VAR fairness at the WC

[elerineye]

Could the VAR have led to the dismal of Pogba or Matuidi’s (not sure which) in Nigeria’s game against France?

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[YUJAM]

I predict it will work in the favor of African teams because they’ve been on the receiving end of some bad calls.

[elerineye]

I predict it will work in the favor of African teams because they’ve been on the receiving end of some bad calls.

I want to believe it will too, based on the video. It’s supposed to be all about transparency, but I’m skeptical because of the prejudice towards Africans teams.

[Cellular]

I predict it will work in the favor of African teams because they’ve been on the receiving end of some bad calls.

Don't know about that...

[Odas]

I predict it will work in the favor of African teams because they’ve been on the receiving end of some bad calls.

Oga Yujam! I hope you are correct. From what I have seen, it seems the referee initiates the video assisted referee (VAR) calls before the video is reviewed and finally the call. Thus, if I am correct, what if the referee fails to initiate such?

[elerineye]

I predict it will work in the favor of African teams because they’ve been on the receiving end of some bad calls.

Oga Yujam! I hope you are correct. From what I have seen, it seems the referee initiates the video assisted referee (VAR) calls before the video is reviewed and finally the call. Thus, if I am correct, what if the referee fails to initiate such?

My concern exactly.

[YUJAM]

Got this from World Soccer:

How Will It Work?

VAR can only be used for four specific types of decision: goals, penalty decisions, direct red cards and cases of mistaken identity. So:

The referee must always make a decision and that decision will stand unless it is “clearly wrong”;
The referee can only go back to the start of the attacking phase which leads to the incident;
A goal scored from a throw-in which should have gone to the other team could not be disallowed under the new system; and
If the ball is still in play, the referee must wait until it is in a neutral zone before stopping play. If the decision is not overturned, play restarts with a drop ball.

[YUJAM]

The video refs will be crucial in all of this. They’ll need to review quickly and contact the ref for any major mistakes. Think VAR is a good thing for African teams because they’ve been victims of crucial Mistakes in the past.

[elerineye]

Got this from World Soccer:

How Will It Work?

VAR can only be used for four specific types of decision: goals, penalty decisions, direct red cards and cases of mistaken identity. So:

The referee must always make a decision and that decision will stand unless it is “clearly wrong”;
The referee can only go back to the start of the attacking phase which leads to the incident;
A goal scored from a throw-in which should have gone to the other team could not be disallowed under the new system; and
If the ball is still in play, the referee must wait until it is in a neutral zone before stopping play. If the decision is not overturned, play restarts with a drop ball.

All in the video. Can you please edit my first post and post the video properly? Can’t seem to do it on the iPad.

[marutimon]

Could the VAR have led to the dismal of Pogba or Matuidi’s (not sure which) in Nigeria’s game against France?

Problem with this is that the corrupt US referee:
- saw Giroud elbow Mikel, yet did nothing, not even a yellow
- saw Evra manhandle Odemwingie and even had a laugh about it with Evra
- saw Matuidi almost break Onazi's leg, yet only showed a yellow, when it became apparent Onazi was severely injured

Not sure VAR would have helped, if you have a ref as lenient at that crap referee was. He should have shown two reds minimum and a penalty. So all of it happen and did nothing.

[Enugu II]

Why African football fans should welcome video assistant referees at the World Cup
https://theconversation.com/why-african ... -cup-96930
June 10, 2018 4.53am EDT
Author

Chuka Onwumechili


African fans have always seen match officiating at the World Cup as one reason why their teams fail to do better than they have done so far. Now technology is set to come to the aid of African teams and their fans during the World Cup in Russia.

Earlier this year, football’s umbrella body, the International Federation for Football Associations (FIFA), announced that it will use the Video Assistant Referee (VAR) for World Cup matches in Russia. It is one of the rule changes at the 2018 World Cup. The other allows a fourth substitute when the game goes into extra time.

BBC Sport described the VAR as,

basically like another referee’s assistant - but one that has access to TV replays from a multitude of angles.
A VAR will support the head referee in each of the World Cup’s 64 matches. The video assistant referee team, all top FIFA referees in their own right, are located in a centralised video operation room in Moscow. The system involves them watching the action remotely and then drawing the match referee’s attention to officiating mistakes.

Described as an “historic step for greater fairness in football”, the VAR will aim to reduce unfairness caused by “clear and obvious errors” or “serious missed incidents” in relation to:

Goals and offences leading up to a goal;
Penalty decisions and offences leading up to a penalty;
Direct red card incidents only; or
Mistaken identity (when the referee cautions or sends off the wrong player of the offending team).
The VAR is, particularly, intriguing because a year-long study by Belgian University KU Leuven shows that the VAR increases officiating accuracy from 93% to 98.8% and time lost using the system is just an average of 55 seconds. The university study is based on over 1,000 games where the VAR was used.

