Why are the goalposts being shifted for Gernot Rohr?

[RomanusOjinta]

In 2014, despite qualifying the team to the world cup with ease and winning Nigeria's first world cup game in 16 years and getting past the first round for the first time since 1998, we all (rightfully) came down hard on Stephen Keshi for the perceived dodgy selection and lack of nous that saw us finish second in the group, eventually losing a winnable second round game against a France team that on paper was far superior to us.

Yes, he was owed his wages for almost a year by the NFF who were actively trying to sabotage him, and yes his focus was distracted by being given the intentionally disruptive task of handling the CHAN tournament less than four months to the world cup, but NONE OF THOSE THINGS WERE EXCUSES apparently. If he didn't like the treatment, he could have walked away and all that.

So my question is, why is it any different for Mr Gernot Rohr? He has just served up our worst world cup game performance and result since losing 1-4 to Denmark, and he has done this while starting with the obviously wrong team and setup, and waiting till the 70th minute to make his first change, saving the final change till the 88th minute. He has practically ensured that we are not going past the first round, and even more alarmingly we will probably not score a single goal or register a point throughout this tournament.

I am seeing lots of threads about individual players and their shortcomings, but I was here in 2014 and I remember clearly that the conversation was (rightfully) about Stephen Keshi and ONLY about Keshi because it is the manager that takes responsibility. Why is it different now? Why is it about Mikel's ego, wanting to play the #10 he clearly cannot, or about Ekong's mediocrity, or Shehu's lack of spatial awareness, or Victor Moses' lack of effectiveness, or Ighalo's lack of talent? Why isn't it about the coach that selected all these players and set them up to play the exact way we just saw since the England friendly?

Gernot Rohr is a clear failure who should be released from his contract immediately after our final group game, so why are you people not talking about that? Up until a few days ago, someone was still putting up a thread disparaging Stephen Keshi even after he has been dead for over 2 years, but this oyinbo has managed to serve up a worse performance than Nigeria vs Iran and nobody is going at him with anything close to the amount of rage or personal invective that they did with Keshi.

Why? Can anyone explain that?

[cchinukw]

You go wait tire for explanation.

Some of these jokers like Vancity Eagle will run their mouths when it is an Amodu or Keshi and give opportunists like Rohr an easy pass instead of seeing them for what they really are.

Una see now?

Great team organisation, bonuses paid, fantastic preparation.

Just imagine if Keshi had been given a quarter of that support. Just imagine.

[Cellular]

Because we are WOWO.

[General Trousers]

I would agree with cchinukw. The performance was anemic and hapless. The colonialists here will say the relative humidity and barometric pressure were slightly off.

You go wait tire for explanation.

Some of these jokers like Vancity Eagle will run their mouths when it is an Amodu or Keshi and give opportunists like Rohr an easy pass instead of seeing them for what they really are.

Una see now?

Great team organisation, bonuses paid, fantastic preparation.

Just imagine if Keshi had been given a quarter of that support. Just imagine.

[marutimon]

Almost no one is attacking Keshi for what he did with the team in 2014.
In a fair world (without crap referees being the 12th player for the opposing side) Nigeria in 2014 would have beaten France and made the 1/4 final.

The only problem people had with Keshi was the terrible selection of bench players. He basically took one first XI, but the moment the team needed a sub - Keshi was out of options.

Rohr messed this up by being too conservative. He needed players like Onyekuru, Nwakali, Kalu or whoever to mix things up a bit. Or simply the fact he stuck with Ighalo despite the man not scoring for god knows how many games.

[zee]

In 2014, despite qualifying the team to the world cup with ease and winning Nigeria's first world cup game in 16 years and getting past the first round for the first time since 1998, we all (rightfully) came down hard on Stephen Keshi for the perceived dodgy selection and lack of nous that saw us finish second in the group, eventually losing a winnable second round game against a France team that on paper was far superior to us.

Yes, he was owed his wages for almost a year by the NFF who were actively trying to sabotage him, and yes his focus was distracted by being given the intentionally disruptive task of handling the CHAN tournament less than four months to the world cup, but NONE OF THOSE THINGS WERE EXCUSES apparently. If he didn't like the treatment, he could have walked away and all that.

