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camex wrote:
Ayo Akinfe wrote:
camex wrote:
Ayo Akinfe wrote:
camex wrote:
Ayo Akinfe wrote:I would feel a lot more comfortable if the following were Nigerian:

Coulibaley
Keita
Sallah
Mane
Mahrez
Niang
Aubameyang

Their emergence just makes all this talk about the NFF laughable. They all emerged without any input from their FAs, just as did Okocha, Kanu, Finidi, Taribo, Babayaro, etc.
AyoAkinfe, Success can not sustained by luck over time. How about founding an academy in Nigeria or elsewhere in Africa. This will have more impact than drawing a list of famous players, dont you think?

We actually have a lot of academies in Nigeria. However, they are simply not producing world class talent.

The likes of Uzoho, Onazi, Iheanacho, Omeruo, etc all came from academies. These academies need to extend their reach beyond the urban centres.

There are bounds to be dozens of Neymars, Hazards, Pogbas, Morics, etc in the bush. Sadly, our academies just focus on places like Lagos, Abuja, Jos, Benin, Enugu, etc.
Are we not saying the same thing? There is an urgent need for more academies.
How do we fund them?
We need to make sacrifices if we want to produce world class players.
Please provide details. What I see happening in South America is that clubs like Boca Juniors, Indipendente, Santos, Corinthians, São Paulo, etc uncover talents that then get snapped up by Barcelona, Real Madrid, Chelsea, Man City, PSG, Inter Milan, Juventus, Atletico Madrid, etc who then polish them into gems.
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Ayo Akinfe wrote: (1) This is where you fail to appreciate the true nature of the problem
Please define the true nature of the problem.

(9) As a nation, we are not wealthy enough to build sports centres in each local government area to train all these boys but we can at least scout them.
In 2017, the World Bank wrote:
Following a series of negotiations between the Federal Government of Nigeria and the Government of Switzerland, the Swiss government will restitute $321 million of funds illicitly acquired by the family of the late Former President of Nigeria General Sani Abacha.

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Originally deposited in Luxembourg, it is a fraction of the billions of dollars allegedly looted during his rule from 1993 to 1998.

The Swiss government has paid $700m of the "Abacha loot" to the Nigerian government in the last 10 years and the outstanding $320m is the last of the money on Swiss soil and will be remitted in the next two to three years, ambassador Roberto Balzaretti, head of the Swiss delegation to GFAR told BBC's Gbolahan Macjob in a telephone interview
@Ayo, but the nation not wealthy enough to build sporting complexes was rich enough for billions to be stolen in the nineties, without grinding to a complete halt. Imagine said billions, a fraction of that stolen, had been made available for investment, could it still be argued then that the nation does not have the fiscal capacity to undertake such projects?
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Ayo Akinfe wrote:
camex wrote:
Ayo Akinfe wrote:
camex wrote:
Ayo Akinfe wrote:
camex wrote:
Ayo Akinfe wrote:I would feel a lot more comfortable if the following were Nigerian:

Coulibaley
Keita
Sallah
Mane
Mahrez
Niang
Aubameyang

Their emergence just makes all this talk about the NFF laughable. They all emerged without any input from their FAs, just as did Okocha, Kanu, Finidi, Taribo, Babayaro, etc.
AyoAkinfe, Success can not sustained by luck over time. How about founding an academy in Nigeria or elsewhere in Africa. This will have more impact than drawing a list of famous players, dont you think?

We actually have a lot of academies in Nigeria. However, they are simply not producing world class talent.

The likes of Uzoho, Onazi, Iheanacho, Omeruo, etc all came from academies. These academies need to extend their reach beyond the urban centres.

There are bounds to be dozens of Neymars, Hazards, Pogbas, Morics, etc in the bush. Sadly, our academies just focus on places like Lagos, Abuja, Jos, Benin, Enugu, etc.
Are we not saying the same thing? There is an urgent need for more academies.
How do we fund them?
We need to make sacrifices if we want to produce world class players.
Please provide details. What I see happening in South America is that clubs like Boca Juniors, Indipendente, Santos, Corinthians, São Paulo, etc uncover talents that then get snapped up by Barcelona, Real Madrid, Chelsea, Man City, PSG, Inter Milan, Juventus, Atletico Madrid, etc who then polish them into gems.
I mean financial sacrifies. Some people are funding the academies in South America.
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@Camex, the money is there. Scores of Nigerian governors are buying stately manors all across the Big Smoke, not a mortgage in sight. Bags full of cash. How cannot it not be fiscally possible, when it is matter of fact, the the likes of Ibori et al are spending tens of millions playing real life Monopoly up and down London. Where are they getting the money, than Nigeria supposedly doesn't have, from?
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Coach wrote:
Ayo Akinfe wrote: (1) This is where you fail to appreciate the true nature of the problem
Please define the true nature of the problem.

