciated.

It is possible that Yaya is telling the truth. It is possible that Eto'o is telling the truth. It is also possible that it is sour grapes. None of us were in the dressing rooms with the teams. What we have to decide is what is reasonable in the circumstances. The trouble is that most of you can't reason.

The first thing that casts doubt for me is the claim that he just doesn't like Africans, but seems to have no problem with Africans born elsewhere - the Brazilians, the French, Alaba, etc. I don't know racists that make that distinction. So it is likely he is not a racist. For e.g. he prefers Jesus to Aguero b/c Jesus hustles. But some of us like to think he prefers Jesus to Kelechi b/c Kelechi is African.

The second issue is the players he had problems with. The only player he got rid of that didn't really deserve to go was Yaya at Barca. Yaya was better than Busquets at the time. But there were other factors - he lost his place after going to the ANC, Busquets is a product of the system, followed Pep from the B team, his dad played with Pep and was an assistant, City put £300k a week on the table.

Eto'o on purely footballing terms should have stayed longer at Barca. When Pep was appointed they finished 3rd. The talk was that Rijkaard couldn't control the dressing room. There were 3 disruptive influences there - Ronaldinho, Eto'o and Deco. Pep said all three had to go. In the end, he decided to keep Eto'o for one more season. So how is this a case of not liking Africans, when Eto'o lasted longer than the other 2 musketeers?

Hard to argue in favour of Kelechi. Keita was bought by Pep and served them well, but not as a regular. His preferred positions were occupied by Xavi and Iniesta. Someone mentioned Bony. He didn't cut it at Stoke and Swansea and Pep is meant to keep him at City??

The thing is, Pep has had issues with African players (and others - Ibra, Hart, etc) and apart from Keita, hasn't signed any. So there is something that looks like a pattern here. It is possible that he has a problem with Africans. I have tried to explore what the problem could be, assuming there is one. But it is hard to reason with people who can't reason.

Well put bro...
I have read this thread with an increasing feeling of sadness at the way some people's false support of fellow race clouds their sense of reason. They are doing the exact same thing GOP or Trump supporters do when confronted with reasoned arguments.
Its quite worrying...
Yaya is an African Legend... will always be in my eyes but he is running the risk of tarnishing his image with these outbursts.
The one against Aubameyang a couple of years ago was particularly disturbing as it pointed to someone who while appearing on the outside very humble and down to earth is actually quite narcissistic and self absorbed.
If Joe Hart was black only God knows what people will be insinuating...

[balo]

Yaya's agent:

[tfco]

why the speech and the fence sitting?

i just stated that Yaya and AN12 are lying. You've written paragraphs to defend your master

Again, Yaya....is lying. So is AN12

See what I mean! Reasoning isn't OUR forte. I defend the facts and not people. The fact is it is possible the man doesn't like Africans and it is possible that the people complaining are doing so b/c he got rid of them. So reasonable people examine the circumstances in each case. But we are not dealing with reasonable people here.

well then, let's be reasonable

Yaya is lying
AN12 is lying

simple reasoning

[Al B Sure]

Yaya Toure at 35 is not good enough to be a starter for Manchester City. Simple really

[cic old boy]

well then, let's be reasonable

Yaya is lying
AN12 is lying

simple reasoning

Quit writing like a 5 year old. Take a position and explain why you took your position. You may convince somebody. If you think he hates Africans, explain why so and what makes Africans born in Africa less worthy than those born elsewhere. It is quite possible that he hates Africans, but the people complaining are two disgruntled ex-employees.

[niyi]

well then, let's be reasonable

Yaya is lying
AN12 is lying

simple reasoning

Quit writing like a 5 year old. Take a position and explain why you took your position. You may convince somebody. If you think he hates Africans, explain why so and what makes Africans born in Africa less worthy than those born elsewhere. It is quite possible that he hates Africans, but the people complaining are two disgruntled ex-employees.

Please stop CIC. Guardiola is not a family member or a friend to you so I don't get why you're defending him so hard.