Rectifying poor calls

While, several analysts have focused on the VAR rectifying poor calls during matches at the 2018 World Cup, few point to why African fans (along with fans of other less favoured teams) welcome the use of the VAR. African fans have been alleging biased refereeing decisions for years at the World Cup – a case in point was in Italy in 1990 when Cameroon were controversially ousted by England. Two arguable calls went England’s way in that memorable quarter final against Cameroon prompting protests and riots in Cameroon by frustrated fans.

At the 1998 World Cup in France, match officials contentiously overruled two Cameroon goals in a game that Cameroon finally drew 1-1 with Chile, sending the African team home after the first round. Many Africans still believe that the officials were wrong to overrule those goals.

At the 2014 World Cup in Brazil, African fans felt that Nigeria were on the receiving end of particularly poor, “biased” refereeing in their match against France. Perhaps, with the VAR, results would have been different in each of those cases.

Social perception

Austrian psychologist Fritz Heider’s attribution theory partly explains why African fans feel hard done by. More than 50 years ago, Heider wrote a treatise on the processes that impact social perception, on how ordinary people explain events as they do.

That treatise is an excellent tool for how the African World Cup fan explains the World Cup and failure of African teams.

This means that Cameroon’s victories on the way to meeting England at the 1990 World Cup were attributed to the team’s great play, and their ability, among other virtues. The African fans would most likely have cited forward Roger Milla‘s brilliance, the team’s collective speed and their individual talent as reasons for Cameroon’s victories.

However, they would not attribute the defeat against England to England’s talent, skill, tactics or other dispositions. For negative results like that, Heider informs us, attribution is no longer made to dispositions but to situations. Thus, the attribution or causes become poor match officiating, the systemic racism that denies African teams a chance, and so on.

Fans’ rationale

Heider’s attribution theory provides us ways to understand the rationale of the African fan at the World Cup. However, that’s about to change with the introduction of the VAR. Rather than concluding that a non-African referee discriminates against Africans, the VAR becomes the check against such anticipated discrimination.

Thus, the VAR will not only get calls right, it will make things fair and do so by creating an impression of fairness. At least, attributing defeat or failure to refereeing may become a thing of the past. Although, Heider argues, there could be newer attributions. This time, however, newer attributions may be the weather, the hotel, or other perceived disruptions.

Those are somewhat more palatable than blaming match officials. One thing we know is that improvements to the game often advance fairness. FIFA’s decision to play the final two group games simultaneously reduced possibilities of fixed results after Germany and Austria were widely believed to have fixed the result of their game at the 1982 World Cup which eliminated Algeria. So welcome to the VAR.

[Enyi]

VAR won’t help anyone esp African teams.....it now means that 50-50 decision will go te other way

[mcal]

...VAR created by oyinbos will always find a way to pacify the down trodden while uplifting the usual suspects.

It's like saying internet security invented by man is foolproof from criminals.

[elerineye]

Why African football fans should welcome video assistant referees at the World Cup
https://theconversation.com/why-african ... -cup-96930
June 10, 2018 4.53am EDT
Author

Chuka Onwumechili


African fans have always seen match officiating at the World Cup as one reason why their teams fail to do better than they have done so far. Now technology is set to come to the aid of African teams and their fans during the World Cup in Russia.

Earlier this year, football’s umbrella body, the International Federation for Football Associations (FIFA), announced that it will use the Video Assistant Referee (VAR) for World Cup matches in Russia. It is one of the rule changes at the 2018 World Cup. The other allows a fourth substitute when the game goes into extra time.

BBC Sport described the VAR as,

basically like another referee’s assistant - but one that has access to TV replays from a multitude of angles.
A VAR will support the head referee in each of the World Cup’s 64 matches. The video assistant referee team, all top FIFA referees in their own right, are located in a centralised video operation room in Moscow. The system involves them watching the action remotely and then drawing the match referee’s attention to officiating mistakes.

Described as an “historic step for greater fairness in football”, the VAR will aim to reduce unfairness caused by “clear and obvious errors” or “serious missed incidents” in relation to:

Goals and offences leading up to a goal;
Penalty decisions and offences leading up to a penalty;
Direct red card incidents only; or
Mistaken identity (when the referee cautions or sends off the wrong player of the offending team).
The VAR is, particularly, intriguing because a year-long study by Belgian University KU Leuven shows that the VAR increases officiating accuracy from 93% to 98.8% and time lost using the system is just an average of 55 seconds. The university study is based on over 1,000 games where the VAR was used.

Rectifying poor calls

While, several analysts have focused on the VAR rectifying poor calls during matches at the 2018 World Cup, few point to why African fans (along with fans of other less favoured teams) welcome the use of the VAR. African fans have been alleging biased refereeing decisions for years at the World Cup – a case in point was in Italy in 1990 when Cameroon were controversially ousted by England. Two arguable calls went England’s way in that memorable quarter final against Cameroon prompting protests and riots in Cameroon by frustrated fans.

At the 1998 World Cup in France, match officials contentiously overruled two Cameroon goals in a game that Cameroon finally drew 1-1 with Chile, sending the African team home after the first round. Many Africans still believe that the officials were wrong to overrule those goals.

