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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 7:56 pm 
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http://owngoalnigeria.com/2018/06/12/ea ... d-musa-in/


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owngoal fabricated :boo:


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 8:06 pm 
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No problem for me so long as Moses is dropped to RWB (his Chelsea role) given I expect us to line up in a 352. But I'd rather have Iheanacho than Musa as Ighalo's partner.

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Hmmmmm.

Its not really so much a fabrication, its based on how the teams lined up in warmups which has been indicative of the starters in the previous matches.

Both teams lined up 433. I dont think Musa is suited for a 433, he would do better in the 532 role, where he would have less playmaking responsibilities, which frankly he sucks at. Would much rather Nacho replaced Moses, if he needs to be dropped. I hope Rohr knows what he is doing.

Teams lined up like this


A TEAM


*********************************UZOHO**************************************


EBUEHI*****************BALOGUN*************OMERUO********************IDOWU


***************************ETEBO**********NDIDI*****************************


*********************************MIKEL**************************************

MUSA*****************************************************************IWOBI

***********************************IGHALO***********************************


B TEAM

***********************************EZENWA***********************************


SHEHU********************TROOST***************AWAZIEM***************ECHIJELE


****************************JOEL*************ONAZI****************************


************************************OGU***************************************

MOSES****************************************************************IHEANACHO

************************************NWANKWO***********************************



To me this suggests a few things.

1. Rohr has not given up on the 433 and is seriously considering it.

2. It would appear that Rohr is having second thoughts about
a) who is the best partner for Balogun, perhaps Omeruo to stake a claim, but seriously I doubt it
b) Moses he clearly identifies is not living up to his potential and is considering Musa. Though I seriously doubt Musa will start over Moses because the gap in quality between the two is just too much. Now if we had Onyekuru or even Simon Moses, I think Moses being benched would be much more likely.

I can only see Musa being effective in a 532 with him as a second striker. Musa is notorious for straying offside as well which is very annoying given his speed.


What I like is that Rohr clearly sees Etebo as a legitimate option to start in midfield especially if Iwobi is placed on the wings in a 433.

Etebo to me is the guy who may have a breakout performance this WC.

While everyone is looking to Mikel, Ndidi, or Iwobi, it may yet be Etebo to play a key role.

I also think that Ebuehi may play a key role in our success. The apparent dropping of Shehu for him is a big step forward for us. His speed combined with his willingness to join the attack, his ability to cover opposition and ability to pocket players like DiMaria is very key. He will be going up against Perisic, and I am much more at ease with him there than Shehu, who would be a disaster IMO.

So far in order of importance to the team, I rank the players as follows.

1. Mikel
2. Iwobi
3. Ndidi
4. Victor Moses
5. Balogun


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 8:33 pm 
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4-3-3 ke?
Do you see how thin we are in the middle. Rohr will not learn. Then people wonder why we are playing disjointed football.


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vancity eagle wrote:
Hmmmmm.

Its not really so much a fabrication, its based on how the teams lined up in warmups which has been indicative of the starters in the previous matches.

Both teams lined up 433. I dont think Musa is suited for a 433, he would do better in the 532 role, where he would have less playmaking responsibilities, which frankly he sucks at. Would much rather Nacho replaced Moses, if he needs to be dropped. I hope Rohr knows what he is doing.

Teams lined up like this


A TEAM


*********************************UZOHO**************************************


EBUEHI*****************BALOGUN*************OMERUO********************IDOWU


***************************ETEBO**********NDIDI*****************************


*********************************MIKEL**************************************

MUSA*****************************************************************IWOBI

***********************************IGHALO***********************************


B TEAM

***********************************EZENWA***********************************


SHEHU********************TROOST***************AWAZIEM***************ECHIJELE


****************************JOEL*************ONAZI****************************


************************************OGU***************************************

MOSES****************************************************************IHEANACHO

************************************NWANKWO***********************************



To me this suggests a few things.

1. Rohr has not given up on the 433 and is seriously considering it.

2. It would appear that Rohr is having second thoughts about
a) who is the best partner for Balogun, perhaps Omeruo to stake a claim, but seriously I doubt it
b) Moses he clearly identifies is not living up to his potential and is considering Musa. Though I seriously doubt Musa will start over Moses because the gap in quality between the two is just too much. Now if we had Onyekuru or even Simon Moses, I think Moses being benched would be much more likely.

I can only see Musa being effective in a 532 with him as a second striker. Musa is notorious for straying offside as well which is very annoying given his speed.


What I like is that Rohr clearly sees Etebo as a legitimate option to start in midfield especially if Iwobi is placed on the wings in a 433.

Etebo to me is the guy who may have a breakout performance this WC.

While everyone is looking to Mikel, Ndidi, or Iwobi, it may yet be Etebo to play a key role.

I also think that Ebuehi may play a key role in our success. The apparent dropping of Shehu for him is a big step forward for us. His speed combined with his willingness to join the attack, his ability to cover opposition and ability to pocket players like DiMaria is very key. He will be going up against Perisic, and I am much more at ease with him there than Shehu, who would be a disaster IMO.

So far in order of importance to the team, I rank the players as follows.

1. Mikel
2. Iwobi
3. Ndidi
4. Victor Moses
5. Balogun


Interesting point - except that I have personal doubt about Etebo being as good as we think he is. I will gladly eat humble pie on this one as me being wrong will benefit Nigeria.


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Robotnik wrote:
4-3-3 ke?
Do you see how thin we are in the middle. Rohr will not learn. Then people wonder why we are playing disjointed football.



how?

