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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 3:24 am 
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You England boosters can talk about future potential all you want but the fact is England was poor in 3 of their last 4 games of this tourny due to lack of talent and resorting to kick and rush and the defensive tactics that have led to poor results for them over the decades. I fail to see how a country that has repeated its mistakes over the last 52 years will suddenly change course in the years to come. If anything they will double down on their efforts after a WC semi appearance.

BTW, the competition is only going to get stiffer. I won't criticize England for their light competition this WC since its out of their control but future Euros and WCs will surely feature stiffer paths than what England experienced over the past month.


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Well after this latest episode, i hope Southgate is brave enough to start fielding players like Junjo shevley who reminds me of Gascoigne, when you get to the latter stages of the world cup, in tight games, you need players like Modric who take the ball and make things happen, if they need any reminder, then Saturday game with Belgium will see the skill of Hazard, Dubryne

I hope the British pundits in their loud voices can start lobbying the FA to start looking for talented players

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You England boosters can talk about future potential all you want but the fact is England was poor in 3 of their last 4 games of this tourny due to lack of talent and resorting to kick and rush and the defensive tactics that have led to poor results for them over the decades. I fail to see how a country that has repeated its mistakes over the last 52 years will suddenly change course in the years to come. If anything they will double down on their efforts after a WC semi appearance.

BTW, the competition is only going to get stiffer. I won't criticize England for their light competition this WC since its out of their control but future Euros and WCs will surely feature stiffer paths than what England experienced over the past month.



Well said mate. They keep saying England will do better next time as if the other teams are just going to be standing by doing nothing allowing england to catch up. In fact next england will revert to their normal second round exit because the other teams like Brazil, Spain, Argentina, Germany, Italy and Holland are sire to be back better prepared than this time. And england won't be as lucky with a draw as this time

This was a once in a lifetime chance and they got found out :rotf:

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Well after this latest episode, i hope Southgate is brave enough to start fielding players like Junjo shevley who reminds me of Gascoigne, when you get to the latter stages of the world cup, in tight games, you need players like Modric who take the ball and make things happen, if they need any reminder, then Saturday game with Belgium will see the skill of Hazard, Dubryne

I hope the British pundits in their loud voices can start lobbying the FA to start looking for talented players

Jonjo ke? :scared: , there is a reason why a player who started at Liverpool ended up at Newcastle. If you think Jonjo is what they need,then you don't know the problem England has....Jonjo lo,Yoyo ni. Abeg commot dia Marko.

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You England boosters can talk about future potential all you want but the fact is England was poor in 3 of their last 4 games of this tourny due to lack of talent and resorting to kick and rush and the defensive tactics that have led to poor results for them over the decades. I fail to see how a country that has repeated its mistakes over the last 52 years will suddenly change course in the years to come. If anything they will double down on their efforts after a WC semi appearance.

BTW, the competition is only going to get stiffer. I won't criticize England for their light competition this WC since its out of their control but future Euros and WCs will surely feature stiffer paths than what England experienced over the past month.



Well said mate. They keep saying England will do better next time as if the other teams are just going to be standing by doing nothing allowing england to catch up. In fact next england will revert to their normal second round exit because the other teams like Brazil, Spain, Argentina, Germany, Italy and Holland are sire to be back better prepared than this time. And england won't be as lucky with a draw as this time

This was a once in a lifetime chance and they got found out :rotf:

Well it remains a valid statement that they can do better next time. You think they do not know this is a lifetime opportunity,they know that for sure and they are going to continue to work hard towards ensuring that if it presents itself again they would make better use of it. Life is about being ready to grab the opportunity that comes your way. Truth is even though it can be argued that they were fortunate with fixtures, the team has done what they needed to do to take the chances. There was an England who got beaten by Iceland just a couple of years ago.

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Yes they can do better next time but it's also a valid statement to say they've underperformed relative to their wealth and football infrastructure. Why? This is more subjective but I, and others submit that its due to how they teach the game. They focus on developing the same qualities focused on in American sports such as speed, power, and endurance which are important, but are weak at developing technical skills. For this reason I am unconvinced they will improve.


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Heliopolis wrote:
Yes they can do better next time but it's also a valid statement to say they've underperformed relative to their wealth and football infrastructure. Why? This is more subjective but I, and others submit that its due to how they teach the game. They focus on developing the same qualities focused on in American sports such as speed, power, and endurance which are important, but are weak at developing technical skills. For this reason I am unconvinced they will improve.

If Denmark can win the European cup then England can win a major trophy too, post '66. England is not as weak as they appear to be. In 1986 Maradona needed his hand of God goal to knock them out and he later admitted that was their toughest game of the competition. In 1990 they were one penalty kick away from reaching the World Cup final (which they could have won against a weak and depleted Argentinian side). They've been knocked out on penalties 3 times at the World Cup, meaning teams have a hard time breaking them down even with extra time. Let's not forget Sweden was looking really good before they met England this year. Sweden knocked out Italy during the qualifiers, almost beat Germany, thrashed Mexico, and had an easy win against Switzerland. The problem with England is they have problem closing games against the big teams hence all the penalty shootouts.


