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1naija wrote:

YemiBrazil wrote:He should stop being unnecessarily over-academic by complicating simple things - we played series of friendlies. We all saw what happens each time we shift to 3-5-2. I am not an expert on football formations but what we all saw was the fact that our team was always way more comfortable with that formation. How our Einsteins arrive at how it won't work against Croatia is what I don't understand. When you allow our players play formations that they are comfortable with they will confuse even the inventor of the formation with the way they will use it to adapt to different opponents. Do your tweaks but let these boys play to their strength. There is only going to be one World Cup winner so let's have fun and fight it out till the end. At least if we crash out we know we gave our very best not shackled by some stupid formation.

For once we say the truth!.

We should have just stopped right there and save all the wasted space we could have been reserved for experts like me.

zee wrote:Rohr didn't pick this team nor the tactics his own.
The senior players read the riot act to the football coward........'WE WANT AND WILL PLAY AS NIGERIANS IN THE REMAINING MATCHES'.

YemiBrazil wrote:

Lolly wrote:

YemiBrazil wrote:Lolly, really??????

Yes. You no sabi ball. Take it from someone who is a coach and re-watches games over and over.

https://www.coachesvoice.com/tactics-cr ... ric-moses/

I can bet you have not seen half of live matches and trainings that I've seen seen across 4 continents

1naija wrote:

YemiBrazil wrote:He should stop being unnecessarily over-academic by complicating simple things - we played series of friendlies. We all saw what happens each time we shift to 3-5-2. I am not an expert on football formations but what we all saw was the fact that our team was always way more comfortable with that formation. How our Einsteins arrive at how it won't work against Croatia is what I don't understand. When you allow our players play formations that they are comfortable with they will confuse even the inventor of the formation with the way they will use it to adapt to different opponents. Do your tweaks but let these boys play to their strength. There is only going to be one World Cup winner so let's have fun and fight it out till the end. At least if we crash out we know we gave our very best not shackled by some stupid formation.

For once we say the truth!.

We should have just stopped right there and save all the wasted space we could have been reserved for experts like me.

YemiBrazil wrote:

Lolly wrote:

YemiBrazil wrote:Lolly, really??????

Yes. You no sabi ball. Take it from someone who is a coach and re-watches games over and over.

https://www.coachesvoice.com/tactics-cr ... ric-moses/

I can bet you have not seen half of live matches and trainings that I've seen seen across 4 continents

Lolly wrote:

YemiBrazil wrote:

Lolly wrote:

YemiBrazil wrote:Lolly, really??????

Yes. You no sabi ball. Take it from someone who is a coach and re-watches games over and over.

https://www.coachesvoice.com/tactics-cr ... ric-moses/

I can bet you have not seen half of live matches and trainings that I've seen seen across 4 continents

I have been going to stadium watching Nigeria and our clubs since 1972, all Africa Games. I have been to U-17, U-20 and senior Word Cup matches across continents. I am a regular at SE camps and attend most of their training sessions when they are in Europe. I also get coaching certificate. And lastly, I play ball small - Pricipals cup, Unilag and Christian league in the UK. I am not Mr 10 pointer.

YemiBrazil wrote:

Lolly wrote:

YemiBrazil wrote:Lolly, really??????

Yes. You no sabi ball. Take it from someone who is a coach and re-watches games over and over.

https://www.coachesvoice.com/tactics-cr ... ric-moses/

I can bet you have not seen half of live matches and trainings that I've seen seen across 4 continents

metalalloy wrote:

YemiBrazil wrote:

Lolly wrote:

YemiBrazil wrote:Lolly, really??????

Yes. You no sabi ball. Take it from someone who is a coach and re-watches games over and over.

https://www.coachesvoice.com/tactics-cr ... ric-moses/

I can bet you have not seen half of live matches and trainings that I've seen seen across 4 continents

Fair enough, just remember that inanimate objects like flagpost and goal post also "see" countless live matches and "trainings" everyday. There is no difference between their ability to process what they "see" and yours

mate wrote:

YemiBrazil wrote:

Lolly wrote:

YemiBrazil wrote:Lolly, really??????

Yes. You no sabi ball. Take it from someone who is a coach and re-watches games over and over.

https://www.coachesvoice.com/tactics-cr ... ric-moses/

I can bet you have not seen half of live matches and trainings that I've seen seen across 4 continents

Good stuff Lolly. I just would highlight that things get opportunistically fluid. Croatia played a lot in depth against Nigeria, relying on possession, making opportunistic forays. It's not like chess, 4 white pawns vs 1 orange pawn arrayed statically, not that you don't know this.