Does being disgruntled make their complains less worthy? This is the usual $#% people say to women who complain about harrassment in the work place. The two disgruntled employees are probably the two best players in the history of African football without a history of accusing other coaches of racism. You keep talking about this as if racism can't be specific. Didn't Westham have a specific policy against African players too?

On an anecdotal note, I know a person who is specifically racist to Chinese people who come to America for undergraduate education and decide to stay for graduate studies. He isn't against Chinese people born in the US or those who come to the US specifically for graduate education. His reasoning is that many of them just go to grad school not because they want to but because they want to stay longer in the US. So please miss me with this "he has black friends" sh*t.

[danfo driver]

well then, let's be reasonable

Yaya is lying
AN12 is lying

simple reasoning

Quit writing like a 5 year old. Take a position and explain why you took your position. You may convince somebody. If you think he hates Africans, explain why so and what makes Africans born in Africa less worthy than those born elsewhere. It is quite possible that he hates Africans, but the people complaining are two disgruntled ex-employees.

This coming from Mr. post picture? You are one funny base-ball-shirt-wearing-uncle.

Imagine if this was Mourinho??!!

[danfo driver]

well then, let's be reasonable

Yaya is lying
AN12 is lying

simple reasoning

Quit writing like a 5 year old. Take a position and explain why you took your position. You may convince somebody. If you think he hates Africans, explain why so and what makes Africans born in Africa less worthy than those born elsewhere. It is quite possible that he hates Africans, but the people complaining are two disgruntled ex-employees.

Please stop CIC. Guardiola is not a family member or a friend to you so I don't get why you're defending him so hard.

Does being disgruntled make their complains less worthy? This is the usual $#% people say to women who complain about harrassment in the work place. The two disgruntled employees are probably the two best players in the history of African football without a history of accusing other coaches of racism. You keep talking about this as if racism can't be specific. Didn't Westham have a specific policy against African players too?

On an anecdotal note, I know a person who is specifically racist to Chinese people who come to America for undergraduate education and decide to stay for graduate studies. He isn't against Chinese people born in the US or those who come to the US specifically for graduate education. His reasoning is that many of them just go to grad school not because they want to but because they want to stay longer in the US. So please miss me with this "he has black friends" sh*t.

CIC will give his life for the master!

[platinum]

well then, let's be reasonable

Yaya is lying
AN12 is lying

simple reasoning

Quit writing like a 5 year old. Take a position and explain why you took your position. You may convince somebody. If you think he hates Africans, explain why so and what makes Africans born in Africa less worthy than those born elsewhere. It is quite possible that he hates Africans, but the people complaining are two disgruntled ex-employees.

Please stop CIC. Guardiola is not a family member or a friend to you so I don't get why you're defending him so hard.

Does being disgruntled make their complains less worthy? This is the usual $#% people say to women who complain about harrassment in the work place. The two disgruntled employees are probably the two best players in the history of African football without a history of accusing other coaches of racism. You keep talking about this as if racism can't be specific. Didn't Westham have a specific policy against African players too?

On an anecdotal note, I know a person who is specifically racist to Chinese people who come to America for undergraduate education and decide to stay for graduate studies. He isn't against Chinese people born in the US or those who come to the US specifically for graduate education. His reasoning is that many of them just go to grad school not because they want to but because they want to stay longer in the US. So please miss me with this "he has black friends" sh*t.

niyi, that's not what racism is.

As far as this whole thing goes, again Pep has shown a dislike for STRONG characters, color regardless. Zlatan isn't African from Africa last time I checked. Could Pep be racist? It's possible, it wouldn't surprise me but this example really boggles the mind.
Meanwhile, we know Yaya is a case of his own, I like him, nice guy and very personable but when he throws tantrums, they are not small ones. Going around crying about CAF POTY awards and disrespecting the one who won it, crying about birthday cakes, claiming his DUI was pawpaw juice or whatever that rubbish was. It's not the first time he's thrown his toys out of the pram and the problem is always elsewhere and never him. Meanwhile, I don't think anyone here really disagrees with him being stapled to the bench.

As I said earlier, instead of educating the forum, this thread has become a Pep lovers v Pep haters/personal forum members lifelong squabble of a thread and the discourse has thrown a lot of truth or logic is out the window.