At the 2014 World Cup in Brazil, African fans felt that Nigeria were on the receiving end of particularly poor, “biased” refereeing in their match against France. Perhaps, with the VAR, results would have been different in each of those cases.

Social perception

Austrian psychologist Fritz Heider’s attribution theory partly explains why African fans feel hard done by. More than 50 years ago, Heider wrote a treatise on the processes that impact social perception, on how ordinary people explain events as they do.

That treatise is an excellent tool for how the African World Cup fan explains the World Cup and failure of African teams.

This means that Cameroon’s victories on the way to meeting England at the 1990 World Cup were attributed to the team’s great play, and their ability, among other virtues. The African fans would most likely have cited forward Roger Milla‘s brilliance, the team’s collective speed and their individual talent as reasons for Cameroon’s victories.

However, they would not attribute the defeat against England to England’s talent, skill, tactics or other dispositions. For negative results like that, Heider informs us, attribution is no longer made to dispositions but to situations. Thus, the attribution or causes become poor match officiating, the systemic racism that denies African teams a chance, and so on.

Fans’ rationale

Heider’s attribution theory provides us ways to understand the rationale of the African fan at the World Cup. However, that’s about to change with the introduction of the VAR. Rather than concluding that a non-African referee discriminates against Africans, the VAR becomes the check against such anticipated discrimination.

Thus, the VAR will not only get calls right, it will make things fair and do so by creating an impression of fairness. At least, attributing defeat or failure to refereeing may become a thing of the past. Although, Heider argues, there could be newer attributions. This time, however, newer attributions may be the weather, the hotel, or other perceived disruptions.

Those are somewhat more palatable than blaming match officials. One thing we know is that improvements to the game often advance fairness. FIFA’s decision to play the final two group games simultaneously reduced possibilities of fixed results after Germany and Austria were widely believed to have fixed the result of their game at the 1982 World Cup which eliminated Algeria. So welcome to the VAR.

At the risk of not coming across as being cynical, there’s still a lot of human element.

[elerineye]

...VAR created by oyinbos will always find a way to pacify the down trodden while uplifting the usual suspects.

It's like saying internet security invented by man is foolproof from criminals.

Very true. I just hope the attempt to be fair is genuine, especially towards African teams.

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[Eaglezbeak]

Could the VAR have led to the dismal of Pogba or Matuidi’s (not sure which) in Nigeria’s game against France?

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It was Matuidi and Mikel also got elbowed in the face by Giroud and nothing happened!

[elerineye]

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Thanks. I couldn’t get the link on the iPad.

[elerineye]

Could the VAR have led to the dismal of Pogba or Matuidi’s (not sure which) in Nigeria’s game against France?

It was Matuidi and Mikel also got elbowed in the face by Giroud and nothing happened!

Thanks.

[maceo4]

Could the VAR have led to the dismal of Pogba or Matuidi’s (not sure which) in Nigeria’s game against France?

Problem with this is that the corrupt US referee:
- saw Giroud elbow Mikel, yet did nothing, not even a yellow
- saw Evra manhandle Odemwingie and even had a laugh about it with Evra
- saw Matuidi almost break Onazi's leg, yet only showed a yellow, when it became apparent Onazi was severely injured

Not sure VAR would have helped, if you have a ref as lenient at that crap referee was. He should have shown two reds minimum and a penalty. So all of it happen and did nothing.

- Mikel needed to dive and hold his jaw thats the only way you get these calls.
- Osaze inexplicably didn't make a big deal about it
- VAR won't necessarily fix this, they replayed the final of the last confederations cup yesterday and there was an incident of a clear elbow from a Chilean defender and the ref reviewed it saw the deliberate elbow and yet the color of card he chose was yellow. So even with VAR its still the referee's discretion what color card (if any) they should give.

[bret- hart]

VAR wont help. Its still up to the referee.

[wiseone]

if VAR had been in use in 2014:

*Nigeria may not have won the game against Bosnia. Osaze's goal would have been disallowed for a foul in the build up by Emenike. PLUS the Dzeko goal for Bosnia which was incorrectly disallowed would have stood.

*Matuidi would have got a straight red card for that ankle breaker horror "tackle" on Onazi, Giroud would have been red carded for elbowing Mikel, Emenike's goal may not have been disallowed for offside, and Nigeria would have had a penalty for shirt pulling at a corner.

[marutimon]

if VAR had been in use in 2014:

*Nigeria may not have won the game against Bosnia. Osaze's goal would have been disallowed for a foul in the build up by Emenike. PLUS the Dzeko goal for Bosnia which was incorrectly disallowed would have stood.

*Matuidi would have got a straight red card for that ankle breaker horror "tackle" on Onazi, Giroud would have been red carded for elbowing Mikel, Emenike's goal may not have been disallowed for offside, and Nigeria would have had a penalty for shirt pulling at a corner.

*Nigeria would have scored via Mikel vs Iran.

p.s. I doubt Osaze's goal would have been called off. I for one doubt the referee would have pulled the sitaution so far back. And secondly that was a 40/60 call leaning towards Emenike.

p.s.2 Emenike's goal was offside.