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Heliopolis wrote:
Yes they can do better next time but it's also a valid statement to say they've underperformed relative to their wealth and football infrastructure. Why? This is more subjective but I, and others submit that its due to how they teach the game. They focus on developing the same qualities focused on in American sports such as speed, power, and endurance which are important, but are weak at developing technical skills. For this reason I am unconvinced they will improve.

If Denmark can win the European cup then England can win a major trophy too, post '66. England is not as weak as they appear to be. In 1986 Maradona needed his hand of God goal to knock them out and he later admitted that was their toughest game of the competition. In 1990 they were one penalty kick away from reaching the World Cup final (which they could have won against a weak and depleted Argentinian side). They've been knocked out on penalties 3 times at the World Cup, meaning teams have a hard time breaking them down even with extra time. Let's not forget Sweden was looking really good before they met England this year. Sweden knocked out Italy during the qualifiers, almost beat Germany, thrashed Mexico, and had an easy win against Switzerland. The problem with England is they have problem closing games against the big teams hence all the penalty shootouts.



Denmark and Greece are outliers. Especially Greece. Denmark at least produces decent players often enough and tough teams.

I think most comments here are spot on wrt England: not developing technique, creativity, and guile in abundance, as a matter of football culture.

I say again, England have not produced a true world class midfield general in decades. Off the top of my head, Glenn Hoddle alone stands out. And he wasn't loved during his time, often criticized for not being a fighter.

Lampard, Gerrard, and Beckham were decent International class players. But not even close to much more gifted midfielders that win WCs. England needs a fundamental change in football culture. Otherwise, everything is in place, interestingly enough.

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If Denmark can win the European cup then England can win a major trophy too, post '66. England is not as weak as they appear to be. In 1986 Maradona needed his hand of God goal to knock them out and he later admitted that was their toughest game of the competition. In 1990 they were one penalty kick away from reaching the World Cup final (which they could have won against a weak and depleted Argentinian side). They've been knocked out on penalties 3 times at the World Cup, meaning teams have a hard time breaking them down even with extra time. Let's not forget Sweden was looking really good before they met England this year. Sweden knocked out Italy during the qualifiers, almost beat Germany, thrashed Mexico, and had an easy win against Switzerland. The problem with England is they have problem closing games against the big teams hence all the penalty shootouts.

Your points are full of holes.
1. That Denmark 92 team had some genuine greats better than anything England has produced - Schmeichel and Brian Laudrup.
2. You remember the Hand of God goal and don't mention the 2nd goal. Nobody said England are ever weak opponents. But being difficult to beat is different from having the inspiration to win tournaments.
3. Argentina in 1990 were not that "weak". Germany needed a dubious pen to beat them in the final. They were arguably better than in 1986. Maradona was more mature at 29 and had a better striker alongside in Caniggia.
4. Sweden were not looking good. They were solid and played on the counter. But were a very average team with their main striker playing in the UAE.
5. England has always been difficult to beat. It is the bulldog spirit and they are always well organised and good at set-pieces. But you need more to win tournaments.

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Doesn't England have a match left to play?
One loss and the Nigerian "fans" vanish along with their epistles about English "Billy's Boots" technology and Southgate tactics :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Doesn't England have a match left to play?
One loss and the Nigerian "fans" vanish along with their epistles about English "Billy's Boots" technology and Southgate tactics :lol: :lol: :lol:

Has anyone heard from Damunk? Poor guy. :D

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In many sections of the British media they are trying to peddle the fantasy that this England team has "united" the country and "reconnected" with the fans. So I posted this piece on the comments section of a couple of such articles in the Guardian, and it was taken down by moderators.
https://www.naijiant.com/sports/russia- ... d-to-lose/

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Kneedeep wrote:
Doesn't England have a match left to play?
One loss and the Nigerian "fans" vanish along with their epistles about English "Billy's Boots" technology and Southgate tactics :lol: :lol: :lol:

The word fickle find its true meaning on CE with the way the fans of the beautiful game oscillate from one degree of lunacy to another.

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In many sections of the British media they are trying to peddle the fantasy that this England team has "united" the country and "reconnected" with the fans. So I posted this piece on the comments section of a couple of such articles in the Guardian, and it was taken down by moderators.
https://www.naijiant.com/sports/russia- ... d-to-lose/

Nna, that's a very long comment. They were right to remove it even though it's correct. :D

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1. That Denmark 92 team had some genuine greats better than anything England has produced - Schmeichel and Brian Laudrup.
Subjective. I could list players like Banks, Shilton, Gazza (at his peak), Beckham, Keegan, Rio, Sol Campbell etc. as better than what Denmark has produced. But it's all subjective.