[danfo driver]

well then, let's be reasonable

Yaya is lying
AN12 is lying

simple reasoning

Quit writing like a 5 year old. Take a position and explain why you took your position. You may convince somebody. If you think he hates Africans, explain why so and what makes Africans born in Africa less worthy than those born elsewhere. It is quite possible that he hates Africans, but the people complaining are two disgruntled ex-employees.

Please stop CIC. Guardiola is not a family member or a friend to you so I don't get why you're defending him so hard.

Does being disgruntled make their complains less worthy? This is the usual $#% people say to women who complain about harrassment in the work place. The two disgruntled employees are probably the two best players in the history of African football without a history of accusing other coaches of racism. You keep talking about this as if racism can't be specific. Didn't Westham have a specific policy against African players too?

On an anecdotal note, I know a person who is specifically racist to Chinese people who come to America for undergraduate education and decide to stay for graduate studies. He isn't against Chinese people born in the US or those who come to the US specifically for graduate education. His reasoning is that many of them just go to grad school not because they want to but because they want to stay longer in the US. So please miss me with this "he has black friends" sh*t.

niyi, that's not what racism is.

As far as this whole thing goes, again Pep has shown a dislike for STRONG characters, color regardless. Zlatan isn't African from Africa last time I checked. Could Pep be racist? It's possible, it wouldn't surprise me but this example really boggles the mind.
Meanwhile, we know Yaya is a case of his own, I like him, nice guy and very personable but when he throws tantrums, they are not small ones. Going around crying about CAF POTY awards and disrespecting the one who won it, crying about birthday cakes, claiming his DUI was pawpaw juice or whatever that rubbish was. It's not the first time he's thrown his toys out of the pram and the problem is always elsewhere and never him. Meanwhile, I don't think anyone here really disagrees with him being stapled to the bench.

As I said earlier, instead of educating the forum, this thread has become a Pep lovers v Pep haters/personal forum members lifelong squabble of a thread and the discourse has thrown a lot of truth or logic is out the window.

First of, I dont think he called Pep racist. Please, post it so that we can confirm.

Secondly, it is true that Ibra called Pep a weakling and a spineless coward. But can it also be argued that Pep does not like Africans because they have strong characters? Or are you one of those who thinks Africans are weak and spineless cowards who kowtow?

Secondly, why dont you look at the issue Yaya is speaking about? He raised a very straightforward issue of Pep having 5 Africans and he will buy him a cake! Mourinho once had Drogba, Essien, Mikel, Geremi and Salomon Kalou ALL IN THE SAME SQUAD!! . We can look back to the likes of Wenger and see Lauren, Kanu, Toure etc etc all in the same squad.

CAN YOU SAY THE SAME FOR PEP???

How many Africans has Pep bought? We all know the Africans he uses are the ones "he meets at the club."

Anyway, this conversation is a waste of my time. I just needed to prove to everyone that the likes of CIC will defend their master with their life and even unearth disparaging things to humiliate any African who speaks ill about the master. And they did. We all saw the things they said about Kele, Yaya, Keita and Eto'o. But they told us to "wait for more evidence before we speak about" the master. That was all i wanted to prove. And i did. O pa ri o!

[anikulapo]

It's difficult to prove racism/prejudice when he hasn't had an explicit moment like Blanc did in 2012(?) and he could very well be a non racist. What I do find disturbing is how forcefully and willingly some have taken to deny racism.

Wait let me try this reasoning out.

I know you are a pedophile. It's difficult to prove because you don't have ant explicit moments like the Subway guy in 2015. However, you could very well not be a pedophile. But what I would find disturbing is if anyone comes forward forcefully and willingly to challenge my opinion of you as a pedophile.

It doesn't take much reasoning power to see how poorly your system works

Spastic ???

WTF

[danfo driver]

These were Mourinho's comments when he went to Ilorin, Nigeria:

http://www.gistmania.com/talk/topic,17224.0.html


Pep wouldnt even touch you people with a long pole. he despises you and your families, yet you are here twerking on his lap. slaves.