I just think if Nigeria committed more men and time to attack, we'd have had even more quality counterattacks.

YemiBrazil wrote:

Lolly wrote:

YemiBrazil wrote:

Lolly wrote:

YemiBrazil wrote:Lolly, really??????

Yes. You no sabi ball. Take it from someone who is a coach and re-watches games over and over.

https://www.coachesvoice.com/tactics-cr ... ric-moses/

I can bet you have not seen half of live matches and trainings that I've seen seen across 4 continents

I have been going to stadium watching Nigeria and our clubs since 1972, all Africa Games. I have been to U-17, U-20 and senior Word Cup matches across continents. I am a regular at SE camps and attend most of their training sessions when they are in Europe. I also get coaching certificate. And lastly, I play ball small - Pricipals cup, Unilag and Christian league in the UK. I am not Mr 10 pointer.

Yet you have never seen 4-2-4 tested against 3-5-2? Your christian league may be a good place to test it out and see for yourself how easy it is?

osita wrote:I am still not comfortable with his decisions, why did he remove Etebo when Mikel was showing tiredness? And brought in Igahol to replace kelechi?

Against Argentina, his luck will run out if he tried that. Congrats to the team

john12 wrote:The first game wasn’t FORMATION abeg just Admit that a BETTER team won

Lolly wrote:

mate wrote:

YemiBrazil wrote:

Lolly wrote:

YemiBrazil wrote:Lolly, really??????

Yes. You no sabi ball. Take it from someone who is a coach and re-watches games over and over.

https://www.coachesvoice.com/tactics-cr ... ric-moses/

I can bet you have not seen half of live matches and trainings that I've seen seen across 4 continents

Good stuff Lolly. I just would highlight that things get opportunistically fluid. Croatia played a lot in depth against Nigeria, relying on possession, making opportunistic forays. It's not like chess, 4 white pawns vs 1 orange pawn arrayed statically, not that you don't know this.

I just think if Nigeria committed more men and time to attack, we'd have had even more quality counterattacks.

That is what I have been trying to tell our internet coaches. We would have chopped so many goals.

Lolly wrote:

YemiBrazil wrote:

Lolly wrote:

YemiBrazil wrote:

Lolly wrote:

YemiBrazil wrote:Lolly, really??????

Yes. You no sabi ball. Take it from someone who is a coach and re-watches games over and over.

https://www.coachesvoice.com/tactics-cr ... ric-moses/

I can bet you have not seen half of live matches and trainings that I've seen seen across 4 continents

I have been going to stadium watching Nigeria and our clubs since 1972, all Africa Games. I have been to U-17, U-20 and senior Word Cup matches across continents. I am a regular at SE camps and attend most of their training sessions when they are in Europe. I also get coaching certificate. And lastly, I play ball small - Pricipals cup, Unilag and Christian league in the UK. I am not Mr 10 pointer.

Yet you have never seen 4-2-4 tested against 3-5-2? Your christian league may be a good place to test it out and see for yourself how easy it is?

We saw it yesterday against Argentina.

1naija wrote:Can those who have admitted they don't know what they are talking about please do the honorable thing and leave the thread? Thanks.

john12 wrote:If we had lost this game the USUAL crooks, pimps, oloshos would had 100% blame rohr but we won and they’re saying that senior players were responsible for the VICTORY. Chai! Typical Nigerians never want to admit they were wrong

YemiBrazil wrote:

Lolly wrote:

mate wrote:

YemiBrazil wrote:

Lolly wrote:

YemiBrazil wrote:Lolly, really??????

Yes. You no sabi ball. Take it from someone who is a coach and re-watches games over and over.

https://www.coachesvoice.com/tactics-cr ... ric-moses/

I can bet you have not seen half of live matches and trainings that I've seen seen across 4 continents

Good stuff Lolly. I just would highlight that things get opportunistically fluid. Croatia played a lot in depth against Nigeria, relying on possession, making opportunistic forays. It's not like chess, 4 white pawns vs 1 orange pawn arrayed statically, not that you don't know this.

I just think if Nigeria committed more men and time to attack, we'd have had even more quality counterattacks.

That is what I have been trying to tell our internet coaches. We would have chopped so many goals.

