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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2018 12:53 pm 
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Maybe you can explain why he is not a world class player?

A good player is reliable in matches and maintains the pace and flow of the game - A great player reliable in matches and changes the pace and flow of the game. Messi, Ronaldo, Neymar, etc are all players who can change the pace of the game with one crucial play.

A good player does what is asked. A great player does more than required - You’ve heard the stories. When Cristiano Ronaldo was rising through the ranks as a youth player, there were stories of him being caught in the weight room (in the middle of the night) working on his dribbling skills. He had weights tied to his ankles because he wanted to increase his foot speed.

A good player understands the fundamentals. A great player knows the fundamentals and is naturally talented. - Good players are technically sound in all aspects of the game (passing, dribbling, first touch, awareness, etc.). The greatest players however have all shown signs early in their development of having a creative genius. The examples are clear. Look at videos of Ronaldinho as a child or Messi as a child. Their talent was undeniable. Hard work beats talent when talent doesn’t work hard, but when talent works hard you have the recipe for a legendary player.

A good player is a part of the machine. A great player is the head of the machine. - Good players are important pieces of every line up and are often difficult to replace. They hold down and play their position well. A great player is irreplaceable and is someone who most of the play goes through. Leaving this player out of the line up will cause a noticeable change in the performance of a team. In crucial moments you often hear players and coaches yelling to give that player the ball because they have the potential to win a game.

A great player has accolades to back up their greatness. - Look at many of the players that are considered some of the all time greats: Zidane, Maradona, Pele, etc. What do they have in common? They have all won a World Cup. Being a great player often means being able to lead your team/country to championships and WIN.

Prior to coming to united, Pogba won 4 titles at Juventus, at united, Mourinho uses him in a different position than Juventus, he had to adjust his game, play messi as a defensive midfielder and be will be an average player

The world class talent has always been there for everyone to see, when Pogba does not play for united, we look ordinary, go check his assist stats, its right up there

Playing for France and especially at the knock out stage and he is a big game player and always been, he started playing his best football in the last 2 years, took out Argentina, Uruguay, Belgium and Croatia, only world class players are capable of been consistent at that level

Also he has the honours to back this up, well i dont need to write what he has won in the game

So please tell us if he is not world class, explain?

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2018 5:51 pm 
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bret- hart wrote:
10 pages and 2 threads later and still no coherent explanation as to why Pogba is a world class player. Im begining to suspect i was right all along. :lol:

What is a world class player? Please define or explain what exactly you mean by someone being a world class player?

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bret- hart wrote:
10 pages and 2 threads later and still no coherent explanation as to why Pogba is a world class player. Im begining to suspect i was right all along. :lol:

What is a world class player? Please define or explain what exactly you mean by someone being a world class player?



Pogba is a top player, with world class potential.

Having led France to the WC, albeit with some inconsistent performances, he is well on his way. He just only needs to play consistently at a high level.

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txj wrote:
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bret- hart wrote:
10 pages and 2 threads later and still no coherent explanation as to why Pogba is a world class player. Im begining to suspect i was right all along. :lol:

What is a world class player? Please define or explain what exactly you mean by someone being a world class player?



Pogba is a top player, with world class potential.

Having led France to the WC, albeit with some inconsistent performances, he is well on his way. He just only needs to play consistently at a high level.


Time and again I have tried to address this issue that is so often bandied about. What is a world class player?

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I asked 1st didn't I. Why should I answer my own question. I asked since 2015 why you all think Pogba is a world class player and all I get are deflections and excuses. I have asked you so called experts why you all think Pogba is the best or one of the best midfielders in the world and not 1 person has given me a clear coherent answer.

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bret- hart wrote:
I asked 1st didn't I. Why should I answer my own question. I asked since 2015 why you all think Pogba is a world class player and all I get are deflections and excuses. I have asked you so called experts why you all think Pogba is the best or one of the best midfielders in the world and not 1 person has given me a clear coherent answer.


Old boy how can anyone give you a proper answer until you tell us what is your definition of world class? So clearly being a key player in winning a WC while beating other classy players like Messi, Modric, Neymar etc isn’t enough to fit whatever your definition is...

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bret- hart wrote:
I asked 1st didn't I. Why should I answer my own question. I asked since 2015 why you all think Pogba is a world class player and all I get are deflections and excuses. I have asked you so called experts why you all think Pogba is the best or one of the best midfielders in the world and not 1 person has given me a clear coherent answer.


Old boy how can anyone give you a proper answer until you tell us what is your definition of world class? So clearly being a key player in winning a WC while beating other classy players like Messi, Modric, Neymar etc isn’t enough to fit whatever your definition is...



He was not key to France winning the WC. Kante and Mbappe were. Kai Nigerians can lie. :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: Against Argentina the moron was running into Cul de sacs. It was Mbappe that took the game by the scruff of the neck and destroyed the Argies all by himself. He has a WC medal. Good for him. Do you also know who has WC medals... passengers like Givach and Karembau. Pogba is in good company.

Thank God for PSG showing us once again what a overhyped overrated player he is. I guess beating scrubs from Fulham and Burnley makes one World class these days. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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bret- hart wrote:
maceo4 wrote:
bret- hart wrote:
I asked 1st didn't I. Why should I answer my own question. I asked since 2015 why you all think Pogba is a world class player and all I get are deflections and excuses. I have asked you so called experts why you all think Pogba is the best or one of the best midfielders in the world and not 1 person has given me a clear coherent answer.


Old boy how can anyone give you a proper answer until you tell us what is your definition of world class? So clearly being a key player in winning a WC while beating other classy players like Messi, Modric, Neymar etc isn’t enough to fit whatever your definition is...