So my question is, why is it any different for Mr Gernot Rohr? He has just served up our worst world cup game performance and result since losing 1-4 to Denmark, and he has done this while starting with the obviously wrong team and setup, and waiting till the 70th minute to make his first change, saving the final change till the 88th minute. He has practically ensured that we are not going past the first round, and even more alarmingly we will probably not score a single goal or register a point throughout this tournament.

I am seeing lots of threads about individual players and their shortcomings, but I was here in 2014 and I remember clearly that the conversation was (rightfully) about Stephen Keshi and ONLY about Keshi because it is the manager that takes responsibility. Why is it different now? Why is it about Mikel's ego, wanting to play the #10 he clearly cannot, or about Ekong's mediocrity, or Shehu's lack of spatial awareness, or Victor Moses' lack of effectiveness, or Ighalo's lack of talent? Why isn't it about the coach that selected all these players and set them up to play the exact way we just saw since the England friendly?

Gernot Rohr is a clear failure who should be released from his contract immediately after our final group game, so why are you people not talking about that? Up until a few days ago, someone was still putting up a thread disparaging Stephen Keshi even after he has been dead for over 2 years, but this oyinbo has managed to serve up a worse performance than Nigeria vs Iran and nobody is going at him with anything close to the amount of rage or personal invective that they did with Keshi.

Why? Can anyone explain that?

God bless you sir...................

[Ebyboy]

We deserve what we are getting now for the way we treated
Keshi, Amodu and to a lesser extent, Oliseh. People who behave
like us do not deserve to be successful.

[Ebyboy]

In 2014, despite qualifying the team to the world cup with ease and winning Nigeria's first world cup game in 16 years and getting past the first round for the first time since 1998, we all (rightfully) came down hard on Stephen Keshi for the perceived dodgy selection and lack of nous that saw us finish second in the group, eventually losing a winnable second round game against a France team that on paper was far superior to us.

Yes, he was owed his wages for almost a year by the NFF who were actively trying to sabotage him, and yes his focus was distracted by being given the intentionally disruptive task of handling the CHAN tournament less than four months to the world cup, but NONE OF THOSE THINGS WERE EXCUSES apparently. If he didn't like the treatment, he could have walked away and all that.

So my question is, why is it any different for Mr Gernot Rohr? He has just served up our worst world cup game performance and result since losing 1-4 to Denmark, and he has done this while starting with the obviously wrong team and setup, and waiting till the 70th minute to make his first change, saving the final change till the 88th minute. He has practically ensured that we are not going past the first round, and even more alarmingly we will probably not score a single goal or register a point throughout this tournament.

I am seeing lots of threads about individual players and their shortcomings, but I was here in 2014 and I remember clearly that the conversation was (rightfully) about Stephen Keshi and ONLY about Keshi because it is the manager that takes responsibility. Why is it different now? Why is it about Mikel's ego, wanting to play the #10 he clearly cannot, or about Ekong's mediocrity, or Shehu's lack of spatial awareness, or Victor Moses' lack of effectiveness, or Ighalo's lack of talent? Why isn't it about the coach that selected all these players and set them up to play the exact way we just saw since the England friendly?

Gernot Rohr is a clear failure who should be released from his contract immediately after our final group game, so why are you people not talking about that? Up until a few days ago, someone was still putting up a thread disparaging Stephen Keshi even after he has been dead for over 2 years, but this oyinbo has managed to serve up a worse performance than Nigeria vs Iran and nobody is going at him with anything close to the amount of rage or personal invective that they did with Keshi.

Why? Can anyone explain that?

You forgot to mention that Rohr’s contract was extended
BEFORE the World Cup. We deserve to lose all our games
and exit in the group stage.

[zee]

Almost no one is attacking Keshi for what he did with the team in 2014.
In a fair world (without crap referees being the 12th player for the opposing side) Nigeria in 2014 would have beaten France and made the 1/4 final.

The only problem people had with Keshi was the terrible selection of bench players. He basically took one first XI, but the moment the team needed a sub - Keshi was out of options.

Rohr messed this up by being too conservative. He needed players like Onyekuru, Nwakali, Kalu or whoever to mix things up a bit. Or simply the fact he stuck with Ighalo despite the man not scoring for god knows how many games.

You don't get it.........Rohr's problems has nothing to do with players selection.
Rohr has KILLED our 'CAN-DO' spirit.........we play cowardly football that invites our opponents to attack us at will.