2. You remember the Hand of God goal and don't mention the 2nd goal. Nobody said England are ever weak opponents. But being difficult to beat is different from having the inspiration to win tournaments.
The goal of the century would have only made the game 1-1. Argentina won by a goal that was a clear handball and would have been disallowed with VAR today. In that game, we saw both sides of the true Maradonna. The genius on one hand and flawed cheat on another.

3. Argentina in 1990 were not that "weak". Germany needed a dubious pen to beat them in the final. They were arguably better than in 1986. Maradona was more mature at 29 and had a better striker alongside in Caniggia.
Germany could not beat England in 120 minutes. They beat Argentina clean in 90 minutes, penalty or not. All 3 teams were equally matched with small decisions making the difference. So England could've potentially won in the final if they had gotten there.

4. Sweden were not looking good. They were solid and played on the counter. But were a very average team with their main striker playing in the UAE.
A solid side that took out Italy, Mexico, and a decent Swizz side. Yet they looked like schoolboys against England.

5. England has always been difficult to beat. It is the bulldog spirit and they are always well organised and good at set-pieces. But you need more to win tournaments.
IMO, they've produced a good number of world class players since '66 (they won big things at club level in Europe) and with a bit of penalty shootout luck here and there, history could've been different.


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IMO, they've produced a good number of world class players since '66 (they won big things at club level in Europe) and with a bit of penalty shootout luck here and there, history could've been different.

:lol: :lol: "World class" is a very subjective term. The English players that won in Europe with their clubs were playing with more technically-gifted players from abroad. I mean, Djimi Traore won the CL with Liverpool. You can play the hard luck card for one tournament or two, but not for over 50 years. Even Spain had rotten luck with pens until they produced a team packed with real world class talent. And losing on pens means you were not good enough to win over 120 mins.

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Nna, that's a very long comment. They were right to remove it even though it's correct. :D

:lol: Should have said "I posted the link".

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2. You remember the Hand of God goal and don't mention the 2nd goal. Nobody said England are ever weak opponents. But being difficult to beat is different from having the inspiration to win tournaments.
The goal of the century would have only made the game 1-1. Argentina won by a goal that was a clear handball and would have been disallowed with VAR today. In that game, we saw both sides of the true Maradonna. The genius on one hand and flawed cheat on another.



Ahem.. England won the WC in 66 with an imaginary goal, no "honest" English player stepped up to say the ball didn't cross the line. It all evens out.

At least you haven't vanished like your fellow "fans". :thumb:

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Again, a semi-final is sound return for that team and squad and represents a sizeable overachievement. Smh-finals of the Euros would be consider a positive, progressive step for England, to have eclipsed the likes of Brazil, Germany, Spain, Uruguay, Nigeria, was unthinkable at the start of the summer. A wonderful achievement by a group of bread and butter, good men. Good stock. Most importantly, whilst many ponder their path, stand before the changing room mirror trying on outfit after outfit, identity after identity, Southgate has seemingly found theirs. For what they are and what they have, the identity is a perfect fit. Since Ashley Cole, England haven't have a top quality left-back, but have produced a plethora of all or nothing, huge last ditch challenging, on me' 'ed son, centrehalves, some supposedly ball playing, others man and ball playing. The switch to the back 3/5 was essential and arrived without the circus and fanfare that greeted previous attempts .

Identity carved. Next stop, get Jonjo Scholesy in the thick of it. All stations to Ryan Sessegnon, calling at Jadon Sancho, Phil Foden and that farmhouse loaf, beans and bacon centre-mid formerly of Norwich. Graft. Did someone say fried eggs? Too bloody right, three, five seconds in the pan apiece, dip em or drink em. Options. Geneva no longer telling Betty when she can pull on the tap. Carling, draught from 1030 GMT none of that CET nonsense.


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When you have less than one shot on target per game football will not come home. :lol:

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For those of you in England it is possible you have a fixated view of the team over the years. However, I truly believe this team is different. After watching them completely embarrass Nigeria in that opening half of a friendly I had the sense that this team was better than any English team in recent years. They affirmed that with a great run in the World Cup. With a strong set of youth coming through in a few years one has to anticipate that a great period awaits.

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For those of you in England it is possible you have a fixated view of the team over the years. However, I truly believe this team is different. After watching them completely embarrass Nigeria in that opening half of a friendly I had the sense that this team was better than any English team in recent years. They affirmed that with a great run in the World Cup. With a strong set of youth coming through in a few years one has to anticipate that a great period awaits.


KPOM!! Give England their due respect. They lacked experience and genuine quality in CM and CB but they gave it a very good run. They have nothing to be ashamed of!! NOTHING!! I knew they would come short against a team with a strong midfield but 3/4 place no be beans. It is their best outing in how many years!!

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