He was not key to France winning the WC. Kante and Mbappe were. Kai Nigerians can lie. :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: Against Argentina the moron was running into Cul de sacs. It was Mbappe that took the game by the scruff of the neck and destroyed the Argies all by himself. He has a WC medal. Good for him. Do you also know who has WC medals... passengers like Givach and Karembau. Pogba is in good company.

Thank God for PSG showing us once again what a overhyped overrated player he is. I guess beating scrubs from Fulham and Burnley makes one World class these days. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Kante that was subbed in the final after having a terrible game? Vs Pogba that scored? You sure sey you ok?

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maceo4 wrote:
bret- hart wrote:
maceo4 wrote:
bret- hart wrote:
I asked 1st didn't I. Why should I answer my own question. I asked since 2015 why you all think Pogba is a world class player and all I get are deflections and excuses. I have asked you so called experts why you all think Pogba is the best or one of the best midfielders in the world and not 1 person has given me a clear coherent answer.


Old boy how can anyone give you a proper answer until you tell us what is your definition of world class? So clearly being a key player in winning a WC while beating other classy players like Messi, Modric, Neymar etc isn’t enough to fit whatever your definition is...



He was not key to France winning the WC. Kante and Mbappe were. Kai Nigerians can lie. :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: Against Argentina the moron was running into Cul de sacs. It was Mbappe that took the game by the scruff of the neck and destroyed the Argies all by himself. He has a WC medal. Good for him. Do you also know who has WC medals... passengers like Givach and Karembau. Pogba is in good company.

Thank God for PSG showing us once again what a overhyped overrated player he is. I guess beating scrubs from Fulham and Burnley makes one World class these days. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Kante that was subbed in the final after having a terrible game? Vs Pogba that scored? You sure sey you ok?



I should be asking you if you are ok. Who got France to that final?? Was it Pogba who was rubbish in the 1st 6 games or was it Kante and Mbappe who got France there. And even in the Final Pogba was not the MVP again it was Mbappe who terrorised the Croatians and scored a brilliant goal in the prosses. Kante had a so so game so what? The guy was the heart and soul of that French team while Pogba was a passanger. Kai Nigerians and their ability to twist and lie. Look man if Kante and Mbappe were absent from the French team, France would have been knocked out by that yeye Argentinian team. Thats how integral they were to France winning the WC.

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bret- hart wrote:
maceo4 wrote:
bret- hart wrote:
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bret- hart wrote:
I asked 1st didn't I. Why should I answer my own question. I asked since 2015 why you all think Pogba is a world class player and all I get are deflections and excuses. I have asked you so called experts why you all think Pogba is the best or one of the best midfielders in the world and not 1 person has given me a clear coherent answer.


Old boy how can anyone give you a proper answer until you tell us what is your definition of world class? So clearly being a key player in winning a WC while beating other classy players like Messi, Modric, Neymar etc isn’t enough to fit whatever your definition is...



He was not key to France winning the WC. Kante and Mbappe were. Kai Nigerians can lie. :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: Against Argentina the moron was running into Cul de sacs. It was Mbappe that took the game by the scruff of the neck and destroyed the Argies all by himself. He has a WC medal. Good for him. Do you also know who has WC medals... passengers like Givach and Karembau. Pogba is in good company.

Thank God for PSG showing us once again what a overhyped overrated player he is. I guess beating scrubs from Fulham and Burnley makes one World class these days. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Kante that was subbed in the final after having a terrible game? Vs Pogba that scored? You sure sey you ok?



I should be asking you if you are ok. Who got France to that final?? Was it Pogba who was rubbish in the 1st 6 games or was it Kante and Mbappe who got France there. And even in the Final Pogba was not the MVP again it was Mbappe who terrorised the Croatians and scored a brilliant goal in the prosses. Kante had a so so game so what? The guy was the heart and soul of that French team while Pogba was a passanger. Kai Nigerians and their ability to twist and lie. Look man if Kante and Mbappe were absent from the French team, France would have been knocked out by that yeye Argentinian team. Thats how integral they were to France winning the WC.


See how you have twisted the whole argument, you said Pogba was not a key (never said the key) to their WC win. I pointed out that Kante had a stinker in the Final and Pogba scored, so clearly he was A KEY in their WC win. All the rest of your yarns are just hot air. The way you are arguing you would think that I said Kante and Mbappe were not WC, which I clearly didn't. I'm speaking about Pogba who was a key just like Mbappe and Kante. Some slacked in some games and others picked it up, but they were A key to France's victory and contributed a lot esp with Pogba playing every game, its not like he was a bit part player, he was part and parcel of that team, even the heart of it. There were all those videos of them in the locker room and Pogba was the most vocal player pushing the team, reminding them of their objective, making sure everybody was ontop of their game, being their leader. Theres simply no reason to try to sh1t on him when it was clear he was a main part of their team and their victory!


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Pogba speech before the Argentina game: "I don't want to go home tonight. We don't go home. All together. Warriors. We are going to kill those Argentines. Messi or not, we don't give a #$%, we will win this %$#@^& World Cup."


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Pogba is world class beyound doubt! Go ask Chelsea this question about Pogba, right now, he is delivering, only a matter of time those sharks of madrid offer united 200 million! If you want to know how good he is, take him out of united line up and we look ordinary, world class players, sometimes, they dont anything on the pitch, then in a split sec, they conjure some magic, i am very happy for him, he has kept Souness, gary neville, carragher, paul ince, trevor francis quiet for 8 weeks, at this rate, they will be sacked as pundits, their TV roles is dependent on Pogba not playing well, what player in Europe is better then him at what he does best? Pls give me names

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Graeme souness is a prick! Talking about percentages, well that does not win games, not one shot on target! If not for that stupid Mourinho, united would be closer to both city and liverpool, Souness should be sacked for that TV job, total angel*

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