[Benedict Iroha]

In 2014, despite qualifying the team to the world cup with ease and winning Nigeria's first world cup game in 16 years and getting past the first round for the first time since 1998, we all (rightfully) came down hard on Stephen Keshi for the perceived dodgy selection and lack of nous that saw us finish second in the group, eventually losing a winnable second round game against a France team that on paper was far superior to us.

Yes, he was owed his wages for almost a year by the NFF who were actively trying to sabotage him, and yes his focus was distracted by being given the intentionally disruptive task of handling the CHAN tournament less than four months to the world cup, but NONE OF THOSE THINGS WERE EXCUSES apparently. If he didn't like the treatment, he could have walked away and all that.

So my question is, why is it any different for Mr Gernot Rohr? He has just served up our worst world cup game performance and result since losing 1-4 to Denmark, and he has done this while starting with the obviously wrong team and setup, and waiting till the 70th minute to make his first change, saving the final change till the 88th minute. He has practically ensured that we are not going past the first round, and even more alarmingly we will probably not score a single goal or register a point throughout this tournament.

I am seeing lots of threads about individual players and their shortcomings, but I was here in 2014 and I remember clearly that the conversation was (rightfully) about Stephen Keshi and ONLY about Keshi because it is the manager that takes responsibility. Why is it different now? Why is it about Mikel's ego, wanting to play the #10 he clearly cannot, or about Ekong's mediocrity, or Shehu's lack of spatial awareness, or Victor Moses' lack of effectiveness, or Ighalo's lack of talent? Why isn't it about the coach that selected all these players and set them up to play the exact way we just saw since the England friendly?

Gernot Rohr is a clear failure who should be released from his contract immediately after our final group game, so why are you people not talking about that? Up until a few days ago, someone was still putting up a thread disparaging Stephen Keshi even after he has been dead for over 2 years, but this oyinbo has managed to serve up a worse performance than Nigeria vs Iran and nobody is going at him with anything close to the amount of rage or personal invective that they did with Keshi.

Why? Can anyone explain that?

They just have inferior complex.

[RomanusOjinta]

Shall we shift them some more?

Let's shift them some more.

[ugly boy]

Keshi was corrupt....RIP

[1naija]

Almost no one is attacking Keshi for what he did with the team in 2014.
In a fair world (without crap referees being the 12th player for the opposing side) Nigeria in 2014 would have beaten France and made the 1/4 final.

The only problem people had with Keshi was the terrible selection of bench players. He basically took one first XI, but the moment the team needed a sub - Keshi was out of options.

Rohr messed this up by being too conservative. He needed players like Onyekuru, Nwakali, Kalu or whoever to mix things up a bit. Or simply the fact he stuck with Ighalo despite the man not scoring for god knows how many games.

You don't get it.........Rohr's problems has nothing to do with players selection.
Rohr has KILLED our 'CAN-DO' spirit.........we play cowardly football that invites our opponents to attack us at will.

What "Can do" sprit?

Here is our 'CAN DO' WC record

1970 - 1990 --- Did not qualify
1994 -------------- Round of 16
1998 -------------- Round of 16
2002 .-------------- Group stage
2006 ....------------ did not qualify
2010 --------------- Group stage
2014 ---------------- Round of 16
2018 ---------------- Group stage.

[niyi]

Keshi was not fired after the world cup. He was fired after ge failed to qualify for the nations cup playing against countries like Congo Brazza...

Players were discussed when we played badly against France too. Gabriel Reuben, Oshaniwa, Ambrose and Mikel were blamed back then.

[YemiBrazil]

I hate cowardly managers. I never liked the late Amodu's approach because I felt his approach limits the team. I love Keshi's arrogance but it became his undoing - Keshi was so good he believed he could field PaJ & Uncle 1naira in the world cup and still motivate them to win.
Mr Rohr is simply a disappointment. He is a total coward who ended up sabotaging the team with his cowardice. He wasted almost all our friendlies - all the lessons learned from the friendlies never sinked into his head. I can't believe we ended up playing Argentina without Ebuehi & Iwobi playing major roles. That right there is a 'play it safe' coward in action.

Sincerely he did well. He did what he was hired to do but when the talents in this team presented him with a glorious opportunity to overachieve, his cowardice denied him a huge moment of glory. It's time to move on.