(9) As a nation, we are not wealthy enough to build sports centres in each local government area to train all these boys but we can at least scout them.
In 2017, the World Bank wrote:
Following a series of negotiations between the Federal Government of Nigeria and the Government of Switzerland, the Swiss government will restitute $321 million of funds illicitly acquired by the family of the late Former President of Nigeria General Sani Abacha.

beeb.co.uk
Originally deposited in Luxembourg, it is a fraction of the billions of dollars allegedly looted during his rule from 1993 to 1998.

The Swiss government has paid $700m of the "Abacha loot" to the Nigerian government in the last 10 years and the outstanding $320m is the last of the money on Swiss soil and will be remitted in the next two to three years, ambassador Roberto Balzaretti, head of the Swiss delegation to GFAR told BBC's Gbolahan Macjob in a telephone interview
@Ayo, but the nation not wealthy enough to build sporting complexes was rich enough for billions to be stolen in the nineties, without grinding to a complete halt. Imagine said billions, a fraction of that stolen, had been made available for investment, could it still be argued then that the nation does not have the fiscal capacity to undertake such projects?

Do you know how many Nigerian states owe their civil servants up to six month salary arrears? Do you know how many pensioners have not been paid for years?
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Not because the country lacks the capacity to do so. Nigeria is not poor for lack of revenue. Abacha alone had how many millions and billions stashed away, was this all winnings from those tables that start a g up in Casino Royale or was this Nigeria’s money? What kills Nigeria just as much as the pr*cks and d*cks who unashamedly swindle their way into positions of power and use this privilege to rape and pillage the land like black skinned imperialists, is the manij am culture that accepts this bullsh*t as part and parcel of Nigeria’s existence, a dysfunctional prerequisite and seeks to steer the ship wide of the iceberg rather opening all firing holes and unloading everything on that nuisance!

Pensioners haven’t been paid their pensions, civil servants haven’t been paid their salaries and what’s being done about it? Manij am...how well manijed was Maggie Thatcher’s poll tax? Not only did social action lead to her downfall, it led to abolishment of the tax. If people are prepared to manij, it will be assumed they can manij. In the words of the Manic Street Preachers, “if you tolerate this, then your children will be next”. How many of those manijing with pensions unpaid, salaries absconding, are sons and daughters of mothers and fathers whose pensions were unpaid and salaries absconded. The solution is not to set up scouting networks just as the solution is not to send oil elsewhere for refining. Pathetic.
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Two words - Na yam?
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cchinukw wrote:Two words - Na yam?
No mind them. In the quest to raise 6 so called world class players we are now talking about Abacha. The African man’s problem is that he sees the past clearer than the future so he tries to rearrange the past. That’s is why the 6 world class players as well as food, water and light continues to be a pipe dream.
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EMIR KONGI JAFFI JOFFA wrote:
cchinukw wrote:Two words - Na yam?
No mind them. In the quest to raise 6 so called world class players we are now talking about Abacha. The African man’s problem is that he sees the past clearer than the future so he tries to rearrange the past. That’s is why the 6 world class players as well as food, water and light continues to be a pipe dream.
Confucius said: “Think of tomorrow. The past can’t be mended.”
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@Emir, agreed, what has been, has gone. The references were more to correct a misconception of Nigerian poverty making a concerted effort at advancement in this industry, unfeasible. There is cash in the cow only the buckets beneath the udders seldom spill their milk in the glasses of the population. Yes, academies, sporting complexes and centres of excellence can be established in Nigeria. The future needn’t be a backpacking European with a heavily stamped passport, searching far and wide for unheralded talent in diaspora. Why not a plan to revolutionise the NPL, restructure the grassroot setting, investment in infrastructure, stadia and broadcasting to take the game beyond its mediocre standing now. Can the successes of the MLS, which was expected to die many years back, be case studied. What structural changes can be made to the NPL to further its appeal?

Football is the life and soul of so many in Nigeria, the national sport and one maintains, with a degree of conviction, Nigeria could be so much more than it is. The answer is not always without and more often within. Is it inconceivable that Nigeria could set about a similar plan to the English, one that culminated in St George’s Park, a 4th placed finish at the Mundial and a number of World Cup winners medals at age grade level? It’s not beyond Nigeria. This oil doesn’t need refining elsewhere and importing, do it on home soil.
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Coach wrote:@Emir, agreed, what has been, has gone. The references were more to correct a misconception of Nigerian poverty making a concerted effort at advancement in this industry, unfeasible. There is cash in the cow only the buckets beneath the udders seldom spill their milk in the glasses of the population. Yes, academies, sporting complexes and centres of excellence can be established in Nigeria. The future needn’t be a backpacking European with a heavily stamped passport, searching far and wide for unheralded talent in diaspora. Why not a plan to revolutionise the NPL, restructure the grassroot setting, investment in infrastructure, stadia and broadcasting to take the game beyond its mediocre standing now. Can the successes of the MLS, which was expected to die many years back, be case studied. What structural changes can be made to the NPL to further its appeal?

