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 Post subject: 2020 Olympics
PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 8:21 pm 
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How many guys in the current world cup squad are eligible and who would be your 3 overage players?

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 Post subject: Re: 2020 Olympics
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fed up doing the under age stuff. just use u20 boys to get more experience and increase pool of selection for eagles


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 Post subject: Re: 2020 Olympics
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 Post subject: Re: 2020 Olympics
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fed up doing the under age stuff. just use u20 boys to get more experience and increase pool of selection for eagles


To me that is what Nigeria should do. Getting guys released, if they are playing regularly for their clubs, is a hassle any way. Recently, I do not believe Nigeria has even used all the slots for overage players and it hasn't made much difference.

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 Post subject: Re: 2020 Olympics
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Uzoho, Nwakili, Iheanacho, Awoniyi, Ndidi, Onyekuru, Chukwuze, Orji Okonkwo, Osimhen

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 Post subject: Re: 2020 Olympics
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Olympics is a tradition for us and we must keep that tradition going. Infact, there is a likelihood that our only medal might come from the football event. We need all our best players selected


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 Post subject: Re: 2020 Olympics
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Olympics is a tradition for us and we must keep that tradition going. Infact, there is a likelihood that our only medal might come from the football event. We need all our best players selected




What about other sports ?

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 Post subject: Re: 2020 Olympics
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Musa should be captain! :thumbs:

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 Post subject: Re: 2020 Olympics
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 Post subject: Re: 2020 Olympics
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Uzoho, Nwakili, Iheanacho, Awoniyi, Ndidi, Onyekuru, Chukwuze, Orji Okonkwo, Osimhen
I have a sneaky feeling Nigerians are beginning to lose faith in Nacho. He really needs to step up.

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 Post subject: Re: 2020 Olympics
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walesvilla wrote:
fed up doing the under age stuff. just use u20 boys to get more experience and increase pool of selection for eagles

You have the U19- World Cups And Afcons for that,the Olympic team should be about players on the verge of maturity,the NFF doesn’t own an academy so these tournaments need to be utilised properly before the next major tournament.Nigeria are not going to select too many U20s at senior level as they tend to wait for European clubs to buy/loan them first.

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 Post subject: Re: 2020 Olympics
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ohenhen1 wrote:
Uzoho, Nwakili, Iheanacho, Awoniyi, Ndidi, Onyekuru, Chukwuze, Orji Okonkwo, Osimhen
I have a sneaky feeling Nigerians are beginning to lose faith in Nacho. He really needs to step up.
All he talks about work hard but nothing to show he is serious about his profession. He is always jesting around . It is become very apparent why he jettisoned by Guardiola like a hot potato. He turned out to be the disappointment of the decade.
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 Post subject: Re: 2020 Olympics
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This is the biggest tournament prior to the World Cup and as such should be used by Nigeria to prepare for 2022. There are very few opportunities for African teams to confront international opposition at this level, so Olympics need to be a training ground.

If we qualify Nwakali needs to be the key player, so that by 2022 he can step into the shoes of Mikel.


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 Post subject: Re: 2020 Olympics
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No overaged players.

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 Post subject: Re: 2020 Olympics
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Damunk wrote:
ohenhen1 wrote:
Uzoho, Nwakili, Iheanacho, Awoniyi, Ndidi, Onyekuru, Chukwuze, Orji Okonkwo, Osimhen
I have a sneaky feeling Nigerians are beginning to lose faith in Nacho. He really needs to step up.

The boy is not as complete as a footballer as Nigerians hyped him. His main asset is scoring , take that away he is barely left with anything else. The worrying thing is as he grows up and his career develops this will come to the fore unless he can improve on those attributes.

Two things i worry about when i watch him play

1. His running style, you cannot sustain that posture and run in different direction. So you see him charge in one direction but struggles when he needs to suddenly change direction.

2. Secondly his fluidity, which is part of his posture, he looks rigid sometimes, this might have to do with the fact that he relies so much on his left leg, and i suspect even for balancing. So he controls the ball with it and tries to keep his balance also with the same leg, make him look cumbersome for someone who is not that big. Can you imagine a Kelechi with ball at his feet and dribbles through the slalom or does the slalom dribble, i struggle to see that, he runs straight or simply turns back.

But like i keep saying he remains a very deadly striker of the ball, one of the very best , yes even in comparison to the so called World Class players, it is those defects i mentioned that remains a hindrance.
I know there are trainers who work on athletes to correct the two issues i mentioned earlier. I don't know if they can change it for him though but i hope they can, because such potency should be able to come to the fore.

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 Post subject: Re: 2020 Olympics
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What about Kalu?