[niyi]

I hate cowardly managers. I never liked the late Amodu's approach because I felt his approach limits the team. I love Keshi's arrogance but it became his undoing - Keshi was so good he believed he could field PaJ & Uncle 1naira in the world cup and still motivate them to win.
Mr Rohr is simply a disappointment. He is a total coward who ended up sabotaging the team with his cowardice. He wasted almost all our friendlies - all the lessons learned from the friendlies never sinked into his head. I can't believe we ended up playing Argentina without Ebuehi & Iwobi playing major roles. That right there is a 'play it safe' coward in action.

Sincerely he did well. He did what he was hired to do but when the talents in this team presented him with a glorious opportunity to overachieve, his cowardice denied him a huge moment of glory. It's time to move on.

The problem is that if we go back to Siasia, I guarantee we'll score more goals but he'll invite many questionable players and our defense won't be as organized. The question is how can we marry the defensive solidity, good call-ups of Rohr with Nigerian attacking football?

[marko]

Or maybe the current set of Nigerian players are average? Anyone looked at this angle

[niyi]

Or maybe the current set of Nigerian players are average? Anyone looked at this angle

And they weren't average 4 years ago? Please shut up if you won't improve the silence bro

[fabio]

In 2014, despite qualifying the team to the world cup with ease and winning Nigeria's first world cup game in 16 years and getting past the first round for the first time since 1998, we all (rightfully) came down hard on Stephen Keshi for the perceived dodgy selection and lack of nous that saw us finish second in the group, eventually losing a winnable second round game against a France team that on paper was far superior to us.

Yes, he was owed his wages for almost a year by the NFF who were actively trying to sabotage him, and yes his focus was distracted by being given the intentionally disruptive task of handling the CHAN tournament less than four months to the world cup, but NONE OF THOSE THINGS WERE EXCUSES apparently. If he didn't like the treatment, he could have walked away and all that.

So my question is, why is it any different for Mr Gernot Rohr? He has just served up our worst world cup game performance and result since losing 1-4 to Denmark, and he has done this while starting with the obviously wrong team and setup, and waiting till the 70th minute to make his first change, saving the final change till the 88th minute. He has practically ensured that we are not going past the first round, and even more alarmingly we will probably not score a single goal or register a point throughout this tournament.

I am seeing lots of threads about individual players and their shortcomings, but I was here in 2014 and I remember clearly that the conversation was (rightfully) about Stephen Keshi and ONLY about Keshi because it is the manager that takes responsibility. Why is it different now? Why is it about Mikel's ego, wanting to play the #10 he clearly cannot, or about Ekong's mediocrity, or Shehu's lack of spatial awareness, or Victor Moses' lack of effectiveness, or Ighalo's lack of talent? Why isn't it about the coach that selected all these players and set them up to play the exact way we just saw since the England friendly?

Gernot Rohr is a clear failure who should be released from his contract immediately after our final group game, so why are you people not talking about that? Up until a few days ago, someone was still putting up a thread disparaging Stephen Keshi even after he has been dead for over 2 years, but this oyinbo has managed to serve up a worse performance than Nigeria vs Iran and nobody is going at him with anything close to the amount of rage or personal invective that they did with Keshi.

Why? Can anyone explain that?

.... And Pinnick who employed him.

unfortunately Channels TV sport analysts used to call out incompetence, but since their colleague become the SE media person all that changed. I stopped watching them.

[YemiBrazil]

Or maybe the current set of Nigerian players are average? Anyone looked at this angle

Apart from the goalkeeper, I believe the current set are better than what Amodu, Keshi, Siasia & Oliseh had to deal. Also, we now have a better FA that organized good friendlies, addressed financial issues & follow-up with our players even when we are not playing any match. No, this is not about the players. They are good enough to compete and that is obvious.

[fabio]

Or maybe the current set of Nigerian players are average? Anyone looked at this angle

There is a time to actually shut up and reason with your brain and then speak.....

The players might be average, but the coach is below average.

[cchinukw]

Amodu and Keshi, two Nigerian great coaches sent to an early grave with unpaid wages by a twisted and perverted NFF.

Oyinbo na oyinbo.

We employed a coach to take our academicals to the World Cup to shadow the stars.

Abeyuwa!!!

[Ebyboy]

I think Gernot Rohr has failed. We can do better.