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danfo driver wrote:
Robotnik wrote:
4-3-3 ke?
Do you see how thin we are in the middle. Rohr will not learn. Then people wonder why we are playing disjointed football.



how?


I hope we are talking about 4-2-3-1
In a strict 4-3-3 one disadvantage is that the player are not a close and compact


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Robotnik wrote:
danfo driver wrote:
Robotnik wrote:
4-3-3 ke?
Do you see how thin we are in the middle. Rohr will not learn. Then people wonder why we are playing disjointed football.



how?


I hope we are talking about 4-2-3-1
In a strict 4-3-3 one disadvantage is that the player are not a close and compact


Actually, a proper 433 is more compact and defensively stout than a 4231. And we have a lot of CMs to execute a 433 if that is what Rohr wants to do. Onazi, Mikel, Ndidi, Etebo, Ogu and Joel. That's 6 CMs for 3 jobs. This partly explains why he's gone with the 352 (which can also use 3 CMs).

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Musa's form of late has been good. His confidence is back. I think he'll be one of our better performers again this WC. There's something about Moses and underperforming at WCs. He'll click back bay God's grace.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 11:11 pm 
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Not that simple. So we are to believe that he is also dropping William Ekong? That is we are to go by lineups alone.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 11:17 pm 
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So....true story

I couldn't watch the Czech game live so I followed comments on here, which seemed to imply our attack was impotent. My feeling was that Rohr needed to "blow things up" up there, and replace Moses with Musa - whose penetration is much more direct.

When I finally did watch the game, I tabled those thoughts. Moses did fine....I do think Rohr should keep Musa on the ready though. They are very different players, and one may be more useful than the other from time to time

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owngoal fabricated :boo:


Seems like Owngoal is part of NFF attempt to misinform our opponents... :tic:

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Enugu II wrote:
Not that simple. So we are to believe that he is also dropping William Ekong? That is we are to go by lineups alone.



Exactly, no way Rohr is leaving Vic mo and Ekong out of the first 11, unless he is trying to lose on purpose


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Sam Audu reported this

Super Eagles training in Essentuki

Samm Audu reports this based on training session...

Likely #SuperEagles starting XI was Uzoho- Idowu, Ebuehi, Omeruo, Balogun- Ndidi, Etebo- Ahmed Musa, Mikel, Iwobi - Ighalo #WorldCup #NGA




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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 12:05 am 
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9jaMan wrote:
Enugu II wrote:
Not that simple. So we are to believe that he is also dropping William Ekong? That is we are to go by lineups alone.



Exactly, no way Rohr is leaving Vic mo and Ekong out of the first 11, unless he is trying to lose on purpose


You never know. Ekong may have picked up a knock. Also, in as much as he has improved a lot for the SE over the last 2 years, he is still a couple of notches below Awaziem and Balogun in terms of ability in the CD position, in my opinion.

Moses has simply not looked interested in the friendlies. Mostly jogging and strolling around. Even though most on here had said he would turn it on come game day, I had written that Rohr should drop him to the bench, if only to make a statement, and especially if he had that same attitude in training.

The only question now is if Musa can deliver?

Of course, none of this is certain, but Sam Audu is probably the most respected Nigerian sports journalist out there.


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Recently, on another thread, I asked CE to apologize to Owngoal because they were spot on and beat even KOC to recent SE related matters. Looks like this time, they have good sources in the current set up.

Una remember Inner Caucus getting all the SE news way back then? Sometimes sources dry up.

I fit tell una now say this own goal story is consistent with what my people on the ground told me about Moses performance so far. I even reminded them that Keshi had to drop him during WC 2014.

He needs to transfer his Chelsea respect and disciplined plays to SE. Lighting fire in his yansh will do us good.

Kudos to Rohr for wanting to change a losing team.

Dem tell me say the training na helele and one injury prone player wey they fear injury almost fight Kele when Kele tackle am.

Cmoke :D :D :D :D :D


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Who would you rather have running at Lovren - Musa or Moses? I will take Musa over Moses for this role 99% of the time. Go figure..ask Argentina how it feels like going against Musa.

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Cmoke wrote:
Recently, on another thread, I asked CE to apologize to Owngoal because they were spot on and beat even KOC to recent SE related matters. Looks like this time, they have good sources in the current set up.

Una remember Inner Caucus getting all the SE news way back then? Sometimes sources dry up.

I fit tell una now say this own goal story is consistent with what my people on the ground told me about Moses performance so far. I even reminded them that Keshi had to drop him during WC 2014.

He needs to transfer his Chelsea respect and disciplined plays to SE. Lighting fire in his yansh will do us good.

Kudos to Rohr for wanting to change a losing team.

Dem tell me say the training na helele and one injury prone player wey they fear injury almost fight Kele when Kele tackle am.

Cmoke :D :D :D :D :D


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owngoal fabricated :boo:


This!

BTW, Senior, you dey go Russia?

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Cmoke wrote:
Recently, on another thread, I asked CE to apologize to Owngoal because they were spot on and beat even KOC to recent SE related matters. Looks like this time, they have good sources in the current set up.

Una remember Inner Caucus getting all the SE news way back then? Sometimes sources dry up.

I fit tell una now say this own goal story is consistent with what my people on the ground told me about Moses performance so far. I even reminded them that Keshi had to drop him during WC 2014.

He needs to transfer his Chelsea respect and disciplined plays to SE. Lighting fire in his yansh will do us good.

Kudos to Rohr for wanting to change a losing team.

Dem tell me say the training na helele and one injury prone player wey they fear injury almost fight Kele when Kele tackle am.

Cmoke :D :D :D :D :D


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owngoal fabricated :boo:


:lol: :lol: :lol:

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