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Uzoho, Nwakili, Iheanacho, Awoniyi, Ndidi, Onyekuru, Chukwuze, Orji Okonkwo, Osimhen


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 Post subject: Re: 2020 Olympics
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Rohr should handle the 'young' team so that they can learn

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 Post subject: Re: 2020 Olympics
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If Nacho was born 20 years earlier, he would be at a Champions League club. The trouble is that players like him ("fox in the box" goal poachers) are an endangered species in the modern game. Cold eyed finishers like Van Persie, Lineker, Van Nisteelrooy, Fowler, Inzaghi, etc who do little except score are increasingly viewed as a luxury in modern football. It is hard to accommodate players like that in modern formations where only one of the 11 players is a striker. Most strikers nowadays are target men that can hold up the ball and score (Lukaku, Giroud, Benzema, Cavani) or perpetual motion all rounders who tire opposition defences with constant movement and pressing (Vardy, Suarez, Rooney in his prime, Jesus, Firmino).

Nacho needs to adapt his game to the times.

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The boy is not as complete as a footballer as Nigerians hyped him. His main asset is scoring , take that away he is barely left with anything else. The worrying thing is as he grows up and his career develops this will come to the fore unless he can improve on those attributes.

Two things i worry about when i watch him play

1. His running style, you cannot sustain that posture and run in different direction. So you see him charge in one direction but struggles when he needs to suddenly change direction.

2. Secondly his fluidity, which is part of his posture, he looks rigid sometimes, this might have to do with the fact that he relies so much on his left leg, and i suspect even for balancing. So he controls the ball with it and tries to keep his balance also with the same leg, make him look cumbersome for someone who is not that big. Can you imagine a Kelechi with ball at his feet and dribbles through the slalom or does the slalom dribble, i struggle to see that, he runs straight or simply turns back.

But like i keep saying he remains a very deadly striker of the ball, one of the very best , yes even in comparison to the so called World Class players, it is those defects i mentioned that remains a hindrance.
I know there are trainers who work on athletes to correct the two issues i mentioned earlier. I don't know if they can change it for him though but i hope they can, because such potency should be able to come to the fore.


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 Post subject: Re: 2020 Olympics
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You guys are busy dropping names without any considerations for their clubs who probably won’t let them go anywhere :!:


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 Post subject: Re: 2020 Olympics
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TonyTheTigerKiller wrote:
You guys are busy dropping names without any considerations for their clubs who probably won’t let them go anywhere :!:


Cheers.

List the potential players first then we take it from there

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 Post subject: Re: 2020 Olympics
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Which Olympics are you all talking about?
With the current situation (i.e Pinnick vs. Giwa), Nigeria is about to be banned and will miss the qualifiers.
There will likely be no Olympic football for Nigeria in 2020.

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 Post subject: Re: 2020 Olympics
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walesvilla wrote:
fed up doing the under age stuff. just use u20 boys to get more experience and increase pool of selection for eagles
Kpom.
The Nigerian football fan's expectations are now way above getting excited about Olympic gold or U17 WC victories.
We want the real thing.

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 Post subject: Re: 2020 Olympics
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If Nacho was born 20 years earlier, he would be at a Champions League club. The trouble is that players like him ("fox in the box" goal poachers) are an endangered species in the modern game. Cold eyed finishers like Van Persie, Lineker, Van Nisteelrooy, Fowler, Inzaghi, etc who do little except score are increasingly viewed as a luxury in modern football. It is hard to accommodate players like that in modern formations where only one of the 11 players is a striker. Most strikers nowadays are target men that can hold up the ball and score (Lukaku, Giroud, Benzema, Cavani) or perpetual motion all rounders who tire opposition defences with constant movement and pressing (Vardy, Suarez, Rooney in his prime, Jesus, Firmino).

Nacho needs to adapt his game to the times.
Wiseone, to be honest, I am not sure I would even classify Nacho as a "fox in the box". He might have briefly given that impression at Man City, but it is quite possible he was on a 'purple patch' which as we all know does not last forever.

In his developmental phase (U17 level) he was more of a forward playmaker and was scoring from outside the box. But one particular aspect of his game that was pure class was his ability to pick out his man, setting them up for the easy goal. in short, his assists were central to the success of that team.

He has a pretty deadly left foot but takes too long to set himself up - time the modern game does not allow. As Oloye suggested, maybe the lad needs postural lessons to help him optimize his balance and one-footedness. I remember back in the day, the phenomenally successful Ajax Academy used to have mandatory dance classes for their youth players to help with posture and balance. Kanu, Babangida and Finidi George probably all benefited from those classes.

It might seem silly to many, but I can see how this would help many players who are just not comfortable when they find their bodies in unusual positions and can't do what they want to do until they are able to adjust their bodies. Its all about coordination. In scientific terms it is called 'proprioception', and it is probably a little more developed in some more than others.
Oga JJ is a great example. I believe that skills aside, he had an amazing sense of spatial awareness and body coordination that allowed him to do many of the special things he did with the ball.

This is why many believe that more knowledge and lateral thinking has to be applied to our football development. People like Oloye - thinkers, but with practical, first-hand experience of the game at the top level - need to be part of the Nigeria football policy-making body.

Moreover, the fans themselves have to be educated on the off-field management of the game and it's players. I can only imagine how Nigerians would react the moment they discover that the NFF is paying money to Kaffi (Nigeria's foremost dance practitioner) to take the Golden Eaglets on two or three dance classes a week.

That NFF is 'dead' from that point on. :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:

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