Football is the life and soul of so many in Nigeria, the national sport and one maintains, with a degree of conviction, Nigeria could be so much more than it is. The answer is not always without and more often within. Is it inconceivable that Nigeria could set about a similar plan to the English, one that culminated in St George’s Park, a 4th placed finish at the Mundial and a number of World Cup winners medals at age grade level? It’s not beyond Nigeria. This oil doesn’t need refining elsewhere and importing, do it on home soil.
Sounds reasonable and progressive but I don't think It'll survive the destructive nature of Nigeria. We need a much simpler version .
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Coach wrote:@Emir, agreed, what has been, has gone. The references were more to correct a misconception of Nigerian poverty making a concerted effort at advancement in this industry, unfeasible. There is cash in the cow only the buckets beneath the udders seldom spill their milk in the glasses of the population. Yes, academies, sporting complexes and centres of excellence can be established in Nigeria. The future needn’t be a backpacking European with a heavily stamped passport, searching far and wide for unheralded talent in diaspora. Why not a plan to revolutionise the NPL, restructure the grassroot setting, investment in infrastructure, stadia and broadcasting to take the game beyond its mediocre standing now. Can the successes of the MLS, which was expected to die many years back, be case studied. What structural changes can be made to the NPL to further its appeal?

Football is the life and soul of so many in Nigeria, the national sport and one maintains, with a degree of conviction, Nigeria could be so much more than it is. The answer is not always without and more often within. Is it inconceivable that Nigeria could set about a similar plan to the English, one that culminated in St George’s Park, a 4th placed finish at the Mundial and a number of World Cup winners medals at age grade level? It’s not beyond Nigeria. This oil doesn’t need refining elsewhere and importing, do it on home soil.
I agree. One can not rely on other countries, training your people, for you to select them to your national team. btw this applies to Cameroon too.
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If the demand is six world class players, the cake won't bake itself. The ingredients must be placed in the mixing bowl with enough vanilla essence to have the cake mix worthy of a dipped finger taste test. The EPL is one of the largest sporting businesses in the world, does the NPFL have any strategic support for its business model from those bigger businesses? Rather than simply sending the calf to market, why not ask the farmer how to grow the calf to a herd. Of course when the wave arrives, many will heed its call and head for lands beyond, but what difference could've been made by these players completing a program within the domestic league. Imagine a Nwakali gives a season or two to the NPFL. Since signing for Arsenal, how many games has he played? Not even a Carabao Cup run out. Countless loans to lesser leagues have provided his curriculum, the question then has to be surely, can Nigeria not provide a comparative curriculum to Maastricht and Venlo, to that great redbrick institution, Porto B, home to the game's great alumni.

According to certain sources (Goal) revealed last week that a £250,000 (€300,000) transfer fee has been agreed for Iheanacho, with a further £300,000 (€360,000) being paid to the Taye Academy in Owerri and £350,000 (€420,000) to the youngster’s father. The return on an £850K investment, 8 league goals, third highest goal scorer and a £25m transfer-fee within 48 months of arrival. The numbers may be slightly off, but this is ridiculous. The system needs to be reviewed and refurbished to make sure Nigeria gets a better deal.

Draft systems, sell-on agreements between clubs and academies, loan back deals etc etc. Pie in the sky maybe, but better to wave the spoon in the air and see what becomes of it, than scrape away at an empty plate. There needs to be an overhaul, the talent is there, so the academies are doing something right, but with a better strategy and system in place, could they not be bigger, better, have greater output and be somehow entwined to the domestic league. A graduation system perhaps?

Six world class players, then start building the roads and bridges towards this destination. All roads should lead to or atleast through the NPFL.
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Admittedly, one knows little about the Nigerian domestic league and that known, is born of Enugu II's posts and the odd google search. But one needn't be a custodian of all knowledge about the Nigerian domestic scene to know where advancement can be achieved. The examples decorate the globe, the MLS, J League, Chinese football revolution, the ISL, are all movements to build the brand. Nigeria can look at the systems and strategies used by others, perhaps with the knowledge that their raw material is of a greater quality.

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