Except that committing more men and time under a comfortable 3-5-2 won't give you any space for counter attacks. The 3-5-2 morphs into different linear numbers depending on whether you are attacking, building up or defending. In Brazil, Corinthians of the 2000s perfected 3-5-2 with wing backs while ultra conservative Internacionale had 3-5-2 that leaned more towards 5-3-2 for most of the game. The flexibility of 3-5-2 is the reason why conventional footballers don't like it.
For some strange reason, the current bunch of SE players appear to be very comfortable with it and we see even the complicated 'morphings' done very easily during 2nd half of some of those uncomfortable friendlies that we played.
It is not that complicated guys

YemiBrazil wrote:

1naija wrote:Can those who have admitted they don't know what they are talking about please do the honorable thing and leave the thread? Thanks.

Uncle, they never serve you the celebratory JW ni??

Lolly wrote:

Cellular wrote:

Lolly wrote:

YemiBrazil wrote:

mystic wrote:

YemiBrazil wrote:He should stop being unnecessarily over-academic by complicating simple things - we played series of friendlies. We all saw what happens each time we shift to 3-5-2. I am not an expert on football formations but what we all saw was the fact that our team was always way more comfortable with that formation. How our Einsteins arrive at how it won't work against Croatia is what I don't understand. When you allow our players play formations that they are comfortable with they will confuse even the inventor of the formation with the way they will use it to adapt to different opponents. Do your tweaks but let these boys play to their strength. There is only going to be one World Cup winner so let's have fun and fight it out till the end. At least if we crash out we know we gave our very best not shackled by some stupid formation.

We're capable in different formations. Issue in the first game wasn't formation.

Yes we were capable in different formations but much more capable with 3-5-2. We all saw that during previous matches. The issue in the first game was formation - based on our past matches.

Croatia came with a 4-2-4 formation and it would have been suicidal playing 3-5-2.

Lolly, I beg to disagree. Against Croatia we should have adjusted to a 352. They played too deep and had their playmaker Modric playing deep with 2 CM in front of him. 3-5-2 allows you to isolate defenders one-on-one in the flanks.

With our personnel, 352 is the best option.

Bros, watch the game again when you have some spare time. Their plan was to exploit out weak full backs (Shehu and Idowu) and push two strikers up on our two central defenders. This one na for qualified coaches, not internet coaches.

https://www.coachesvoice.com/tactics-cr ... ric-moses/

Analysis: Croatia



Croatia set up in an overtly attacking 4-2-4 formation, with Luka Modric and Ivan Rakitic as the two central midfielders given the responsibility of distributing the ball to the four forwards. The attacking quartet consisted of Ivan Perisic and Ante Rebic on the flanks, and Mario Mandzukic and Andrej Kramaric through the middle.

Croatia’s performance and game plan in the first half was clear but highly ineffective. Modric and Rakitic would either send long passes from deep positions to get Perisic or Rebic in behind the full-backs to cross for the two strikers, or they would send the ball towards Mandzukic or Kramaric to hold up or flick on.

These passes rarely met their destination, spoiling the potential to create attacking opportunities. Croatia only posed a threat when Kramaric dropped a little deeper to offer a set option from Mandzukic or a different passing line for Modric and Rakitic. Perisic and Rebic swapped sides during the first half, but this didn’t change anything.

Croatia came out for the second half looking a much more threatening and well-structured unit. Marcelo Brozovic replaced Kramaric and played alongside Rakitic in the holding position, which pushed Modric further up the field to provide another line between midfield and attack to assist in the build-up.

Zlatko Dalic’s team now had an alternative plan away from the direct pass to Mandzukic, which allowed their star player, Modric, to get on the ball in more threatening areas than previously seen.

Out of possession, Croatia would press in a 4-4-2 mid-block with Perisic and Rebic dropping in to help Rakitic and Modric in midfield. One of the wide pair would push up to join the two forwards when the ball was with the full-back, while the opposite midfielder would tuck in with Rakitic and Modric.

With Croatia happy to let Nigeria have the ball at the back, their opponents would invariably lose patience and too often resorted to long balls towards striker Odion Ighalo – who was outnumbered and struggled to hold the ball up.

zee wrote:Rohr didn't pick this team nor the tactics his own.
The senior players read the riot act to the football coward........'WE WANT AND WILL PLAY AS NIGERIANS IN THE REMAINING MATCHES'.